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It must be said that these early attestations do not necessarily indicate the very beginning of Hurrian immigration to the north and northeast of Mesopotamia. The seizure of power by a Hurrian ruler in Azu‹inum and Simurrum, the organization of a military force, and more significantly giving Hurrian names to regions such as Azu‹inum and Kirašeniwe must have had a previous history, before Narām-Sîn. This would be a history of immigration, self establishment, replacement of sedentary populations by the new arrivals and finally the formation of a sufficiently serious threat to require a military response by Narām-Sîn
an older Hurrian presence is shown by the assumed Hurrian loan-word ta/ibira in Sumerian, used for a smith or copperworker. This etymology presumes a derivation from the Hurrian verbal root tab/v, ‘to pour’ or ‘to cast.’ The word ta/ibira in Sumerian is so old that it formed part of the name of one of the predeluvian cities, Bad-tibira.
In ancient times, Bad-tibira was a city situated at the edge of marshlands. This was important, for it was known mostly for it’s reed-burning furnaces and smelteries. Raw ore was brought via the Euphrates and Iturungal Canal to the kilns. Mostly copper, but also gold and silver, were exported from Bad-tibira to artisan shops all over ancient Sumer
You are she who displays shining cornelian from the mountains to be admired. Bringing shining lapis lazuli from the bright mountain on special rafts, you are she who, like fire, melts gold from Harali. You are she who creates apples in their clusters.
The name of the range probably means “high watch/guard,” Av. harā- (fem. “watch, guard, defence,” not attested as an appellative) is from the OIr. har- “to pay attention to, watch over, protect”
The name of the Hamadān massif Alvand (Elvend, etc.) may well contain the same element harā/ă-, i.e., *haravant-, “furnished with watchers” in the sense of “protecting.
Alborz Iranica online
Zoroastrian scholastics continued to suppose that the Peak of Harā intercepted the light of the heavenly bodies, which they thought had their orbits in planes parallel to the earth. The ancient Iranians used a 360-day calendar, and in Pahlavi texts it is said that there were 180 windows on the eastern side of the Peak, and 180 on the western side. Each morning the sun passed through one on the eastern side, and each evening it departed through one on the western side. There were likewise 135 windows on either side for the moon, and 90 for the stars;
According to Rohl, "There is little evidence of kingship and its rituals very much before the beginning of the 1st Dynasty; no signs of the gradual development of metal working, art, monumental architecture and writing – the defining criteria of early civilisation. Much of what we know about the pharaohs and their complex culture seems to come into existence in a flash of inspiration.
Rohl believes the catalyst for this sudden development was the influx of a Mesopotamian "foreign elite" who made their way to Egypt by sailing around the coastline of the Arabian Peninsula into the Red Sea ultimately dragging their boats across the desert to the Nile. Rohl notes numerous pre-dynastic rock carvings found in several locations from Wadi Abbad to Abydos which depict large Mesopotamian style boats
In the early 20th century, Egyptologist Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie deduced that skeletal remains found at pre-dynastic sites at Naqada indicated the presence of two different races, with the Dynastic Race, also referred to as the "Followers of Horus", differentiated physically by a noticeably larger skeletal structure and cranial capacity
Other Hurrian traditions found in the material culture of Urkeš show a culture cradled in the old rural Hurrian communities of the northern highlands, in northern and eastern Anatolia. Among these were the iconographic styles and elements later found in the iconography of Kültepe level II, such as the bull standing on an altar, the slaying of a reversed bull using the long triangular knife, the fashion, particularly headdresses, and the early Transcaucasian sherds and andirons found in Urkeš.
There is evidence of trade relations between Urkeš and the northern mountains, in which metals, stones, timber and wild animals were exchanged. This fact leads to the conclusion that the inhabitants of the northern highlands were in fact rural Hurrians rather than urban Hurrians of the Habur region. In any case, recent discoveries in northeastern Syria show that the regions of southeastern Anatolia must have played a significant role in the prehistory of the Hurrians.
In those days, in the days when heaven and earth were created; in those nights, in the nights when heaven and earth were created; in those years, in the years when the fates were determined; when the Anuna gods were born; when the goddesses were taken in marriage; when the goddesses were distributed in heaven and earth
The gods were digging the canals and piling up the silt in Ḫarali. The gods, crushing the clay, began complaining about this life.;
The ancient Iranians used a 360-day calendar, and in Pahlavi texts it is said that there were 180 windows on the eastern side of the Peak, and 180 on the western side. Each morning the sun passed through one on the eastern side, and each evening it departed through one on the western side. There were likewise 135 windows on either side for the moon, and 90 for the stars;
The earliest form of the name (Av. Harā bərəzaitī, Mid. Pers. Harborz) denotes in the Avesta and in Zoroastrian writings not the existing range, but a mythological mountain chain fulfilling a cosmological function at either end of the world. Through it the sun enters and departs each day; around its highest peak (taēra-, tērag) circle the stars (Yt. 12.25). In Yt. 10.50 and Yt. 12.23 the towering, luminous Harā mountains and their many outcrops are the abode of Mithra,
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
Of course the cult of Horus is that of the High watcher, the Falcon, and that relates to the land of Harali.
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
I don't expect there was a group that referred to themselves as the followers of Horus, but that there was a group that conceived Horus as a tutelary Deity and founded Dynastic Egypt, hence i am more interested in relating Horus to a particular ethnic group.
With regards to your points, as i am suggesting this was the Hurrians via Magan in conjunction with Urukian involvement they are already in central Mesopotamia well beyond their normal tribal ranges, thus you cannot expect widespread cultural evidence.
the symbols of Kingship in the early Dynastic period are similar as per Indo-European.
Hathor as a tutelary Goddess of Hattic culture is a more difficult case to make, but bear in mind i'd be considering that as arriving via the Mediterranean and associate with such cultures as the Minoans, and that her name meant the House of Horus, within which the Sun could be understood to reside, and Hattic culture was the centre for such concerns...
Consider the symbolism, a triple branched arrangement, atop which is a bird/boat/bud, a good symbol for a colonizing group that is branching out into new regions, that travels by ship and has the bird as it's tutelary Deity, the combs from Tell Abrak show great similarity with those of early Dynastic Egypt, for example Naqada II King Djet;
A bird and a boat, the Horus/Sokar falcon and his barque, and on the prow of that boat an arrangement of branches, otherwise known as a tree...
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
The name of the range probably means “high watch/guard,” Av. harā- (fem. “watch, guard, defence,” not attested as an appellative) is from the OIr. har- “to pay attention to, watch over, protect”
The name of the Hamadān massif Alvand (Elvend, etc.) may well contain the same element harā/ă-, i.e., *haravant-, “furnished with watchers” in the sense of “protecting.
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
Arrival from the Red Sea would have involved establishment in Upper Egypt initially, there's no evidence of metallurgy and relatively advanced craft skills evolving locally in that region
whereas with the Hurrian expansion the pattern can be traced, in fact the broad based society in that region was still very much in the Neolithic period before the arrival of those who created the first Dynasties, and that in itself had developed in Anatolia thousands of years earlier and was thus Proto-Hattic, cows and all.
It's a false assumption therefore to consider they could just have developed those skills themselves,
the evidence suggests dedicated specialist groups related to metallurgy developing and expanding to facilitate civilization in already existing agricultural societies.
There is everything to suggest the Tell Abrak comb conveys symbolic meaning in the same sense as the Egyptian, the only difference is that it is not understood or appreciated,
Galena was mined in Egypt at Gebel Rasas, a few miles from the Red Sea coast - Lead - though it never found extensive application, was among the earliest metals known, specimen having been found in graves of Pre-Dynastic Period. - Iron - was known in Egypt from the early Dynastic Period but there is no neat progression to an Iron Age,
Tin - was used in the manufacture of bronze. Cobalt has been detected as a coloring agent in certain specimens of glass and glaze. Neither metal occurs naturally in Egypt, and it seems probable that supplies of tin and cobalt ores were imported from Persia.
In ancient Egypt, lapis lazuli was a favorite stone for amulets and ornaments such as scarabs. Lapis jewelry has been found at excavations of the Predynastic Egyptian site Naqada (3300–3100 BC)
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
Mining operations took place first in the Eastern desert close to the Red sea this commencing the early bronze age in Egypt, the tin for which was sourced from Iran.
Your notion of self sufficient Egypt developing the skills and resources fails because they could not have produced bronze without Iranian involvement, if only in terms of supply of tin, even if you take for granted ore identification and mining and smelting techniques developing independently.
There are early Dynastic gold and silver objects but it is thought these are also sourced from outside Egypt, particularly the silver through Mesopotamia, so while distant trade has to be accepted it seems strange that the importation of expertise cannot be.
It is true that the Hurrian expansion wasn't primarily through the development of civilization , that generally they are identified in mountainous regions and looking to exploit ores and create trading connections, but my point was that those low lying agricultural civilizations had depended on their expertise to develop.
They most likely came from the north or northeast, from the TransCaucasus or from across the Caspian Sea and were present in the mountains north of Urkeš since the fifth millennium BC, according to Buccellati and Kelly-Buccellati
Silver is described in this text as a wannumiyas DUMU, which means a child whose father is dead or missing. Hittitologists generally translate this as "orphan," Silver's consternation at being told by the orphan boy that he too was an orphan need not mean that he was discovering this for the first time.
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
They certainly existed before 3,200 BC...
They most likely came from the north or northeast, from the TransCaucasus or from across the Caspian Sea and were present in the mountains north of Urkeš since the fifth millennium BC, according to Buccellati and Kelly-Buccellati
Hurrian expansion
I don't think they introduced the general notion of Kingship, but it's a question of what relationship they established with those lands to which they were providing ores and minerals, and likely specialist smelting and crafting skills.
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“Once agriculture became the dominant mode of subsistence with an attendant reduction of spatial mobility, and enlargement of group size, and a simplification of the ecological network by focusing on a few resources the economic system became vulnerable to periodic fluctuations in agricultural yield. Given the unpredictability of Nile floods and the fact that about one of ever five floods is a ‘bad flood’, emergence of intraregional and interregional networks of food exchange fostered the emergence of a managerial elite, formal social organization, and military force” (Hassan 1984, p.223)
Polity Formation, the development of individual defined polities, apparently begins in Naqada I and consolidates in Naqada II. Kemp identifies a number of key factors which identify the concept of state as “ideology, earthly power, the enabling force of bureaucracy” and it is these type of features that we begin to see in the way in which Naqada I evolves, particularly at the site of Naqada.
During Naqada I the town of Naqada itself rose to a position of prominence and individual towns began to evolve towards local polities. As Wilkinson says (1999,2001, p.36-7) “The heartland of the technological, social, ideological economic and political changes that led to statehood was the southern part of the Nile valley”. With its roots in the successful exploitation of the Nile Valley and the Eastern Desert (Wilkinson 2003), Naqada I was the first truly organized society in ancient Egypt.
In the case of Bad Tibira and Uruk that appears to have been a close relationship which guaranteed these requirments of Sumerian civilization, even to the extent that the Dumuzid Kingship was idealized at Bad Tibura, and in a Hurrian form as Dumu is an Indo-European loan word for child and occurs in Anatolian myth relating to the Deity Silver;
There is general agreement that trade seems to have been a major aspect of Naqada II: “That trade and exchange were important factors as society in Predynastic Egypt became increasingly complex seems likely, particularly given the distribution of Predynastic craft goods in cemeteries from Gerza in the north to the Nubian A-Group in the south” (Bard 1987, p.92). A number of artefactual pointers show the extent of Egypt’s connections at this time. Pear-shaped mace-heads appear in Upper Egypt for the first time in Naqada II, and also appear at Merimde, Palestine, Iran and Tepe Gawra (level XII) and southern Mesopotamia in the Jamdat Nasr period. Cylinder seals appear in Egypt in IIc/d, both imports and copies.
Lapis lazuli was a Mesopotamian export, and there were trading villages established in north Mesopotamia including the site of Tepe Gawra where both gold and lapis are found in increasing volumes in levels XIII and X. Mark suggests that Egypt acquired its lapis from Palestine via a trading route from Mesopotamia through northern Syria to the Amuq regions and then south through Hama (p.123).
Silver is described in this text as a wannumiyas DUMU, which means a child whose father is dead or missing. Hittitologists generally translate this as "orphan," Silver's consternation at being told by the orphan boy that he too was an orphan need not mean that he was discovering this for the first time.
So looking at this model in terms of Naqada II culture it becomes a question of what relationship was established to guarantee a supply of necessary and desirable minerals and ores from the Iranian hinterland and beyond...