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originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: mikegrouchy
The family says that "something got to him".
Yes, we all got that. And from their point of view, he went into the service ok and came out nuts.
But in your early 20's, your head rewires a lot of connections. Trims out and discards things you didn't use as a kid. When that happens, sometimes it #s up. And a common wiring mistake produces paranoid schizophrenia. And the features of that are often illogical thought, and hallucinations.
originally posted by: mikegrouchy
I find it interesting that the Navy Yard shooter claimed something similar.
originally posted by: 3daysgone
Yeah. Either that, or he is telling the truth.
originally posted by: 3daysgone
The system let this guy down along with his victims, no matter how you look at it. Not only could it have been stopped, it should have been stopped, but wasn't.
originally posted by: Bedlam
James Tilly Matthews claimed something similar in like 1820. Only he blamed the 'AirLoom'. Fascinating study. He claimed that a governmental agency had a machine called the AirLoom that could control people's thoughts at a distance. He claimed he had been implanted with a magnet, which allowed teams of dwarves to read his thoughts and control his actions with bar magnets they carried. He claimed he was being gangstalked. Pretty much every facet of modern schizophrenic thought, he documented at some point. It's really amazing that there is this commonality of experience.
Yeah. Either that, or he is telling the truth.
originally posted by: mikegrouchy
If we are bringing in supporting cases, here are a few more.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: 3daysgone
The system let this guy down along with his victims, no matter how you look at it. Not only could it have been stopped, it should have been stopped, but wasn't.
Which part do you see having the right to lock the guy up for being schizophrenic?
originally posted by: Dan00
a reply to: 3daysgone
Yeah. Either that, or he is telling the truth.
Christ-on-a-crutch.
No.
After all of that?
You're my friend now.
I can't let an friend continue on in such ignorance.
Esteban? Steve?
He was sick.
His family didn't know what to do.
You want an end to this?
It's education,
You just had some.
Yet you persist.
Which is admirable.
But WTF?!!!
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
Couldn't the fbi have escorted the guy to the local state hospital for a 72 hr hold for psych evaluation. That's legal and the right thing to do. After the guy, if schizophrenic, has been medicated and leveled out then the fbi follow up when he's cleared for release.
I understand the fbis not equipped to handle things like that but a ride or a call in to the state hospital isn't hard.
"hey Joe, this guy's nuts, talking about Isis and mind control stuff, what do we do? " " call the state Hospital to pick him up for a 72 hr psych evaluation and follow up to see if he just was schizophrenic "
originally posted by: 3daysgone
The part were he murdered people. The part that came to past because his government let him down.
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
Couldn't the fbi have escorted the guy to the local state hospital for a 72 hr hold for psych evaluation. That's legal...
originally posted by: mikegrouchy
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
Couldn't the fbi have escorted the guy to the local state hospital for a 72 hr hold for psych evaluation. That's legal and the right thing to do. After the guy, if schizophrenic, has been medicated and leveled out then the fbi follow up when he's cleared for release.
I understand the fbis not equipped to handle things like that but a ride or a call in to the state hospital isn't hard.
"hey Joe, this guy's nuts, talking about Isis and mind control stuff, what do we do? " " call the state Hospital to pick him up for a 72 hr psych evaluation and follow up to see if he just was schizophrenic "
If we take the suspect at his word it is the C.I.A.'s fault.
What can the F.B.I. actually do to the C.I.A. ?
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: 3daysgone
The part were he murdered people. The part that came to past because his government let him down.
You're doing the time travel thing again. Without looking into the future, at which point could you have known 'this guy will murder five people in January'? You can't go around arresting someone for future events you don't know will come to pass.
The government didn't "let him down", either. There's no law that says you can forcibly treat the mentally ill and isolate or imprison them. Unless they meet really specific criteria, which he didn't.