God creates us and loves us but if you're gay you go to hell?

a reply to: EveryUsernameWasTaken

They *had* feelings for women but later on they *also* got attracted to men.

Where did you come up with this - any study's?

People who do believe in God know that having intercourse with the opposite gender is going against nature

You ignore that even animals practise homosexuality?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: AMPTAH

i am willing to bet that mount athos is one of the top ten boring cities/countries on earth for anyone who is not a dedicated monk. and your suggestion that a person be a boring reclusive hermit rather than gay is laughable,

Look at how much fun you're having reading and posting on ATS.

Yet, this is all mental activity.

It's not boring, is it?

Do you really think the monks, who spend all their time in contemplation, are doing something boring?

a reply to: AMPTAH

No, you just gave me propaganda that supports your opinion.

a reply to: RiptKeys

Which means you cannot be born with it

And yet you deny the reality that people are born gay - your really need to get out of your closet, this is 2017.
You also can't account for the different religions that the Roman/Jewish/Christian Cult didn't spread to like the billions in the East

a reply to: AMPTAH

God frowns on discarding the wives. For example, he is certainly frowning on Donald Trump for getting rid of each wife when he thinks she is no longer a "10", and going for the younger model

Oh dear, you certainly are in need of better communication skills if you cant talk in a religious forum without bringing Trump into it.

a reply to: markosity1973

In fact the self righteous judgemental christian that doesn't reach out to help a troubled person whether depressed or gay but gives out hate is the type of person that Jesus admonished. They would do well to reread their own propaganda

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
Oh dear, you certainly are in need of better communication skills if you cant talk in a religious forum without bringing Trump into it.

Trump is the current reference point for conversations. Everyone is aware of him. He is like the "glue" in dialog s between people from different backgrounds. A musician and a scientist can both understand each other by referencing things about The Donald. Trump is just a convenient device to fill the dialog with common elements, so everyone can see the point.

This has always been the primary role of Presidents, Kings, and Emperors. They give the common folk their glue points in daily conversations.

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: AMPTAH

No, you just gave me propaganda that supports your opinion.

Well, you gave me a story that urges are insurmountable.

That was just your propaganda. It makes you feel justified, in your own opinion, that you cannot change.

a reply to: Cinrad

More than that, if you ask Him, Jesus will come in to your life and actually change the way you feel and things you want to do and actually make it possible to live a good life free from sin. You will still let the corrupt flesh dominate your spirit some times, and then you repent and accept what Jesus did for you.

Like that's helped out the countless paedophile priests who continue their abhorrent crimes!

a reply to: markosity1973

e. She calls it mother's instinct. She thought she had given birth to something wonderful like a saint. Imagine her disappointment when she found out that I am just plain old gay. Even she admits now that I am 43 that what she sensed was my sexuality.

Which is great, she came to accept that the difference she experienced in retrospect was you gayness not you saintliness. You didnt give actually time period's but you also should accept that, after you were born, she kept sensing something wonderful about you prior to you acknowledging your sexuality.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: auto3000

Okay well, I think my point is very clear, and maybe people get upset because you don't actually address what they are saying. My position is that the idea that the Bible teaches that homosexual sex is unforgivable is misreading of the text. I asked where you pulled your information from first so as to make sure I didn't miss something. Am I wrong?

The OP was asking the ATS family for their thoughts. The post are actual feelings that homosexuals has conveyed to me when concerning God.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

Like that's helped out the countless paedophile priests who continue their abhorrent crimes!

Unfortunately, the Devil also comes into the life of priests, since Satan's whole goal is to steal God's glory by tempting and turning those striving to be holy to his evil ways.

The higher up you go, the more difficult it becomes to avoid the Devils attention.

Jesus himself had to deal with the Devil who tempted him in the desert. So, the closer someone gets to Jesus, the more likely they'll see something of the Devil too, as he tries to derail their path.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: auto3000

Which God, last I looked there were 6-7 major faith's, not all of them subscribe to Hell.

There are many gods but only one God.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

Like that's helped out the countless paedophile priests who continue their abhorrent crimes!

Unfortunately, the Devil also comes into the life of priests, since Satan's whole goal is to steal God's glory by tempting and turning those striving to be holy to his evil ways.

The higher up you go, the more difficult it becomes to avoid the Devils attention.

Jesus himself had to deal with the Devil who tempted him in the desert. So, the closer someone gets to Jesus, the more likely they'll see something of the Devil too, as he tries to derail their path.

The devil is not an entity... its materialism

Take a hard look at what "the devil" offered Jesus... everything he could have taken himself

The devil is non existent... its something within... just has heaven is within/and without

a reply to: auto3000

Am I allowed to respond? Unless we were up there at the Mount when God gave Moses the Commandments we really have no clue.
I dont buy Saul/Pauls conversion on the road to Damascus.

Specifically if god is omnipresent/omniscient infinite you can never really guess what its standard's are, unless it appears in the flesh telling me that it somehow got it wrong and then needed a "pre-existing" son (Trinity) to be crusified because it allowed temptation in Eden, and admitted that even god isnt sure about free will/predestination, then I may listen to....NOT REALLY - the Gnostics told us to be wary of the Deimurge

a reply to: openminded2011

LOL...keep believing that you sinned because of Adam...and yet it even says in the bible that generational sin only lasts upto the 3rd generation if I'm not mistaken.

Jesus even kept to the Jewish Law (no one could catch him out on scripture remember that bit in the New Testament?)

And yet people follow the old Roman Empire that turned the man into a cult following, making up stories about a virgin birth and a resurrection

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

HE didn't really keep all the law...

Which is why i speculate that he wasn't talking about the law of Moses when he stated "not one jot or tittle" will pass till all is fulfilled

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: auto3000

Okay well, I think my point is very clear, and maybe people get upset because you don't actually address what they are saying. My position is that the idea that the Bible teaches that homosexual sex is unforgivable is misreading of the text. I asked where you pulled your information from first so as to make sure I didn't miss something. Am I wrong?

yeah, it sucks when the ultimate guide to spirituality and moral behavior is written so weirdly that the simplest of concepts become distorted and confusing and leads to 400,000 different ideas about what the book actually says. it gets even weirder when you think about how allegedly a substantial portion of the information was imparted by a supernatural entity who has never bothered to come back and clarify its contents for us hundreds of years later.

TMW the divine government makes the american government look competent.

There's an objective to understanding The Bible and you'll notice that many people pick their own approach despite this and through reasoning arrive at different conclusions. We would see similar results if a test group having no idea what the objective of the game of golf was and was allowed to approach according to however they thought. Those knowing and understanding the objective can either correct them and be seen as a know it all to some or just take the understanding route and say "we all have our own truth" and let them play golf as the feel.

a reply to: AMPTAH

We are in the LGBT times. President Obama just legalized Gay and Lesbian marriage. That's our reference point, to see where we are, and what is coming next.

Well one can just as easily say we are in the Nephilim stage as there's just as much evidence that alien/human hybrid's are walking the earth - you cant discount that as its also biblical.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: auto3000

Am I allowed to respond? Unless we were up there at the Mount when God gave Moses the Commandments we really have no clue.
I dont buy Saul/Pauls conversion on the road to Damascus.

Specifically if god is omnipresent/omniscient infinite you can never really guess what its standard's are, unless it appears in the flesh telling me that it somehow got it wrong and then needed a "pre-existing" son (Trinity) to be crusified because it allowed temptation in Eden, and admitted that even god isnt sure about free will/predestination, then I may listen to....NOT REALLY - the Gnostics told us to be wary of the Deimurge

This begins to get into the "unknown God" belief: sure, I believe he exist but, I'm not certain as to how I would know anything beyond that.