Trump to Fund Wall by US not Mexico

originally posted by: goou111
What exactly is the point of a wall? Mexicans have ladders... And shovels..

And boats. And hammers. And energy. And when they get here, JOBS!

Just seems so pointless.

Oh, but there's a point!
The taxpayers are being called on to pay for this "wall" and also to BUILD IT. I see a work-for-welfare sort of arrangement here. Maybe prisoners..(chain gangs!)
It's just veiled socialism ---- to give the rabble something to do to keep them busy at the same time they pay their own wages in exchange for shelter and food. Except the rest of us chip in, too. Just like we do for WALMART EMPLOYEES who don't earn a living wage.

At least this time the workers can STRIKE. If they are brave enough, and band together.....

This is no different than 9 years ago when we were mustered financially --- our tax dollars went to bail out THE BANKS. But, see, we didn't get to be bankers because of it. We had no say-so in how they used the money ----- or whether they prosecuted or fined or sanctioned the perpetrators...

no. We had to pay, but weren't given a voice.

You guys want a wall? YOUR TAXES will pay the wages for those people WHO ARE BUILDING IT (including your own, if you get a job building it...because you wanted a job, right?). Your wall. YOUR TAXES....YOUR WALL. You STILL want a wall? Do you have the skills and know-how and ability to develop a plan, implement it, staff it, and achieve this "wall"?

Is that really the best way to deal with this? Maybe it is. Put the complainers to work ---- I'd prefer highways and bridges, but whatever.
Do you not see FDR's "New Deal" in all of this?

You all say you don't want "social safety nets" -- you want everything "privatized" - right?
But this stupid "wall" is the very epitome of what you represent.....

See, I'm beginning to see how Trump really had no intention of doing any of those things he promised you. She won't be locked up. Mexico won't 'pay for the wall' and the millions of Mexicans here who are working and contributing to society won't be rounded up and deported. Except maybe an indentured population who has to BUILD THE DAMN WALL.

It's sick thinking, but very human. Que barbaridad!

It's comforting at the same time that it's hilarious ----
every time Trump is called "behind doors" to talk to TPTB, he shifts his remarks.

Yeah - NOT GOING TO PROSECUTE (lock up) Hillary.

Yeah - Mexico won't pay for the wall.

Yeah - Obamacare has some really good stuff in it that we're going to keep.

Yeah - this new Airforce One plane is too spendy.

Yeah - we'll do roads and bridges but with foreign-made steel.

Yeah - we won't be doing deals with the Koch brothers.

Yeah - Climate Change is actually really real, and everyone knows it.



*chuckle*
*clears throat*

What's most gratifying is that he's walking back ALL of the ugliness he projected [to get the electoral college - even if it meant losing the popular vote.....].

Even though those things above are "good" - he has Goldman Sachs, Exxon Mobile, Jeff Sessions, Bannon, et al in his cabinet.


Be careful what you wish for!!!

lol

Ironic. Don't you think?
Not that I'm now a fan, but it's fascinating to watch him floundering now that he's in the biglies. I mean "BIG LEAGUES."

This is what he wanted. Now he gets to live it out loud.
Very riveting, all else being equal.

a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

He got elected. Enough people believed his lies.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Wait until two weeks from now. When he's sitting at that desk asking himself "what was I thinking.???"

Every time he meets with the real minds he changes his song. He's a regular mocking bird.
Which is a shame because I love mocking birds.

a reply to: Sillyolme

I'm not sure he's capable of doing that ----- but then, I think:
What if he's just that good of an actor? What if somehow his very existence is on the line to the world's worst thugs and criminals? What if he's so intimidated by what he's learning 'behind doors' that he now realizes what he has gotten himself into.

I mean, really ------ his history of connection to the mob, the banks, the lawyers, the "Manhattan elite" ------
he is a product of his time, and his upbringing. Obama was also a product of his time....he [Obama] is my "cohort".

I am just now entertaining an idea that Trump is NOT so incapable as to allow himself to be publically flayed like he is. There is some very deeply embedded conspiracy here......

of that I am certain.
And due to that I hang around here.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You're witnessing the melt down of his super ego that's all. He needs us to think he smart and in control but his ideas are sophomoric and ill informed because he's not as smart as he wants us to think.
His constant pheonix behaviors make him appear to have some dissociative characteristics but he is just adapting the views of those he respects or is told to respect or who he fears.
He's getting an education now like he's never had before and he's realising that his side show campaign was based on promises he won't be able to keep.
Perhaps some research then could have prevented this public about face now.

The wall is absolutely needed. All the Mexicans illegals vote Democrat. Case in point, southern California, southern Texas, bordering Mexico. Never in history has a foreign government so greatly intervened in US elections. There are millions of Mexican illegals in southern California and southern Texas. Mexico still thinks California and Texas were stolen from Mexico.

originally posted by: Sillyolme

Hey here's an idea.
Stop hiring them and we won't need a wall.

I'll never understand why this aspect is never talked about by our "great leaders".
Oh, nevermind, yes I do. It would cut into their all important profits...

"According to a recent study, one of the largest looming--- and largely pointless --- threats to wildlife in the southwest is the border wall.""Border Fence Impacts Wildlife But Not Immigration"

www.defendersblog.org...


Get real...Darth Devious - a.k.a. Donald J. Trump

originally posted by: cavedweller88
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

What hand outs are you referring to? Illegal immagants cannot apply for public assistance.

Sure they can. It is very easy for them to get a fake Social security number and fake identification. I know a guy that did it and collected unemployment for 2 years...

He told me all he did was drive down into downtown LA and there were a bunch of people on street corners selling them. This was about 5 years ago. He has now become an actual citizen.

a reply to: kurthall

I also heard the drug runners use catapults too fling the drug bundles over the border wall.


www.abcnews.go.com...

www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com...

The people escaping their own government(s) with free access across the border will be the ones paying the bill...

Their free access will end. They will have to produce papers just like we do when we cross the border...

Just come clean with us and we wouldn't fret so hard about your baggage?

a reply to: Olivine

Exactly. It's like when people complain about outsourcing, yet still buy outsourced products & work for foreign companies that outsourced their jobs here. Or the people who complain about gangs and cartels, yet still buy their illegal products. They don't really want to solve the problem; they just want to give the appearance that they care to the rest of society.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

It's like he's having the bandages ripped off & seeing the ugly truth for himself.

I remember a paraphrased quote from Clinton (Bill) where he said that the biggest surprise when becoming President was learning how much his hands were tied. I'm not even sure where I'd look to find the exact quote, though.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

You called me out by claiming that all financial transactions were recorded.

apologies, I didn't clarify. I meant all digital financial transactions are recorded. Cash in hand transactions OBVIOUSLY are not. I didn't know I needed to spell that out.

Before you kneejerk respond, try to remember the context here. Supposedly one way that Trump is going to get Mexico to pay for his wall is by seizing portions of remittances going from Mexican workers to their families back in Mexico

The majority of money sent to Mexico is done electronically. That is all recorded. For financial institutions to conduct business in the US they have to comply with US law. If US law is written to state that all money transfers from USA to Mexico now require a 35% tax, the financial institution will charge a 35% tax, or be closed down.

a reply to: DJW001

I can't believe you have never heard of the concept "under the table." Undocumented workers are usually paid under the table.

Undocumented workers are always paid under the table. Most illegal immigrants have documentation though.

Banks deal with enough red tape as it is. They will not welcome yet another law that requires them to report transactions to the government.

If it's written into law they will either follow it or be forced to shut down business in the US. That's how laws work.

If remittances to Mexico through the above ground banking system get taxed, Mexicans working in the United States will find other ways to send money home.

That's quite obvious. However, most (not all) of those methods will be detected. Then the tax becomes 100%, as in it's an illegal transaction and the money is confiscated, all of it. The majority of money sent will still run through legit money transfer services, which will charge a 35% tax on transfers from the US to Mexico.

My wall design is better. auto matic robotic sentry guns placed every 500 yards loaded with tear gas and Ap rounds if need be. Equip them with cameras and employ drone operators to monitor the wall 24/7. Invaders will be shot.

a reply to: Vector99

apologies, I didn't clarify. I meant all digital financial transactions are recorded. Cash in hand transactions OBVIOUSLY are not. I didn't know I needed to spell that out.

No worries. Although yes, clarifying this in your previous posts would've avoided all of this. I pointed out a lot of examples over multiple posts about cash transactions, transactions between family, and even transactions in fields that undocumented workers would use if they were trying to avoid detection.

Since I'm assuming that the majority of undocumented workers would try to stay out of sight and away from scrutiny for deportation purposes, I'm assuming that the majority of legit transactions that you're referring to are from legal guest workers, citizens, and organizations. So I don't see why the legal citizens, legal guest workers, and legal institutions should be responsible for paying for the wall.

The majority of money sent to Mexico is done electronically. That is all recorded. For financial institutions to conduct business in the US they have to comply with US law. If US law is written to state that all money transfers from USA to Mexico now require a 35% tax, the financial institution will charge a 35% tax, or be closed down.

Correction on one thing: The majority of reported & known money sent to Mexico is done electronically. Also, would those "transfers" be taxed if they're something like an Ebay, Paypal, or Amazon.com type purchase? Or if a US based company is transferring money to one of its Mexican subsidiaries? Or even a US citizen being a tourist in Mexico, using their US based checking or credit card account to pay for the transaction?

I'm asking that because when I was in Mexico, I used credit cards, US Dollars, Pesos, and wiring. I didn't have a chance or need to try Paypal, but I'd have been pissed if there was a 35% Trump Wall tax on my transactions as an American citizen. If the goal is supposedly to get Mexico to pay for it and not American taxpayers, they'd have to find a way to differentiate between the nationalities of the people sending and receiving the money.

originally posted by: cavedweller88
The move would break a key campaign promise when Trump repeatedly said he would force Mexico to pay for the construction of the wall along the border...

Who could have seen this coming? Besides literally everyone with a brain.

originally posted by: cavedweller88

(CNN) President-elect Donald Trump's transition team has signaled to congressional Republican leaders that his preference is to fund the border wall through the appropriations process as soon as April, according to House Republican officials.

The move would break a key campaign promise when Trump repeatedly said he would force Mexico to pay for the construction of the wall along the border, though in October, Trump suggested for the first time that Mexico would reimburse the US for the cost of the wall.

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Seems like Trump may have US fund border wall in hopes Mexico will repay us in the future (good luck with that). If this is true, you Trump supporters should be pissed.

Not to sure how any Trump supporters could be p*ssed at something like this. It is what it is. Just because he said it, does not mean it would go so smoothly as he put it initially. However I can make a very good guess that he will follow up on his promise. This to me sounds like he wants things done and fast, so sometimes someone has the bite the bullet.