Mexico president cancels Trump summit as wall jibe deepens spat

originally posted by: InTheLight
Why isn't The Donald working with the Mexican President?

Let me rephrase. Why isn't Donald John working with Mexico as he is with every other country?

originally posted by: InTheLight
Why isn't The Donald working with the Mexican President?

Because there's no nuance to Trump, he's basically got one tactic which he uses over and over. If he's challenging them, he belittles them, then once a deal is made he calls them (and the deal) great, and puts as much praise as possible on it.

Since he's currently trying to get a deal with Mexico, he's going to try to get public pressure behind him by demonizing them.

For a fraction of the cost of a wall, a significant increase in the number of CBP Agents placed along the border would produce REAL results at a finite cost that does not punish American consumers.

Tariffs are taxes paid by the consumer.

A 20% Tariff on all products imported from Mexico would mean that AMERICAN CONSUMERS, not "Mexico" would be "paying America back for the wall".

So, American taxpayers will pay for the wall up front ($10-15 Billion) assuming Congress votes to allocate the funds needed to build it.

Following that, the American taxpayers will continually pay via a 20% cost increase on the $295 Billion per year that America imports from Mexico. ($60 Billion per annum)

a reply to: Leonidas

I hear tell it's a 'border adjustment' which is a bit different than a tariff.
At this point I'm confused so don't ask me anything lol.
Border adjustment

Even if Trump finds a tool that works and brings in more money than it costs, then what? The wall will still be payed for with tax money, by the people. Consider the opportunity cost: you can implement the border adjustment, tariff or whatever without building the wall. They have nothing to do with each other. If it's beneficial for the US to have this border adjustment then it should be in effect regardless of any walls being built or not. And the wall will cost the same, regardless of any border adjustments.

It's smoke and mirrors, posturing. The administration just has to go through with this charade or risk dividing Trump's supporters into pro-wall and anti-wall camps.

originally posted by: InTheLight
Why isn't The Donald working with the Mexican President?

What do you want him to do? Everything the last five Presidents have done? We all know theres a big problem here and its unsustainable

originally posted by: Cutepants
Even if Trump finds a tool that works and brings in more money than it costs, then what? The wall will still be payed for with tax money, by the people. Consider the opportunity cost: you can implement the border adjustment, tariff or whatever without building the wall. They have nothing to do with each other. If it's beneficial for the US to have this border adjustment then it should be in effect regardless of any walls being built or not. And the wall will cost the same, regardless of any border adjustments.

It's smoke and mirrors, posturing. The administration just has to go through with this charade or risk dividing Trump's supporters into pro-wall and anti-wall camps.

If there's anything we learned this election cycle its not to underestimate Trumpc

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I couldn't agree more with that. I don't approve of all of his policies but he is formidable. And I agree with him about some things. Still, I stand by my last post: what do the Americans have to gain from this? What is the gain?

originally posted by: muse7
Do we really want to have a hostile nation on our southern border?

Does it matter how they feel? We can kick sand in their face with impunity.

Where I actually stand on this:

I do not support a wall. I think its a boondoggle and meant to be nothing more than a stage show for Trump to appeal to his base (who threatened revolt over this single, inconsequential issue). My wife, who is hispanic, disagrees and wants to see the wall, for whatever that is worth.

I think we would be much better served working with Mexico to create another sister nation on our border. Canada is vastly different in details to the US....but is still akin to being our sister across the border. I think of Canadians as being close enough to American that I listen intently to their concerns about our nation. They may not have a say...but they have a stake.

And so does Mexico.

If Trump wants to improve border security, step 1 is gutting the CIA and DEA, reassigning responsibilities as needed for operational coverage. If we are employing noninterventionist strategies, now is the time to act on the CIA (and NSA, but they aren't related to mexico in this). This will cut the legs out from under the US support for illicit trade in Mexico.

We should then provide logistical support to help Mexico reclaim its nation.

We would spend less money than a wall, strengthen trade within this hemisphere, strengthen security significantly, and its the right thing to do.

If Mexico wants us to just butt out, thats cool too. Its their nation, and they are sovereign.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Gee I did not think ill- legals were covered under the affordable care act? Due you not need to a citizen in order to be on the govern tit?

a reply to: Miracula2

Yes that is what bullies do!

That is going to be how Trump deals with foreign policey is by bullying.

a reply to: SmilingROB

Citizenship is so easy to forge. Until the everify system is integrated across the board, itll continue to be easy to fudge. Especially when people at the point of data entry are sympathetic to the cause.

originally posted by: Leonidas
For a fraction of the cost of a wall, a significant increase in the number of CBP Agents placed along the border would produce REAL results at a finite cost that does not punish American consumers.

Tariffs are taxes paid by the consumer.

A 20% Tariff on all products imported from Mexico would mean that AMERICAN CONSUMERS, not "Mexico" would be "paying America back for the wall".

So, American taxpayers will pay for the wall up front ($10-15 Billion) assuming Congress votes to allocate the funds needed to build it.

Following that, the American taxpayers will continually pay via a 20% cost increase on the $295 Billion per year that America imports from Mexico. ($60 Billion per annum)

People on the Left have no problem demanding that taxpayers fund abortions abroad(women's march led by the likes of Madonna, Ashley Judd, and women who are pushing Sharia Law), or Syrian refugees or F35 fighter jets but say we cannot afford to build the wall.... typical....

originally posted by: SmilingROB
a reply to: Miracula2

Yes that is what bullies do!

That is going to be how Trump deals with foreign policey is by bullying.

Theres a difference between bullying and the Art of War. President Trump understands that Mexico has been using America to give its untouchables jobs and bring income back to Mexico. Its a fact. Mexico has plenty of jobs in agriculture, gold mining, oil, and construction, but they pay less than in America. Mexico has printed pamphlets on how to cross the desert without dying. Its time for a reality check and some push back.... about freaking time actually.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I think we would be much better served working with Mexico to create another sister nation on our border. Canada is vastly different in details to the US....but is still akin to being our sister across the border. I think of Canadians as being close enough to American that I listen intently to their concerns about our nation. They may not have a say...but they have a stake.

ok first, it needs to be known that the CIA has been drug running since Viet Nam. Why make it easier? Do you think they are going to suddenly stop on the whim of a real Patriot President? Just like the Iran/Contra deal they wont inform the President.
Second, as I have already stated, Mexico's type of friendship is why millions come to America but millions of Americans don't run to Mexico..... Mexico loves sending its poor to America to work for a pittance under the table and send billions back home....its a fact. Its also a fact that there are jobs in Mexico. I researched it years ago. We have a trade deficit with Mexico just like we do with China. Mexico is taking advantage. Time to shut it down whatever it takes. Why do certain groups of people insist that we should pay the price for whatever agendas they have but on this suddenly its too expensive and we have to be nicey nice?????????

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I couldn't agree more with that. I don't approve of all of his policies but he is formidable. And I agree with him about some things. Still, I stand by my last post: what do the Americans have to gain from this? What is the gain?

more jobs and less crime. I just read that around 35% of serious crime in the US is from illegals. Sorry I didn't make that up. We just cannot absorb as many people as are pouring over the southern border. Its unsustainable and something has to be done. Work visas can be gotten and I know that they will overstay their visas once they get here but at least its a paper trail. Giving them citizenship after they first broke our law by entering illegally is at the very least a slap in the face regarding the rule of law and the principle of it.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I am a regular reader of Narcosphere, and am very familiar with how the CIA has run drugs, then used the DEA to build the Sinaloa to create the land bypass that fixed exposure from the Mayan Jaguar fiasco.

Im a proponent of disbanding the CIA, and moving their operations into the military (DIA). We don't need civilian intelligence, we need military intelligence. Thats my opinion.

I also think that all federal law enforcement (BATF, DEA, FBI) need to be disbanded, with budget and function flowing through US Marshalls.

DHS needs removal entirely. Its a military function, not a civilian one.

If the factions in the CIA and DEA want to continue their operations, they'll have to do so without the immense power of the US government behind them.

Its these rogue agencies that have misappropriated our government and our world. The dogs need to either be on the leash, or put down.

Mexico gonna go up in flames, a leader with a 12 % approval rating gonna get a lot of people hurt trying to hang onto his power and line his pockets.