'Space federation'

Collin--

I got into deep trouble following that link to Dr. M. Salla's review of the book. It took me to the Yahoo Group called "prepare4contact", on whose message board I found a supposed announcement from a "Capt. Helena of the Capricorns" who claims that these people will publicly appear with their spaceships in the U.S. this month, on or around Feb. 22, that they come to help, will "clean up the air and the water" and will teach us to use clean energy sources.

This had better be a prank. Otherwise, for those of us who have been heeding the warnings of the C's and the P's for years, about an invasion of tyrannical spacelords that will initially appear as our saviors but will eventually enslave us, it is the dreaded cosmic D Day, the Beginning of the End, and it will behoove us to "go underground" immediately.

Doing a search for "capt. helena" I found a site with "messages from Helena, Captain of the Starship Capricorn as received by Lavar", that seems to be the official site of the Capricorns, and two other sites with one or more of those messages, "Fourwinds10" and "White Knights 911". At one of these sites I PICKED UP A VIRUS called Bloodhound W32.EP and my PC has been giving me a lot of trouble ever since. This would be a first hint about the evil nature of the newcomers, who might be wanting to wreck the hardware of anybody who tries to read their messages and who does not belong to their group of contactees.

Collin, Here's the letter I sent to Dr. Michael Salla, in reply to his critique. Remember, the book is in-progress, hence any critique helps me make changes as I go. I've clarified certain details, after hearing from Michael.

Dear Michael,

The early chapters of my primer are based primarily on direct
contacts, ongoing experiences. In order to flesh out alien thinking
and make numerous direct quotes, I rely on those alien statements
and aliens that I know best. My emphasis (in the given chapters) on
federation colonizers is drawn for two reasons: one, I've
disputed with them for years (hence I know their behaviors well),
and two, they provide a useful case for discussion of both a trading
collective, and a manipulative colonial that has little regard for
human preferences. Given that they are the prime actor of such
intentions, here, at present, the largest in number and the deepest
in their placement, it can sometimes seem as though my discussion of
their role tends to displace other cases. I'll try not to
let it do so in later chapters (book is in progress, at present).

As for the Reptilians, Draconians and other 'service-to-self' races
intending to utilise humanity as a resource, and the numerous
service-to-other extraterrestrial races such as the Andromedans,
Arcturians, Pleiadians, Sirians, Ummites, etc.," as I wrote in a
letter to you, I remain leery of their representations, as much as I
do of the avowedly federation aliens. At this early stage in human-
alien interactions, I both suspect and have been informed
by "extras" that the Verdant-gray federation strategy here is a
large and carefully orchestrated resource scheme. They aren't about
to tell us just who is acting on the federation's part among those
genetically-copied and carefully placed human-hybrid enclaves, i.e.
(reported) Pleiadians, Nordics, Semitics and similar groups
reportedly in our vicinity who act as though they aren't actually
federation, when, instead, they likely are.

No complex strategy to gain human affiliation, plus control of our
resources, would open up without the schemer providing carefully
laid, well-timed fallbacks, rigorously prepared intermediaries who
pretend to be independent, yet who wrap into the federation through
overlapping affiliations. Humans are expected to marginally trust at
least some of them, as though they are actual, independent
groupings, when the evidence suggests that they aren't, especially
the pattern in their abduction work. As for the Reptilians, I cannot
say. The reports about them are too sparse, too momentary and
incidental--lacking fully conversant, long-term, thoughtful
interactions; they are only episodic. They appear in various
accounts, some of which may be true, but they don't appear
to be advanced aliens, if they exist as stated. Are the Andromedans
you refer to the orange skinned, four lobed brain aliens that Corso
and Krapf report, or the humanoid version that others report?

I think the orange skinned aliens are credible, but they would be
federation. The humanoid versions I find dubious. Sure, it's
possible that human-like aliens would evolve elsewhere, but I doubt
it. There would be differences, as we see in all other aliens. I
think that nearly all of the humanoid varieties are genetically
manipulated, if not once-abducted strains taken from this planet to
be used for a federation strategy. I have heard this from numerous
aliens, who have proven reliable in so many other cases. These
aren't just incidental remarks by aliens. Instead, they are
stated by extras who have blown the lid on major schemes here, on
this planet---aliens who've exposed the federation scheme in
important, new ways. There is a trenchant, life-and-death urgency in
such communications. This is due to the stepped-up pace of the
federation strategy, the increase in sightings, for example, over
the last two years or so.

What we usually see in reports about humanoid aliens is an abduction
or a limited one-on-one interaction (sometimes with a slightly
larger grouping). Where are the other varieties of aliens who both
attend to, and comment upon such interactions, usually, as in my
case, while they occur? Large collectives and large-scale
populations entail numerous sub-groupings, complex layering and
often a greater critique by the most advanced of such--as the
interactions happen.

I can't overemphasize how important it is to sort out the
minor, small-scale federation ploys (the humanoids) from actual,
independent alien populations. First person accounts are interesting
in that they provide a basic tenor, a preliminary window on the
character of off-world individuals, but when the authors of such
accounts don't develop an analysis of a given group's
intentions, when they don't rigorously query and remotely probe them
in return, I find their larger political and alliance conclusions
questionable. Sure, most humans haven't arrived at such an analysis,
just yet. There isn't much information of the sort, and, in the
federation case, there is a deliberate, tightly controlled effort to
limit all such larger considerations. This is done in ways that are
more anal than Bush Jr., himself.

You cite the stories of "Alex Collier, Billy Meier, Enrique
Castillo Rincon, Brian Scott, et al., and the classic cases of
George Adamski, Howard Menger, Daniel Fry, and Orfeo Angelucci."
You probably know them better than I do. Do any of them describe
long-term (days running) interactions that were fully awake, if not
apparently aided by psychotronic near-total recall? (In part) I may
have missed such books, but I don't recall full volume, detailed
reports that go on at length, with quotes, the character, the
detailed scientific and political discussions that the Newald and
Krapf books report. Please point out those that do, if you know
otherwise. Such persons were contacts, but were they actually
diplomatic--intended to be reported, at length during the
current voluminous opening that we are now seeing?

I anticipate that humans will eventually genetically experiment
(cabal elements appear to be doing so already, as is consistent with
manipulated conflicts/divergence scheme of the federation
aliens--who reportedly help them). The larger public will eventually
move toward such experiments, first off to increase life span and
brain size (especially after seeing actual evidence of aliens who
did so), but I don't recall advocating the genetic manipulation of
humankind, specifically. You may have read that into my writing.

In fact, I do favor research that prepares us for safe, responsible
alternatives of the sort. That doesn't at all mean that I
condone any single abduction. I insist on only waking, fully aware
interactions and have yet to be taken, myself, as far as I can
recollect. Elders have obviously abducted and done research on
humans--that much they admit. I maintain a cool distance from
any such doings. I haven't ever approved of same, either in
writing or elsewhere, certainly not in communications with them.
They had already done such, years before. For what it's worth, if
you read Marshall Vian Sommers book The Allies of Humanity, it
states that all aliens who come here for resource or share-the-
planet reasons are to be distrusted. Humans are advised to consider
that they aren't yet capable of responsibly managing any alien
occupation. Sommers' book, although its source is obscured for the
book's stated reasons, reads like a very credible, incisive
observation of our predicament, at this time.

So, I'm not a dupe of the Elders. I just happened to be
contacted by them. All such interactions were carefully ghosted by
other alien groupings, one advanced hyperversal faction of which
seems to have steered the whole process! When a competing alien
group like the Elders offers detailed information, which is then
followed upon by other aliens, when all of that is highly critical
of the federation and literally encouraging to humans to
technologically control undesirable alien comings and goings, then I
don't see Elders as a federation beard, at all. In fact, I suspect
that the Elders derive from the same failed planet that the grays
did. (Various hyperversals have made repeated, conspicuous point of
the Elders-as-failed-gray-planet-culprits argument. This has been
done so much that it is almost a point of propaganda). I suspect
that the Elders are the elite contingent that essentially blew it,
that acted in greed, back then, killing the planet inadvertently. I
also suspect that the Elders were variously steered by the Verdant
intervention, which they rebelled against, ultimately, due to an
independent streak among them, the desire to manage their own
affairs. So, I don't see the Elders as a model race--their planet
failed, disastrously. They are, however, chastened, and are now a
commonality rather than a greed-fest as we are, and they are
definitely, deeply resentful of the Verdants, albeit non-emotional
about it--if that makes sense. (Aliens who build houses in
which the walls change color to reflect mood and mental patterns are
not without feelings.) The -X3 related "hyperversals" (aliens
more advanced than those of the "federation") criticize
the Elders, as well as other small independents, for not integrating
into a larger collective premise, which is more manageable at later
stages in a given universe. They also suggest that the Elders use
too much energy and are in a category of opprobrium for having
destroyed their home planet, in the first place. Other aliens take
the Elders as they are, now--changed, in many ways, yet even they
critique the Elders, as is normal.

So the Elders appear to have been associated with the grays, but
they, and other aliens, report that they are now kept away from
them. There is much "intelligence," monitoring of each other, as is
usual among aliens, although all of them can be seen through, due
to the nature of the continuum. One Elder reported that a federation
craft seized one of their own rounded pyramid-shaped craft to study
it, the living/non-living hybrid materials in its hull, and more. I
even saw the "graphic" of the event. It showed a tense kind of
stand-off in which the federation bunch had an advantage, at the
time.

As for my methods. I have yet to do some interviews (with
experiencers--to be included later) for the book. That which is
reported as directly related is largely unique. Since such info is
not available elsewhere, I include it. Like many other experiencer
reports, it cannot be presented with physical documentation. In my
case, one hyperversal noted that, due to the nature of the
interactions, at least "30,000" others (presumably mostly
human) "have to" monitor what occurs in my interactions. How so?
Long before 1995 when they began, I was part of a human community of
telepathic interaction. Many other humans were already part of it
and it developed as an alternative to the Watergate and corruption
related strains in the social fabric here. Such communities have
existed for centuries. Some are religious telepathic networks (at
least the religious heirarchy, which was often monarchically
related), others are security related, and this one was simply a US
society-related one (with numerous international others). Then, in
1995, aliens went explicit, making the interaction essentially semi-
public.

Some of the alien awareness of this has been manipulative, of
varying character. There are diverse parties attending to it, with
very different agendas.

Originally posted by gl2
I don't doubt that you have experiences, Earth Sister, but once you begin to interact with a given alien species (people is a better word--not so specious), the desire to keep the interaction going can be strong. To end it, for some, is a kind of ex-communication. The key question is: do they respect your rights? Have you been knocked out, abducted and treated like a guinea pig? In other words, do you even know how, why they took you? Do you know about their agenda, here? More importantly, do you actively probe them back, in return (remote sensing, not physically, of course)?

gl2

My desire to do all I can to help the conflicts between humans and our visiting races is strong. My alien contact is already permanent. My alien contacts have been nothing by respectful of my rights. I have been made unconscious at times, but not against my will. I have never been abducted or treated with disregard. If and when I do not want to participate for any reason, I am not forced. Yes, I know how they take me, which is usually by their technologies, sometimes dimensionally, and usually out of body. But many times I take myself to their crafts without their help, out of body of course. Why- because I want to learn all I can from them for the purpose of helping others; they keep contact with me in order to teach me things. If I didn't want to work with them, they would not even bother.

My alien contacts have an open invitation to my home at any time. I have a very good but simple understanding of their agenda on Earth. Yes, I "probe" them back by asking questions and for their explanations at times when I feel that I need to know specific things. I understand that I cannot possibly understand everything I see, and they cannot possibly explain everything I want to know. I remain respectful of that, and that is one of the reasons why I am privy to so many more things than most other alien experiencers. My husband and I keep the same good attitude, and use our trust and manners. Usually the things they show us are to teach us about them, and we are supposed to ask questions. But other times we are included on things that are not directly meant for us, but for others, or for other reasons. At these times we trust our contacts to talk to us about it if we need to know something at that time. Often, the things we see that we do not understand, are meant to linger there unsolved until some later time, when we find that they were one part of a larger course. I work with the most advanced races, who are in charge of the organization of all the races that visit Earth. My husband and I have had some dealings with some races who were not part of the organization, who were not respectful of us, and they were corrected by our own alien contacts.

I've talked with Richard Boylan, who you probably know of. He's a PhD in psychology who is well known for his encounters and his writings. However, like yourself, he hasn't progressed to the stage where he can actively criticize the gray federation, like he would criticize any other endeavor. Why not? He has been abducted, implanted and also treated favorably, but, like yourself, has been told that the abductors don't do harmful, frightful things here. Tell that to the people I know who've been abducted. Tell that to David Jacobs' interviewees. Boylan is articulate, well-intended and intelligent, but---he has yet to utter a critique. Anything they say to him is accepted, in part because he assumes that they know more.
Yet is he free to think independently? Why was he implanted? Why the strange knockouts, the power and control that we would otherwise see as bizarrely criminal?

I have not studied Richard Boylan's work and I have never met him or been told about him by my alien contacts (that I recall at this time, though they may have made a comment some time ago, at which time I would have written it down.) I have no personal reason to believe that he has alien contact no matter what the stories are. I would have to look into that myself either to form my own opinion, or ask my alien contacts about him, which they may or may not discuss with me.

At one time, some alien races did abduct humans. Yet the key to understanding all the confusion about it among humans, is who abducted whom, when, and why. Do you factor in the government abductions, agents posing as aliens, to scare contactees away from accepting true contact, and to blackmail the aliens with the threatening of the hostages? How many government agents pose as the abducted, to publicly tell tales of great horrors onboard alien crafts? Do you think that is ridiculous?

Also, "any" alien contact may seem like "abduction" to a human who experiences it and recalls it. Two people in the same scenario may perceive the details of the events differently, and how friends and family and co-workers react to them following the event also molds their thinking. Some of the alien races are "quite" ugly (to us), which immediately, in our minds, promotes an uncontrollable fearful and horrible perception to whatever follows. Then of course these poor people read the "professional" material here on Earth about what happened to themselves, and there you go, off and running the span of all propaganda with no consideration for the aliens' point of view.

The few humans among all who have contact, who get to know the alien races trust them because they get to know them. It is not fair to assume that other people who hear about this happening should also be expected to agree, but a little intelligent thought goes a long way to understanding.

Boylan is free of the aliens to think independently. But he is not free of Earth authorities to speak independently. I have no idea how much influence or pressure is put on Richard Boylan, but I am sure it takes almost nothing for Earth authorities (agents of) to discredit anybody, or scare them, even just by making a phone call to one of their loved ones, or staging an incident to cast personal and professional shame and doubt against them. You might not know the scope of intention or capability of the aliens, but it is the humans you have to be asking about whenever it comes to anybody who is trying to speak up publicly about the TRUTH about the aliens races. People who are speaking up LIES are not only free to do it, but they are touted and stroked and protected by the same authorities who are harassing the good people trying to do good work. It's a very rough field. We are all stumbling along here. You should see red flags when somebody makes it look real easy, who is rubbing elbows with respected authorities. I hope you know what I mean to say here.

David Jacobs is doing a great big "job" for great big people on Earth.

Because, of course, the abductors have much more to hide. If you were a Neanderthal and a US citizen doped you out, then took you up in a (military) chopper at intervals where she told you, "No, we are a democracy--we don't torture, abuse, or undermine other democracies because we are the leading democracy" wouldn't you tend to think it gospel? Theirs is a complex, corruption-ridden trading collective. They have animal origins, foreign policies, material needs, and a structure that rationalizes its abuses in terms of their technological superiority, their longer duration. But they are far from the most advanced aliens we have encountered. They aren't even the most numerous. Implantation, blackouts, screen memories---it's all intended to hide what they don't want you to know, which, in your case, probably isn't details about their electrogravity configured craft interiors.

I met The Greys under close supervision (of The Greys) of my own alien contacts. I met them at the time they were deciding whether to accept the conditions being given to them by my contacts, the leaders of the organization of our visiting races. They had to stop creating hybrids, and they had to improve some of their methods of contact with their related humans if they wanted to continue to visit. If they refused, they would be banned. One of the races who humans call The Greys complied and accepted help from the further advanced races to get what they so desperately needed, which they had been taking from humans. And the other race we call The Greys did not. A few other races were also dismissed permanently from visiting Earth at that time. Now, all of the races that visit Earth belong and are welcome here, and are using the best techniques possible for working with their humans. There are still misunderstandings happening, mostly from general human lack of knowledge of the alien races as well as an overabundance of propaganda.

It is not easy for any advanced race to approach a newer race of people. The difficulties are natural and prevalent in the minds of the members of the newer race. The aliens are not angels, and they are not perfect. They have as much to learn about us as we do about them. But all the roadblocks are based on our own way of thinking among and against the various factions of our own humanity, not theirs.

Your ideas are coming from "everywhere" seemingly without discretion.

Instead, they want to preserve you as a kind of filter. Of course their social and other practices are more evolved. But, they have a psychotronic kind of Big Brother regime tracking them, and, in the gray case, the Verdants appear to have infiltrated their original planet, then steered it toward its death, leaving the grays entirely vulnerable. They were left to hide underground for years, then scooped up and used for the federation's expansion IN ANOTHER GALAXY, not in the Large Magellenic Cloud where the grays reportedly originate. Why here? Because the Verdants took control of the old neighborhood, probably for hegemonic reasons and to control the resources, expand the collective elsewhere.

There are no Verdants. Everything you have heard about them and surrounding them is fabricated. The people who continue to create scenarios with them are lying.

Don't you see how we can be skeptical of your analysis when you have no criticism, whatsoever, of them? Don't you remember the critical judgement that was the prime lesson of your undergraduate studies? They do have direct operatives here, and some of what they do is very ugly. It needs to be hidden because the federation does intervene: abductions, manipulation of religious conflicts, and more. What do they do with those late-stage hybrids? What about the young pre-teens sexually abused by them, as is noted in The Threat, by David Jacobs. Read Jacobs, then ask your federation contacts about such, in detail.

Wake up, Earth Sister. See beyond them. They are fallible, controlling and the grays themselves were heinously violated. It was all rationalized in terms of changing them (even if it killed their planet) and pulling them into the given collective. *There are other, vastly more advanced collectives.

Of course you should be skeptical of everything you hear. I am free to criticize and ask questions and I do. It has been my consistent experience throughout the years of getting to know the alien races, through thousands of contacts and communications, hundreds of which will eventually be published, that they are trustworthy and professional, diligent in their collective efforts to help our race join their group of races, just as each of them has accomplished. I don't see them having no difficulties with the process, I see them solving them, and I do whatever I can to help with that. There is an awful lot of solving to do, before we can get to the first building blocks of diplomacy. We need a lot of help, but so far most humans who are in a position to help are just dragging their feet, perhaps just afraid of becoming socially unpopular.

In the words of Daniel Sheehan (on cover of Krapf's 2nd book), "I ask that people regard the revelations in Phillip Krapf's book with the same attention they directed to the Pentagon Papers in 1971. I personally view The Challenge of Contact (Krapf's 2nd book) in the same vein. I say this as one of the attorneys for the New York Times who worked on the Pentagon Papers case."

The Pentagon Papers exposed a vast fraud in US foreign policy. "The same vein?" Read between the lines.

Art Bell: "There was just something about Phillip Krapf that rang true. I gues that's all I can say. Over several hours the story held up--he held up--and you came away with a feeling, 'Well maybe..."

R. Leo Sprinkle, PhD, President of the Board Academy of Clinical Close Encounter Therapists, Author of Soul Samples: "Phillip Krapf serves not only as a reporter for his own extraterrestrial contacts, but also as a spokesperson for the tasks to be completed by humanity."

FINALLY, Krapf got into hot water with the Verdants by the time of his 2nd book because he saw inconsistencies in their story and he said too much about him. They gave him a cold shoulder, then patronized him in demeaning terms for having simply been honest about what he saw--because it embarrassed them. They want you to discredit him now, because he said too much and humans aren't rushing to be absorbed into their power structure.

You are too invested in too many of other people's ideas. You don't know what is what yourself, so everybody else sounds all the same to you. You need to have some of your own knowledge to go on, if you really want to understand for yourself what is really going on.

I can't and don't want to argue about it. I just share what I know, take it for whatever you will use it as, or leave it.

Your next post to me is way too long and I am too busy on line and off line to break it down. If you would like me to comment for you on any specific points of it, please revise it. Thank you, I really would appreciate that very much.

from Macrento
Collin--

I got into deep trouble following that link to Dr. M. Salla's review of the book. It took me to the Yahoo Group called "prepare4contact", on whose message board I found a supposed announcement from a "Capt. Helena of the Capricorns" who claims that these people will publicly appear with their spaceships in the U.S. this month, on or around Feb. 22, that they come to help, will "clean up the air and the water" and will teach us to use clean energy sources.

This had better be a prank. Otherwise, for those of us who have been heeding the warnings of the C's and the P's for years, about an invasion of tyrannical spacelords that will initially appear as our saviors but will eventually enslave us, it is the dreaded cosmic D Day, the Beginning of the End, and it will behoove us to "go underground" immediately.

Doing a search for "capt. helena" I found a site with "messages from Helena, Captain of the Starship Capricorn as received by Lavar", that seems to be the official site of the Capricorns, and two other sites with one or more of those messages, "Fourwinds10" and "White Knights 911". At one of these sites I PICKED UP A VIRUS called Bloodhound W32.EP and my PC has been giving me a lot of trouble ever since. This would be a first hint about the evil nature of the newcomers, who might be wanting to wreck the hardware of anybody who tries to read their messages and who does not belong to their group of contactees.

You might want to invest in a good anitvirus package if you're going into fragile sites in your research that could be targeted.

These pronouncements are meant to encourage people who have a desire to meet and interact with the new generation, so-to-speak, of ETs who are on more or less of a drive to make contact with average people nowadays it seems. As your first reaction is one of fear of the unknown, the greatest fear there is, this is understandable, and to some extent the channelling serves a purpose here: just to release some of the pre-contact jitters everyone must feel at some point when the reality of it all really starts to hit home…

As for the “C’s and the P’s” that you mention:
Most predictions about the future and prophecies are in fact warnings about fearful probabilities. These in fact tend not to occur, at least on such a grand scale as is forecast, IMO because mass awareness of the possibility raises consciousness enough to avoid manifesting the predicted scenario. A different outcome is preferred and selected instead. Some predictors of scary future events, on the other hand, are simply fearful people. The line between psychic and psychotic is often rather thin in such cases, it seems.

The benevolent ETs that have organized to make contact, forming a rather large collective now, can tell telepathically just exactly who does and does not want to be contacted, at the level of a person’s soul (which, fair enough, not everyone on this board may even agree to exist, in the first place). All aligned ETs are non-interfering and will not violate any of the First Contact protocols, which they are all quite well-versed in: including the law of help, which states that any help must be requested. Not all may have entirely mastered these universal laws but every affiliated ET group at least studies, practices and works accordingly in coordination with the rest of the First Contact fleets IMHO.





[edit on 9-2-2005 by Collin]

Originally posted by TerraX

EarthSister

You think you're doing a service to others but in some areas you don't and seeing your replies I'm starting to doubt you are even aware of it.I'm also getting the impression that you don't comprehend the essence of what another person is saying.In my previous post I clearly stated that concerning the Krapf case my position was neutral due to the fact of not having any information.You on the other hand base your conclusions on your experiences and what your 'friends' told you, this is not really a persuasive factor for me.Since we have more people in ufology who go about the same way, this is ultimately very confusing and hampering progress.What would be a 'smoother way'?

TerraX

I apologize if I misunderstood you and apparently I have. I am glad and sincerely support your position as neutral, even for me.

The name Boylan came up in a previous post and just like you he speaks positively about the greys and their affiliates.Just last week I had a discussion with the man over the internet and it basicly ended with him saying I was a xenophobic racist.Needless to say he lost the discussion big time.
Funny thing is, Boylan completely disregards the negative elements surrounding the greys.When faced with that he uses standard lingo such as; it's disinformation, the case isn't valid, it was researched by unqualified people (he on the other hand is qualified).Conclusion, he denies that which doesn't fit in his preconcieved notion.He just shuts out a side to the story while still claiming the truth.

I too, support the race here that humans call The Greys. They are a fine race, and past differences are just that- past, and no longer happening and never will. It may be your perception from all the junk you have read that Boylan completely disregards the negative elements surrounding The Greys. I don't know what he says. I do know that The Greys are here to stay and are working within the standards set by the organization now. It seems to me that you are determined to make a whole picture out of too few pieces, most of which are planted easily within your reach for diabolical reasons, and not by any visiting race.

Billy Meier, there's a name, doesn't work much differently.Most people don't realize what he's saying or know of him and his case only superficially.While reading his information I became aware of the rapid dismissal of other contactees.According to him 99% of the people in ufology are liars, cheaters and frauds.Remarkably, his position on the greys is rather positive...
He coined the term "examination contacts" for the abductions and added that it's not so widespread as people believed.The persons examined were always returned and a remark was made that the treatment was even humane.Of course just like Boylan, not a word on the psychological and physical trauma being inflicted on the abductee or that abduction is a criminal act.
It gets even more incredible.According to Billy Meier's information, his contacts "the Plejarens" even set out on diplomatic missions to Zeta Reticuli, suggesting communication between his contact-group and the greys.Here's another remarkable side to the Meier case.Semjase, one of Meier's early contacts is nowdays pictured as beautiful human looking woman with just one outstanding feature namely longer earlobes.She didn't always look that way.In the late 70s I came across an article in a weekly magazine which was about the Meier case.In that magazine was a drawning of Semjase which I vividly recall.She was depicted as a human looking female with one major difference, her eyes were slanted and black.Just like the human in your album...

I have not studied Billy Meier's work, I've only looked at it and not recently. I know from my contacts that he is an alien experiencer. I also know from them that he got seduced into government compliance. I don't know what, or how much, of what he says or is said about him anymore is actually true.

From my own experience, I can tell you that The Greys were not abducting all of their alien contacts, and that most of the humans who were working with them on their hybrid program were willing "though on a higher level" which in itself poses a problem for humanity's view of alien contact and what constitutes taking advantage of us. Hybrid programs are also not allowed under the Union because there are other, more appropriate and advanced ways to share genetics with a desperate race.

There are absolutely no more abductions of any humans going on by any alien race at Earth. It is not allowed, and not possible any longer. All of the races here are working together under one guidance and assitance for one same goal. The races who could not join the organization are no longer visiting Earth. If you can't believe that, at least take a view of it upon what you are considering and see what it all looks like that way, because it will help you see for yourself who making claims is honest and who is dishonest, either by accident or on purpose.

It's striking that those people that have contacts with the greys often refrain from criticizing their contacts yet freely dish it out on others.If I didn't know any better I would label it as a pr-stunt.Considering all the dealings and persons involved with the greys, one matter seems to stand out like a 'red-wire' through the entire enigma, the greys simply can't be trusted...

Like I said, The Greys are a fine race and here to stay. They are no longer conducting a hybrid program, and their personal contact with their related humans is above-board.

The name "The Greys" was coined by humans and derogatively connotated. Their appropriate name for humans to use is The Ancient Ones.

We don't see eye to eye but that's ok. I am very independent and directly represent the alien races to the best of my ability. I don't know or understand everything, but I stay true to my own experiences. I would not abandon my own teachings by the leaders of the organization of the alien races to adopt the various frivolities of the human UFO field. Most humans just stubbornly represent what humans think and claim about the aliens. I am honest and humble, and I don't accept any kind of payment for sharing what I know. If you don't believe or accept it, that is fine with me too, but I hope to help shed a little true light on the whole subject. That is what my experiences are for.

[edit on 9-2-2005 by EarthSister]

Originally posted by malakiem

Originally posted by EarthSister

Originally posted by wyatt43
hi everyone this migh seem a bit a a noob question but is there a 'force' or 'resistance' that protects the earth from hostile extra terrestials?

And also if extra terrestrials are all different as all humans are why doesnt one of them create a 'federation' which is part human and part extra-terrestrial?

I know i would want to join.... wouldnt you?

wyatt

Excellent question. There is a federation of advanced life. I know because I have been taught about it by the alien races that visit Earth. Yes, really.

There are 218 races, all advanced, visiting Earth from nearby in our galaxy. They belong to a larger group of races in five galaxies that make up the Union for our area of space. In this union are over 5200 worlds of advanced intellingent life. All advanced races participate in the union and visit their neighboring worlds to create the network. Primitive races are not counted as participants in the union yet, like us.

All the races that are visiting Earth now are working here as our friends and neighbors. As they set up their organization for our world, they stopped a few races who were visiting from doing things that did not meet the standard of the organization under the union. We are protected from anything that is within the organization's jurisdiction for our world. But they cannot take over our world or interfere directly between our leaderships and publics.

All races are different in many ways, but all are people, and all depend on diplomacy between them to survive and excell. A race does not advance past "go" or gain status in the Union or substantial freedom to travel if it is hostile. That is why advanced races are peaceful. It is not that they do not have problems and conflicts, but it is that they share solutions and help each other use them for the benefit of all.

Primitive races like us are those apt to be hostile, although not all primitive races are hostile. For instance, if we began to travel to other worlds near us and did there the kinds of things that we do here, we would be dissallowed by the advanced races, under the jurisdiction and protection of that world.

Earthsister, i know this is a long shot, and grinding a dead horse deeper into the ground. When you said there's 218 races visiting earth, do you by any chance have any recollection of the anchient nommo's? Or even the iargans? If you would like links to these beings for more info, i'm more then happy to post them.

malakiem

If you give me the information on these names you want me to comment on, I will answer what I can for you.

Absolutely no more abductions? Did they tell you that, because I've seen evidence that it continues. I hope they don't take you physically, because that would be a sign of distrust, especially if your memory is then tinkered with. If, in fact, your interactions are all friendly, you might want to ask about their specific purpose here, where they are in relation to our sun, and, most importantly, do they regularly interact with other aliens in our galaxy. My sources, again, from direct interactions, say that is a major issue--the federation attempt to cut us off from interactions with native neighbors.

When I said probe, I meant to remotely scan and probe their space-time, their craft and any of their crew that you find necessary. I do this without asking them, at all. It is a native being's check on such---they wouldn't agree to such, of course. Meanwhile, other non-federation aliens suggest that if we aren't up to doing such probing, we can be duped in dangerous ways. In remote viewing or remote sensing, the electrogravity technology and, indeed, the similar basis for remote viewing, allows for flash-like bursts of probing (albeit not visible flashes to the eye; they are "seen" by the nerves of your brain, not your eyes, but you can tease out visual-like details--if you practice. I'd recommend probing, assessing them as is your critical investigative right, being a native of Earth--which they aren't. There are some things a large, highly technological government like theirs will not tell you, for various reasons.

I know the Verdants exist because I probe them regularly. I've had scrapes with them in which they argue their case, in communication with other, more advanced aliens who interact here, and I know their character. They're a study case, being advanced but having reverted to sexual reproduction (reportedly they had cloned previously--probably for selective genetic improvement reasons). You can probe them by remotely assessing their large, 1 and 1/2 mile wide, disk shaped cruiser, which they hover behind the moon for security reasons. They do exist. Remote sensing is faster than light. You don't have to wait 3 1/2 seconds for the "signal" to bounce back from the moon. Instead, it accelerates toward infinity via a "negative energy" gradient that has spooled out between their position and us (due to years of electrogravity streaming to and fro, electrogravity that has easily discernable information in it, including psychotronic, or mind-read, details.) They use such tech all the time. It is easier, it is their standard.

So, instead of me arguing whether they exist or not, I simply challenge you (politely E.S.--don't venture if you fear harm) to remotely visit them. But, here's a hint: don't place your remotely taken perspective of view on their disk by placing your perspective WITHIN their craft. They'll detect that easily with psychotronic technology. Instead, place your perspective in space just outside their craft (it's a whopper--it really stands out; you don't need to scan the whole moon because a quick probe instantly traces their high energy streaming). Place your perspective just beyond a rim-of-disk location where their electrogravity "field" has a kind of horizon. By horizon I mean that electrogravity borrows energy from empty space-time and runs the clock on time there noticeably so that you can literally use that horizon to tease out details of what goes on IN the disk. It's a big disk with many windows and ports.

You may not want to do this, but if you try you'll have little doubt as to the existence of the Verdants. By remaining independent and critical of them (which is normal, frankly) I am free to do so. Are you? This is a very important matter and other, non-federation aliens speak about the Verdants often. It's necessary to get humans up to speed about what they are doing. I don't think such aliens would lie, E.S. It's all too important to humankind at this time. Indeed, sometimes I rely on certain details by authors like Krapf, but he's a good, fact-checking journalist. He looks power in the face and asks some tough questions. His job at the LA Times was to get reporters and grill them about their stories, then do fact checking and make sure it all bore out. Imagine, decades of doing the hard, dirty Metro beat. He isn't a pushover. When he was at the Times it was one of the nation's best papers (before the Chicago Tribune organization bought it out a few years ago.)

Sure, your contacts may try to say that Verdants don't exist, especially now that writers like myself are publishing unsettling details of their doings here. Here are two friendly suggestions, three actually. Don't fear wary persons like myself (non military, always skeptical of corrupt government, not about to tell CIA types or any such anything because they might do stupid, misguided harm to aliens)--we are all sorting out vital, new details. Two, remember that federation aliens use the good cop, bad cop approach. Those non-federation aliens that treated you roughly? They may be federation aliens doing a role-playing for certain reasons (you should at least consider the possibility). And finally, three: ask those grays and all related aliens, especially the supposedly more advanced ones: How did the original gray planet die, and were federation aliens on the scene monitoring the situation? If so, why didn't they help avoid the planet's death? Did the federation have breeding program inserts on the original gray planet?

When they reply, listen to their thoughts in fine detail, not just the linear words they use. Revisit those fine details and follow up on them.

Originally posted by EarthSister

Originally posted by malakiem

Originally posted by EarthSister

Originally posted by wyatt43
hi everyone this migh seem a bit a a noob question but is there a 'force' or 'resistance' that protects the earth from hostile extra terrestials?

And also if extra terrestrials are all different as all humans are why doesnt one of them create a 'federation' which is part human and part extra-terrestrial?

I know i would want to join.... wouldnt you?

wyatt

Excellent question. There is a federation of advanced life. I know because I have been taught about it by the alien races that visit Earth. Yes, really.

There are 218 races, all advanced, visiting Earth from nearby in our galaxy. They belong to a larger group of races in five galaxies that make up the Union for our area of space. In this union are over 5200 worlds of advanced intellingent life. All advanced races participate in the union and visit their neighboring worlds to create the network. Primitive races are not counted as participants in the union yet, like us.

All the races that are visiting Earth now are working here as our friends and neighbors. As they set up their organization for our world, they stopped a few races who were visiting from doing things that did not meet the standard of the organization under the union. We are protected from anything that is within the organization's jurisdiction for our world. But they cannot take over our world or interfere directly between our leaderships and publics.

All races are different in many ways, but all are people, and all depend on diplomacy between them to survive and excell. A race does not advance past "go" or gain status in the Union or substantial freedom to travel if it is hostile. That is why advanced races are peaceful. It is not that they do not have problems and conflicts, but it is that they share solutions and help each other use them for the benefit of all.

Primitive races like us are those apt to be hostile, although not all primitive races are hostile. For instance, if we began to travel to other worlds near us and did there the kinds of things that we do here, we would be dissallowed by the advanced races, under the jurisdiction and protection of that world.

Earthsister, i know this is a long shot, and grinding a dead horse deeper into the ground. When you said there's 218 races visiting earth, do you by any chance have any recollection of the anchient nommo's? Or even the iargans? If you would like links to these beings for more info, i'm more then happy to post them.

malakiem

If you give me the information on these names you want me to comment on, I will answer what I can for you.

I sent you a u2u earthsister....

Earthsister

I admire your effort to reply to the majority of the members dispite many of their skeptism and there vast loads of answers.You need not reply to all of them,i believe that some answers should be earn through research and common sense rather than getting it from somebody.

I cannot say that i believe in many of your beliefs and i know you explained you do not expect that.But what i do believe is in your strength to reply in a sincere manner dispite whatever the comments.

Continue sticking by your belief and story and dont allow critism and insults to get to you.

Originally posted by blackSt33L

Continue sticking by your belief and story and dont allow critism and insults to get to you.

Why, thank you, blackSt33L! I will take your great advice and encouragement to heart

earthsister, what about the draconians and saurians?

Originally posted by Macrento
Collin--

I got into deep trouble following that link to Dr. M. Salla's review of the book. It took me to the Yahoo Group called "prepare4contact", on whose message board I found a supposed announcement from a "Capt. Helena of the Capricorns" who claims that these people will publicly appear with their spaceships in the U.S. this month, on or around Feb. 22, that they come to help, will "clean up the air and the water" and will teach us to use clean energy sources.

This had better be a prank. Otherwise, for those of us who have been heeding the warnings of the C's and the P's for years, about an invasion of tyrannical spacelords that will initially appear as our saviors but will eventually enslave us, it is the dreaded cosmic D Day, the Beginning of the End, and it will behoove us to "go underground" immediately.

Doing a search for "capt. helena" I found a site with "messages from Helena, Captain of the Starship Capricorn as received by Lavar", that seems to be the official site of the Capricorns, and two other sites with one or more of those messages, "Fourwinds10" and "White Knights 911". At one of these sites I PICKED UP A VIRUS called Bloodhound W32.EP and my PC has been giving me a lot of trouble ever since. This would be a first hint about the evil nature of the newcomers, who might be wanting to wreck the hardware of anybody who tries to read their messages and who does not belong to their group of contactees.

Did you bother to check out the other topics on the Prepare4Contact forum or the info on the main page? Since it's an open forum things such as the "Capt. Helena" message are put up by various members, others question it just like here.Sorry that you contracted a virus but I doubt the board had anything to do with it.

Originally posted by cloud
earthsister, what about the draconians and saurians?

Cloud

Can you give me some specific information or sites I could comment on for you? If I know or can find out anything, I will tell you.

I just wanted to jump into the thread and say hi to Earthsister....howdy Nancy!! Tammy and I are alive and well in West Virginia. It is wonderful to see you posting again. I admit I have not read this entire thread but I got really ticked off at the "heat" ES took at the beginning of it. I just want everyone to know whether you believe Earthsister or not she is a hardworking, honest and loving human being. She places all people's best interest at heart, even the ones who flame her. Hummm... a galactic federation...sure why not. Who's to say we aren't one of the galactic "New Kids on the Block"? Older, wiser races see to the protection, development of and eventual welcoming into the galactic family and neighborhood of younger races. For those who scoff at the idea of advanced races, several in fact, that may be visiting us because of the restrictions by the laws of physics....why are we as Earthlings think we have cornered the market on knowledge?!! Have we learned all there is to learn? Do we KNOW all there is to know in the universe? I think not...if we did as a species...we'd have our s**t together by now. Riddle me this.....how would our encyclopedia of knowledge compare to a race of beings that was 1000 years older and more advanced than us? How about a 100,000 or possibly a million years?! Don't you think they may have knowledge that may allow them to bend if not even break the laws of physics as we understand them?

Is Earth Sister the Nancy who's famous for her channeling of grays and her reports about Planet X coming in the future?

Originally posted by Starlight_Rebel
I just wanted to jump into the thread and say hi to Earthsister....howdy Nancy!! Tammy and I are alive and well in West Virginia.

It is wonderful to see you posting again.

Howdy, Buddy! So nice to see you! I had a little tiny bit of free time so I broke down and dropped my 2 cents in, and now I am going all the way around again. Thanks for sticking up for me, as usual, haha.

My love to Tammy.

Originally posted by gl2
Is Earth Sister the Nancy who's famous for her channeling of grays and her reports about Planet X coming in the future?

gl2

No, I am not that Nancy. I am honest and untainted. I do not channel and there is no Planet X coming.

Es, on your site it mentions Japan as a first contact nation, have any hard timeframes been disclosed to you? Or is it more of ' certain things have to happen on earth first' before any such contact can be made.

According to some posts above Feb 20 this year is one date.........

Apologies if this has been asked already.

One_Small_Step away from my desk....then another.

Originally posted by one_small_step
Es, on your site it mentions Japan as a first contact nation, have any hard timeframes been disclosed to you? Or is it more of ' certain things have to happen on earth first' before any such contact can be made.

According to some posts above Feb 20 this year is one date.........

one_small_step

No timeframe has been told to me about when Japan will make first open contact with the organization of visiting races. All my contacts would tell me is "soon." Soon to us may be more immediate than to the alien races. They have told me soon before for other things and then kept me waiting for what seemed to me to be a very long time. I think it was all in my perception, though. You know, a watched pot thing...

It is my understanding that certain things have to happen first on Earth before the aliens actually make their grand debut. I take this to mean that things like particular people being in place, dire necessity, and reasonable opportunity have to help determine when it is time. I don't think any of the aliens know when exactly either, except perhaps by their psychic abilities.

If you look around, taking a broad view, you can see how things are progressing and becoming more desperate, both with ourselves against each other on Earth and with our need for the alien races to step in.

No dates have been given to any humans by alien life about when this will be.

Soon tends to be a very broad word at the best of times.

thanks for the reply.