God creates us and loves us but if you're gay you go to hell?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: auto3000

It is a YES or NO question.


Do you? Or do you NOT - have any capacity for deep thought, empathy, compassion, and understanding of complicated ideas?

You can break it down into 4 smaller questions if you like, and take them one at a time.

Do you, or do you NOT have any capacity for:

A) deep thought? (as opposed to be shallow and vapid)

B) empathy? (look it up if you don't understand what it means)

C) compassion? (see above)

D) understanding of complicated ideas? (goes back to "deep thought")


Might wanna pull up an online dictionary before answering.
And be aware you'd need to be able to look deep inside your own bubble to answer any of those real grown-up questions.

This approach doesn't work on me, listen, you have to try not to let anyone have control over your emotions.

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: auto3000

It is a YES or NO question.


Do you? Or do you NOT - have any capacity for deep thought, empathy, compassion, and understanding of complicated ideas?

You can break it down into 4 smaller questions if you like, and take them one at a time.

Do you, or do you NOT have any capacity for:

A) deep thought? (as opposed to be shallow and vapid)

B) empathy? (look it up if you don't understand what it means)

C) compassion? (see above)

D) understanding of complicated ideas? (goes back to "deep thought")


Might wanna pull up an online dictionary before answering.
And be aware you'd need to be able to look deep inside your own bubble to answer any of those real grown-up questions.

This approach doesn't work on me, listen, you have to try not to let anyone have control over your emotions.

...including the love you share with another consenting adult?

a reply to: auto3000

That sounds like a lonesome way to live neighbour.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: auto3000

That sounds like a lonesome way to live neighbour.

Good thing it only sounds that way right?

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: auto3000

It is a YES or NO question.


Do you? Or do you NOT - have any capacity for deep thought, empathy, compassion, and understanding of complicated ideas?

You can break it down into 4 smaller questions if you like, and take them one at a time.

Do you, or do you NOT have any capacity for:

A) deep thought? (as opposed to be shallow and vapid)

B) empathy? (look it up if you don't understand what it means)

C) compassion? (see above)

D) understanding of complicated ideas? (goes back to "deep thought")


Might wanna pull up an online dictionary before answering.
And be aware you'd need to be able to look deep inside your own bubble to answer any of those real grown-up questions.

This approach doesn't work on me, listen, you have to try not to let anyone have control over your emotions.

...including the love you share with another consenting adult?

Especially the love that you share with another consenting adult, why not give it by free will and not by their influences. How can a man possibly love his enemy if his feelings are controlled by the same enemy?

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: auto3000

It is a YES or NO question.


Do you? Or do you NOT - have any capacity for deep thought, empathy, compassion, and understanding of complicated ideas?

You can break it down into 4 smaller questions if you like, and take them one at a time.

Do you, or do you NOT have any capacity for:

A) deep thought? (as opposed to be shallow and vapid)

B) empathy? (look it up if you don't understand what it means)

C) compassion? (see above)

D) understanding of complicated ideas? (goes back to "deep thought")


Might wanna pull up an online dictionary before answering.
And be aware you'd need to be able to look deep inside your own bubble to answer any of those real grown-up questions.

This approach doesn't work on me, listen, you have to try not to let anyone have control over your emotions.

...including the love you share with another consenting adult?

Especially the love that you share with another consenting adult, why not give it by free will and not by their influences. How can a man possibly love his enemy if his feelings are controlled by the same enemy?

Wait, WHAT?

Care to decrypt that statement for us?

originally posted by: markosity1973
Care to decrypt that statement for us?

Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone so all over the place and nowhere at the same time?

I can't keep up either.

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: auto3000

It is a YES or NO question.


Do you? Or do you NOT - have any capacity for deep thought, empathy, compassion, and understanding of complicated ideas?

You can break it down into 4 smaller questions if you like, and take them one at a time.

Do you, or do you NOT have any capacity for:

A) deep thought? (as opposed to be shallow and vapid)

B) empathy? (look it up if you don't understand what it means)

C) compassion? (see above)

D) understanding of complicated ideas? (goes back to "deep thought")


Might wanna pull up an online dictionary before answering.
And be aware you'd need to be able to look deep inside your own bubble to answer any of those real grown-up questions.

This approach doesn't work on me, listen, you have to try not to let anyone have control over your emotions.

...including the love you share with another consenting adult?

Especially the love that you share with another consenting adult, why not give it by free will and not by their influences. How can a man possibly love his enemy if his feelings are controlled by the same enemy?

Wait, WHAT?

Care to decrypt that statement for us?

look at humans, we decide when people are worthy of love, respect etc according to each person's own standards. Then we turn around and get offended at how someone else uses their standards against us. We love people, not because life is meaningful but, based upon how they make us feel, why is that? It's one thing to not like, especially some people's behaviors but to not love them because of how they make you feel?...I don't love another person because of their behavior, I love them despite their behavior, because their is no greater power than the will to love. There are people that you should love that you may not be able to speak to or hang around but you love them regardless.

a reply to: auto3000

My life philosophy;

Take people as they come. Treat everyone as a potential friend and don't let silly preconceptions stop you from learning about others because you jump to a conclusion about them before you have even got to know them.

a reply to: auto3000

look at humans, we decide when people are worthy of love,

I think that is the problem..

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: auto3000

look at humans, we decide when people are worthy of love,

I think that is the problem..

and I agree

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: auto3000

My life philosophy;

Take people as they come. Treat everyone as a potential friend and don't let silly preconceptions stop you from learning about others because you jump to a conclusion about them before you have even got to know them.

true

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: auto3000

It is a YES or NO question.


Do you? Or do you NOT - have any capacity for deep thought, empathy, compassion, and understanding of complicated ideas?

You can break it down into 4 smaller questions if you like, and take them one at a time.

Do you, or do you NOT have any capacity for:

A) deep thought? (as opposed to be shallow and vapid)

B) empathy? (look it up if you don't understand what it means)

C) compassion? (see above)

D) understanding of complicated ideas? (goes back to "deep thought")


Might wanna pull up an online dictionary before answering.
And be aware you'd need to be able to look deep inside your own bubble to answer any of those real grown-up questions.

This approach doesn't work on me, listen, you have to try not to let anyone have control over your emotions.

...including the love you share with another consenting adult?

Especially the love that you share with another consenting adult, why not give it by free will and not by their influences. How can a man possibly love his enemy if his feelings are controlled by the same enemy?

stockholm syndrome. not sure how that applies to this discussion though. is this enemy you speak of supposed to be god? you could have something there...reminds me of the old job story actually...

a reply to: auto3000

All in all I would "like" to believe that God does love and create us and IS understanding and forgiving. The bible says being homosexual is an abomination. So basically it's a sin. Does it say it's not forgivable is all I want to know?

a reply to: TAECOLE7

The bible says being homosexual is an abomination.

Yeah, in that particular book there is, according to SOME PEOPLE, some regulation that disallows 'homosexuality' (or at least it's expression).

So basically it's a sin.

Only according to the rules you've been instructed come from that particular book.

Does it say it's not forgivable is all I want to know?

There is NOTHING TO FORGIVE!
Being homosexual is no different than being born with blue eyes or brown skin or whatever. It just is. Some people are born like that. I am bue-eyed, and not homosexual, or brown, but I support the right of EVERY PERSON WHO IS to live as they wish with a consenting partner.

There is no "forgiveness" about it. We are human.

originally posted by: TAECOLE7
a reply to: auto3000

All in all I would "like" to believe that God does love and create us and IS understanding and forgiving. The bible says being homosexual is an abomination. So basically it's a sin. Does it say it's not forgivable is all I want to know?

Yes homosexuality is forgivable, no question
But like all sin, it must be repented of and the sinner turn away from it
Meaning their desire is to stop sinning, to actively work at breaking the chains of the sin they are bonded to
God does love His creation, Gods desire is to forgive

Homosexuality is no more a sin than pre marital sex, adultery or other listed sins in the bible.

I have met non practicing homosexuals in the church, I have also met celibate non married non homosexuals.
Go figure. It's a choice

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TAECOLE7
a reply to: auto3000

All in all I would "like" to believe that God does love and create us and IS understanding and forgiving. The bible says being homosexual is an abomination. So basically it's a sin. Does it say it's not forgivable is all I want to know?

Yes homosexuality is forgivable, no question
But like all sin, it must be repented of and the sinner turn away from it
Meaning their desire is to stop sinning, to actively work at breaking the chains of the sin they are bonded to
God does love His creation, Gods desire is to forgive

Homosexuality is no more a sin than pre marital sex, adultery or other listed sins in the bible.

I have met non practicing homosexuals in the church, I have also met celibate non married non homosexuals.
Go figure. It's a choice

This is the double jeopardy line of thinking that really gets the gay community a little upset.

Not attacking you personally here, so please bear that in mind, but.....

A) We have no choice in our sexuality.

Therefore

B) According to 'the rules' our only option is to live a life of celibacy

Because

C) Gay relationships are considered inferior, immoral and invalid.

It is classic religious hypocrisy - we're left in a position where we are damned if we do - literally to hell apparently. And we are damned if we don't - to a life of loneliness and void of intimacy.

Why should living our lives the way we were created be a sin in the first place? The bible says nothing beyond "God is a homophobe'

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TAECOLE7
a reply to: auto3000

All in all I would "like" to believe that God does love and create us and IS understanding and forgiving. The bible says being homosexual is an abomination. So basically it's a sin. Does it say it's not forgivable is all I want to know?

Yes homosexuality is forgivable, no question
But like all sin, it must be repented of and the sinner turn away from it
Meaning their desire is to stop sinning, to actively work at breaking the chains of the sin they are bonded to
God does love His creation, Gods desire is to forgive

Homosexuality is no more a sin than pre marital sex, adultery or other listed sins in the bible.

I have met non practicing homosexuals in the church, I have also met celibate non married non homosexuals.
Go figure. It's a choice

This is the double jeopardy line of thinking that really gets the gay community a little upset.

Not attacking you personally here, so please bear that in mind, but.....

A) We have no choice in our sexuality.

Therefore

B) According to 'the rules' our only option is to live a life of celibacy

Because

C) Gay relationships are considered inferior, immoral and invalid.

It is classic religious hypocrisy - we're left in a position where we are damned if we do - literally to hell apparently. And we are damned if we don't - to a life of loneliness and void of intimacy.

Why should living our lives the way we were created be a sin in the first place? The bible says nothing beyond "God is a homophobe'

Also, it's a sin to remarry as long as your ex-spouse is alive. So people on their second marriages are living in sin every single day they are married. They are every bit as "sinful" as a sexually-active homosexual.

a reply to: Abysha

True - which is why Catholicism does not believe in divorce.

A tiny hypocritical nugget always brushed under the carpet by many.

a reply to: markosity1973

I could argue that and then some but

Many people have been damned to a life of loneliness and void of intimacy.
The thing is, sex doesnt stop loneliness and intimacy.
I know people who are married and damned to a lack of intimacy and are lonely but get lots of sex...

God is not afraid of homosexuals, not afraid of adulterers or whatever. Thats a sad response, sad argument.

God has said it against His will, its not my call, its His rules.
If it was up to me, get married, live your lives, have fun, care and love, I didnt make the rules
I dont have an answer, I might understand how you must feel, its not an easy life, but you choose your own direction.
I dont know the reason but I trust Him to make good and fair decisions based on us and His love for us. I accept God is right.

Anyway, no one, not a single person is living their lives the way they were created, we all carry the burden of sin.