Here is What happens inside a Mosque

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Always look forward to you weighing in on these issues.

I'd like to ask if anything is actively done within the Muslim community to rid this behavior? I ask because, you know, you speak for all Muslims!

It's the stories like this that shut minds down and stifle conversation. Conversation that needs to be had.

But I've already spoken many times on the programs that Muslim communities have with law enforcement and our local govts. I've gone into detail on how my Dad's an Imam where he lives, and how he & his associates have a working dialogue with their local law enforcement, local govt, the college where he teaches, and even federal agencies like the FBI. They helped when his mosque was vandalized, when he and others received death threats, and much more (like providing security during Eid festivals).

Though if you really want to know, start with a google search for programs like the FBI's "shared responsibility" programs (like this). For better or for worse, the FBI has been deeply involved in African American Muslim communities since at least the Nation of Islam and the Civil Rights Movement.

The reason so many lone wolf terrorists are already known to law enforcement is because they've already been alerted by their communities. So law enforcement (local and/or federal) will typically investigate them and try to get close to the person. If nothing is found, they'll typically just keep an eye on the person.

Yes you have. Perhaps it wasn't solely for my benefit.

originally posted by: CHONGO
Lets quit all the bollocks This is a trojan horse. They are going to take over and your will have to be a religitard just like them or they will kill you, rape your wives, daughters, sisters, mothers and grandmothers.

All of they? Define they please.

a reply to: CHONGO

Blah blah blah. Muslims have been here since the US was founded. In fact, the African and Muslim Kingdom of Morocco was the first country to recognize the US's independence. Your fearmongering isn't even believable.

And statistically speaking, if anyone's going to "rape your wives, daughters, sisters, mothers and grandmothers", it'll be people from the same demographic as those women. The vast majority of rape victims are assaulted by someone they know, like a family member, former love interest, friend, classmate, etc. And seeing as non-Muslims make up roughly 99% of Americans, it's not that hard to figure out who's actually raping people here.

Then again, I've come to realize that most people here don't actually care about facts like those. You just want a scapegoat so you won't have to admit that it's your own demographics that are causing the misery in your own lives.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I will wholeheartedly agree that muslims have never caused me personally a problem. When I was in the Marines, a muslim taught me music theory with guitar diagrams.

However, muslims are killing Christians every single day - just because they are Christ's.

Glad they get to claim Heaven, but horrid for those awaiting and for those who are murdering in the name of Allah.

Islam is not peaceful. Lots of muslims are UNAWARE because they are like my other enemy - self-proclaimed Christians without any real knowledge of the Bible - and my other enemy, those who believe in science and yet don't lift a finger to actually learn; but they'll all scream their opinions from the rooftops to be heard.

You think you're educated, but you ignore basic principles, like so many.

I believe that a good muslim is a future convert to Christ.

But, well said, anyway. Self-proclaimed Christians have caused me personally a thousand times more grief than any muslim.

That's because I live in the U.S.A., though.

Other countries have to face much more terrorism from those same parties - but at least it's so apparent that someone might have someone else to turn to. The ignorance in this culture causes me much pain in human contact.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

First of all, take a step back and see the bigger picture.

You might have a totally different view due to living in the US, Europe is quite different, the dominant flavor of islam here is like you can see in the video in the OP.
This kind of filth has been spread for 20 years now or longer.
It has and is taking it's toll on our society, In the Netherlands, UK, Germany, Sweden, Belgium, France, austria, everywhere.
Even after all the attacks and hundreds of deaths, nothing is being done against hatespeech in mosques and islamic schools.
Hence it should not be a surprise that right wing parties are becoming quite popular, that is a real danger looming due to the unwillingness and political correctness of current governments within the EU and of course the EU itself.

Like the "collateral damage" from the constant drone strikes & military interventions by non-Muslim countries? Oh, those kids don't count now?

It seems not to matter for IS, ISIS, Taliban, Al qaida, Al nusra, palestinians and so on.
Well, they make good characters for pallywood and of course they can be kid soldiers or commit a suicide attack.
Girls too if they are young, older girls are simply enslaved, just like Kayla Mueller was, yes the American girl who went to help Syrian refugees.

In Pakistan they simply invaded a school and left a trail of death and destruction until they were shot.

Have you seen how protesters are simply shot dead in the gulf states? lives in islam seems to mean nothing.
Boko Haram also aimed schools because education is haram, in palestina, hamas hides in public places and in schools.

Maybe you forgat that the west is fighting against those groups, not just intervening military for its pleasure.
Maybe you forgat about the yazidi people that were saved from the mountain after IS invaded Iraq, all the people that are fried due to western and also Russian intervention.
Quite nice to see Syrian woman burn those burka's!

Such hypocrites. When Muslims spread out and move to your areas, you panic and want us out. When Muslims congregate with other Muslims & stay to ourselves, you panic and want us out. Like I said earlier, damned if we do and damned if we don't.

You know, we have been tolerant to the bone, there are many mosques, islamic schools, halal food in stores, islamic stores, we have freedom of religion so they are free to believe in islam.

What did we get in return, crimes, rapes, disrespect for our western norms and values, segregation, no go zones, worst of all the terror attacks.

These are not muslims with other muslims & stay to ourselves, this is a stance from a group against the west, against it's people and what it stands for.

That is where the anger comes from and it is rapidly reaching a boilingpoint.
Moreover, we have been tolerant, we are tolerant, but we also have to face the facts.
There is a growing group which are downright aggresive towards the west despite being born and raised in the west.
Hence many thousands have traveled to Syria to fight for IS.
The mayor of Rotterdam is muslim, he is quite outspoken against this group that so thoroughly damaged the image of islam and muslims.

Let me guess, a final solution? Living space? A hunger plan?

A line must be drawn, the indoctrination and hate speech must be stopped.
Everyone is welcome, but participate and respect our norms and values, if not, please go elsewhere where you can live like you want.
Simply take a stance against this growing group, having a back bone.

a reply to: TarzanBeta

It's kind of hard to reply to your post because it seems like you're both arguing for and against the same things while simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing with me.

Why not just agree that people in general are good, bad, or somewhere in between? Because that's the real truth here, regardless of the religion, culture, ethnicity, nationality, social class, gender, sexual preference, caste, or ideology. If the media reported the religion/beliefs of every criminal or suspected criminal, people would clearly see that it's the majority demographics that are the actual threats. That's a global truth and it's true for every single country on the planet.

If Muslims as a whole are blamed for the actions of violent or criminal Muslims, then shouldn't Christians as a whole be blamed for the same things? If not, why the double standard? And if Muslims as a whole are blamed for the wars that are waged by Muslim-majority militaries, mercenaries, and paramilitaries, shouldn't Christians as a whole also be blamed for the wars waged by Christian-majority militaries, mercenaries, and paramilitaries? If not, why the double standard? I'll tell you why I think this is so.

The majority of our citizens, politicians, bureaucrats, defense contractors, MIC leaders, top military brass, common soldiers, and intelligence community are self proclaimed Christians. But somehow, the wars we wage and the hundreds of thousands to millions of casualties we cause aren't reflective of Christianity or blamed on Christians. Why? Because we recognize that money, power, geopolitics, contracts, regional influence, bigotry, and much more are the real reason for our wars, regardless of the pretexts that are sold to the public.

But people here act as if this is exclusive to the West! They act as if the citizens, politicians, bureaucrats, defense contractors, MIC leaders, top military brass, common soldiers, and intelligence communities in Muslim-majority countries aren't also warring over money, power, geopolitics, contracts, regional influence, bigotry, etc. And just as many of the self-proclaimed Christians focus on their religious prejudices while ignoring the real reasons for the actions in Muslim majority countries, many of the self-proclaimed Muslims in those countries ignore the real reasons for Western actions and focus strictly the religious affiliations of the Western people who are fighting them.

It's baffling and disappointing that so many otherwise intelligent people can overlook such obvious stuff. Fake conspiracy theorists that blindly believe the official stories when they fit their own prejudices! And even worse, many people here will even point out the false flags, suspicious "coincidences", and even the actual instances of our own govts backing the "evil" groups while ignoring or attacking the "innocent" people. But they still go along with the prejudices anyway! I seriously don't get that. Are they scared of being rejected for speaking up or what?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

If you had paid attention to one line, that would unlock the code of my message for you:

I believe the good muslim is a future convert to Christ.

Read my post through that lens with some consideration and I think you'll understand my stance better.

The only other thing to agree with you on that I saw there is that people are responsible for their actions. But some people act in complete ignorance.

a reply to: eletheia

They turned their old place into a #hole..and in some case the U.S. government helped greatly to make it a #hole.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: eletheia

Islam, like practically every other religion, is a religion of conquest. It always has been. It was Muhammad who conquered Arabia by the sword, and Abu Bakr who expanded the first Caliphate. By the reign of Caliph Uthman the Islamic Empire stretched from Pakistan in the East to Tunisia in the West, from Yemen in the South to Azerbaijan in the North. Not bad for something that started in a cave near Mecca.

Like all religions Islam has a number of different teachings today, but Saudi Arabia funds extremist mosques that keep this dream of a worldwide Caliphate, established by conquest, either by external invasion or internal subversion, alive and well. The Western World would be well advised to take action against any Mosque with connections to the reigning Saud dynasty.

There is a major religion in this world that many claim to be members of but seldom follow, it is NOT a religion of Conquest but does believe that it's God owns the earth but that his enemy is in possession of it unlawfully so he will come and take it back.

It is a religion whose devotee's are told to bless there enemy's and to turn the other cheek to those that slap them, to not avenge because vengeance belongs to God - there God and to forgive all wrongs done to them as He will keep a tally of those crime's and decide regardless of how they feel about it but will be more likely to forgive them any failing's if they forgive other's there's.

But along came a soldier, a general whom wanted to rule an entire empire but by this time a new religion only a few century's old had swept through that empire as people had turned away from corrupt established religion to the social gathering's and fellowship, shared burden and friendliness of this new religion, they had turned away from the empty idols, self serving professional priests and money grabbing temples which had been so finely meshed with the old empire but sadly all that apparatus of public control and state management was indispensable to this new emperor and so it under him then got moved over and found a place inside this newer and innocent religion which he adopted as a state religion (or rather adapted and changed to suit that purpose).

IT greatest commandment was Love (obey) God (as it shows him) above all else and it's second greatest command is Love those around you even your enemy's as you love yourself (treat them as you would that they treat you).
It also teaches (factual) that woman and men are the same value in the sight of God and that in the Next life we become as the angel's whom serve god, spiritual being's and that God is a spirit (celestial body's).

Yes I am talking about Christianity and Constantine, Christianity at it's core is definitely a religion of peace but it is a religion of war in that it causes those that disagree with it to act violently to try to suppress it.

Islam on the other hand has always been and was born as a religion of conquest, intolerance and war, it claim's to follow the same God but is diametrically opposed in so many of it's point's was founded by a man whose own hand's were stained by the blood of other's.

Basically it teaches all the world belongs to it's followers, were they put there foot belongs to them if they are the first Muslims to step there and any and all other people that are not members of it are to be enslaved and are not even human, woman are less than men, there afterlife if they are good is a garden with young nubile virgin's (Hang on didn't his dick drop off when he died?) and they drink wine and are merry (alcohol is forbidden to them on earth you would be surprised how much strong spirit get's to Arabia on container ship's every year), there leader as well as slandering Jesus also married a child of six (later version of there Koran INTERPRET it as nine like that is somehow ok then nine is still a child), he also tried to claim to be the Messiah and got rejected by the Jewish elders and also wiped out several Jewish tribe's in western Arabia killing all there men and giving there woman as sex slave's to his follower's, He promised his followers that the Persian woman would lay on there back's with there leg's parted for them to rape freely.

There is no comparison.

My point being Christianity is not a religion OF conquest, it is a religion that has been used as a Tool of conquest but very few if any of those that did so were actually in any way genuinely Christian.
Islam is a religion of War and Conquest, it's peace can only be found by forcing all other's to comply to it's code's and even then the age old strife between the Sunni and the Shia as well as several other much smaller sect's show's that human disagreement's in on that point ensure war and violence will continue in perpetuity.

Get fricken real. Have you actually put the Bible down long enough to read the real story behind Christianity and the horrible things they did? Obviously not.

Denny

a reply to: DaCook

You clearly don't understand the full history of Christianity - and you definitely haven't read how the pagans transformed a kind of fake Christianity for themselves to rule with.

You are blaming a pagan religion which has blasphemed by taking the same name.

Now pick up more real history books and articles and also the Bible so you can have a foundation for your speech.

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ketsuko
When the evangelicals start beheading people and strapping on suicide vests on a regular basis to go blow people up for the cardinal sin of not also being evangelical ... we can start making that comparison.

Until then, the closest you can come is deeds done by those long dead and in the past.

And if the best you can do is come up with being critical of how others live ... well there is plenty of that to go around. Your own post was a perfect example of an atheist (?) being critical of Christians in similar fashion to anything evnagelials do.

Should we equate you to the hate taught in Muslim madrassas?

Spot on... well said..Christians as a rule are taught to pray for unbelievers .. not blow them up... and Christ's teachings were " love your enemy and pray for them".

Ya, exactly what they did and exactly what they are doing in Africa. More like love the stupid and old, as you steal their money. Get it!

Denny

originally posted by: TarzanBeta
a reply to: DaCook

You clearly don't understand the full history of Christianity - and you definitely haven't read how the pagans transformed a kind of fake Christianity for themselves to rule with.

You are blaming a pagan religion which has blasphemed by taking the same name.

Now pick up more real history books and articles and also the Bible so you can have a foundation for your speech.

Listen, been a very fortunate individual. Did international business development in the surgical industry for a living, then traveled with my family for fun. The things I have seen don't come from googling religious websites. They come from my two own lying eyes and my lying ears hireing guides in a bunch of different countries. A bunch.

The reason I'm militant about organization religion comes from what I found out by accident. Wasn't looking for it! Christianity has done some very, very evil things and hid them under the carpet. Keep dreaming, taint so. I know.

Denny

a reply to: TarzanBeta

I saw that line. I just thought it was so ridiculous that I ignored it.


I have many Christian friends and even more Christan extended family members. At least 3 of the guys I used to do music with are preachers now. Some have even tried to convert me. But I'll tell you the same thing I've told them: how can you expect us to give up our book to follow your book when even you don't follow your book? LOL Most practicing Christians out here can actively point out many books in the Bible that they or their denominations reject, seemingly admitting that their own books are flawed or unacceptable. Yet you think that's going to be enough to get us to accept your Scriptures over our own? How does that even make any sense?

You guys quote from the Old Testament/Covenant when it fits your narrative and then reject it when it doesn't. To an outsider, can you really not see the blatant hypocrisy in that? Especially when you turn around and act like it's impossible for a Muslim or other non-Christian to point to something from our scriptures that we reject?

a reply to: TarzanBeta

Just for the record, I grew up in an area in the South where we were taught that my chocolate brown skin was the result of both the Mark of Cain and the Curse of Ham. In other words, according to the Judeo-Christian interpretations here, my people were supposedly cursed by God to be the slaves of "real" Christians. Is that a part of the Christian history that you're referring to?

And my Muscogee/"Creek Indian" bloodline was considered heathens & nearly wiped out by similar Judeo-Christian interpretations here. These aren't ancient history either; I'm talking about 5 & 6 generations back right here. Is this also a part of the history you're referring to?

Obviously I don't believe either the interpretations of that fake "curse" or that fake "mark" are correct. And neither do my many African American relatives and friends who accepted Christianity as their religion. But I think it's pretty funny that you're lecturing people on ignorance and the "real history" of Christianity while ignoring these very real facts.

I find it even funnier that you're basically saying the atrocities were committed by pagans who co-opted your religion, while conveniently ignoring how this is happening in my own religion! LOL One of the 114 Revelations/Surahs of the Qur'an literally only commands us to tell non-believers "unto you your religion/beliefs and unto me mine" (Surah 109, Al Kafiroon (the Disbelievers), Pickthall translation). Yet no matter how many times I point that out, you internet experts always ignore it because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions of what my religion is actually about. Myself and others have even pointed out who the Kharijites are and what they've always stood for, but it also falls on deaf ears.

a reply to: earthling42

It seems not to matter for IS, ISIS, Taliban, Al qaida, Al nusra, palestinians and so on.

Before I respond to anything else in your post, I want you tell me what these groups have in common? I'll even add Boko Haram and Al-Shabaab to that list to help you out. Here's a hint: They're all from the same small sect which I mentioned in my first post in this thread (HERE). And they all target other Muslim denominations for their attacks, even going so far as to destroy the mosques, shrines, and neighborhoods of the rest of us.

If you aren't willing or able to differentiate between the Islamic denominations, schools of thought, and sub-sects, then this is pointless.

originally posted by: prepared4truth

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: maddy21

Whats ironic about the whole thing is that this particular mosque was recognized for promoting peace and tolerance and harmony in the society. Whats going on over here is absolute hate for anything which is not Muslim.

This is also where the question of surveillance comes in, one could say this is a violation of privacy but the greater evil would be to allow such hate to continue festering in the society until these people who are completely incompatible with your culture grow to become a rather large part of your population.

Which begs the question WHY do they want to live in a country they

neither like or respect

The benefits? the better standard of living?

Or to impose their questionable values

IDK why did the American pilgrims live in a country they didn't respect?

That wasn't disprespect for the country, there was no country only mostly empty land. They came for two reasons. One was to have religious freedom from England,Rome, perhaps some came because of those relgious leaders of Mecca and India. The other was to find empty land to raise food without a government demanding their "fair share" as the feudal systems was built upon this reality.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

That brings us back to 'self cleansing capacity' within islam.

This should not even be discussed in a discussion, the islamic community should dispose itself of this sect, in doing so it would gain trust and respect.

But that is simply not happening and since this has only grown and gained popularity over the years, we also should not expect this to happen.
Hence we need to draw a line in order to prevent this kind of islam being spread any further.

That will meet resistance, just like you, many won't like it when islam is put under the magnifying glass.
But it has got to happen if we want a stop to this madness.

originally posted by: vonclod


They turned their old place into a #hole..and in some case the U.S. government helped greatly to make it a #hole.

Not ALL are coming because of war. Many are economic migrants.

www.bbc.co.uk...


And the cost to the tax payer .....

www.express.co.uk...

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That is only one of many

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: eletheia

The Western World would be well advised to take action against any Mosque with connections to the reigning Saud dynasty.

Yes, because western policy in the middle east (since the discovery of oil) has obviously played no part in inciting this hatred towards the west.

Oh, and the small matter of supporting Israeli policy as well. Obviously this won't of played any part either.

It's just bad guys that don't like Democracy damn it!

This has been there since the beginning of the religion. The Muslims were attacking and enslaving Americans before we were hardly even a nation. Look up the Barbary pirates. When Jefferson asked why they were doing this, part of the answer was that it was their duty as good Muslims.

We were barely beginning to have a merchant fleet, so it's not like we'd had any time to antagonize anyone in the ME.

The Barbary pirates captured slaves from all over Europe as well. But then again Europe & North America has it's own not so illustrious history relating to slavery.

In all honesty the point I'm trying to make is, pointing the finger at other cultures wrongs while ignoring you're own is a little hypocritical. Every country/culture/religion has done things that no one should be proud of, none more so than our own.

And people would do well to remember that before they go around demonising others.

a reply to: earthling42

So you don't even know who it is? LOL The very reason that sect has so much power even though it's so tiny in size is because the West has been backing it since before the fall of the Ottoman Empire! They're literally a pillar of the petrodollar system; are huge suppliers of foreign investment in Western financial markets; are reliable purchasers of Western defense contractors; etc. And even more importantly, they've been serving as Western proxy soldiers in Western wars where Western citizens don't want "boots on the ground", like the Afghan-Russian War, in the Balkans, in the Chechen War, in Libya & Syria, etc.

And yet, the majority of other Muslims are still opposing them. But since you clearly don't know what I'm talking about, there's no point in us having this discussion.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

As i stated, this shouldn't be discussed in a discussion, it will bring us nowhere.
It is up to the islamic ummah to stand up against this sect, either let islam be destroyed completely or take a stance against this sect.