Third Industrial Revolution - system update 3.0

a reply to: Tranceopticalinclined

The world isn't that grim. It's what you make of a situation.

a reply to: supermilkman

Last time I looked around, it's seemed about as such.

We have made such leaps and bounds in technology and social culture, but these people in this broken structure, fail to properly address the needs of the people of the very country they live in.

to me, 535+ ( 100 senators, 435 representatives ) people who have failed to really get things right for over 4 decades.

To me that's a grim failure.

It's not hard to do the right thing, we do it everyday, it's how " we the people " live our lives. It's about time we hold our representatives to the same level of accountability.

You listen to your people and you make things happen.

Frankly I'm tired of the excuses.

Some of these things are great ideas, some appear to be ideological conversion attempts.

Try to hone in on the important aspects that can serve as a foundation for growth, rather than trying to change everything. Then, actually work towards it in your own life rather than waiting for everyone else to do it for you.

I think the most critical thing for all of us to learn is how to live, and even actively cooperate, with others that see things differently. And do that without spending all of our time trying to convert each other. I firmly believe our common goals are common enough that we do NOT need to have a global unifying ideology beyond the capability and willingness to work together. The rest will fall in place naturally and will likely be different than we think it will be.

As it is, when our opponents "lose," we consider it a "win." Even if during the process, we shoot our own feet countless times over.

originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
a reply to: supermilkman

Last time I looked around, it's seemed about as such.

We have made such leaps and bounds in technology and social culture, but these people in this broken structure, fail to properly address the needs of the people of the very country they live in.

to me, 535+ ( 100 senators, 435 representatives ) people who have failed to really get things right for over 4 decades.

To me that's a grim failure.

It's not hard to do the right thing, we do it everyday, it's how " we the people " live our lives. It's about time we hold our representatives to the same level of accountability.

You listen to your people and you make things happen.

Frankly I'm tired of the excuses.

One thing I've learned about rich business type is that they're constantly seeking a way to get richer.

I'm sure if you have the appropriate credentials and network, you could give some suggestions to people and they might implement them. A thought left unsaid is just a thought.

If you bring more awareness and spread more information you can eventually get ideas realized.

I think it's engineers that are going to solve the world's problem. Go to your local court house or a firm, give them the blue prints, then they might actually put your ideas into plan.

The free throw never attempted is the free throw never made.

If push comes to show and our rich officials are too apathetic too actually listen to the lower classes then there will be unrests. Agenda 21 is already asking for redistribution of wealth.

So unless they want to give up all their money they're better off investing in job creation, updating our grid, start over with a new currency and erase all debt.

The lower class would actually have breathing room and can pick themselves up through hard work and discipline instead of having full-blown communism.

I think most can agree that the politicians have gotten too big for their britches and if they were smart they should start taking people's requests more seriously.

Other than that I still think life isn't totally abysmal (at least not for me).

originally posted by: Serdgiam
Some of these things are great ideas, some appear to be ideological conversion attempts.

Try to hone in on the important aspects that can serve as a foundation for growth, rather than trying to change everything. Then, actually work towards it in your own life rather than waiting for everyone else to do it for you.

I think the most critical thing for all of us to learn is how to live, and even actively cooperate, with others that see things differently. And do that without spending all of our time trying to convert each other. I firmly believe our common goals are common enough that we do NOT need to have a global unifying ideology beyond the capability and willingness to work together. The rest will fall in place naturally and will likely be different than we think it will be.

As it is, when our opponents "lose," we consider it a "win." Even if during the process, we shoot our own feet countless times over.

I don't expect the entire world to be in unison. That's unrealistic. I mostly suggest a new currency and focusing on science and technology. Everyone has their niche so I don't expect everyone to be in agreement with each other.

Also from an engineering perspective debate is good. It leads to brain-storming. You don't need to convert anyone to any ideology as you can go on youtube and already see the the different "doors of perception" going on the world.

Scholars have theorized that society would resort to neotribalism. People will choose their entourage based on their value system. Musicians will associate with other musicians. Culinary specialists with other cooks. Farmers with other farmers. Computer programmers with other programmers.

In stoicism they teach it's better to associate with others that share same interests and goals. If you're a genius mathematician then I wouldn't expect them to relate with someone that is a "rock."

Right now I've actually downloaded a bunch of apps and am trying to learn programming. Got an autocad program too. Used it in high school but now am really want to get into drafting. It's a little overhead my head but that's why I'm on the net learning.

a reply to: supermilkman

You make some good points and by some I mean a few. This reads as a totalitarian script from many works of literature, V for Vendetta comes to mind since I watched the movie recently. Also forced to not eat meat... on that alone I'd never get behind this. Move to China much of what you want is already in place there.

So this is venus project 2.0.

OP advocates a police state as progressive, interesting. cameras, everywhere, unpopular opinions censored, food consumption regulated, employment regulated, and the OP has not gone over it all. This is a regulated citizenry. I would guess various hobbies would be banned and mainly proggie finger painting hobbies would be encouraged.

Tell you what, once we have faster than light tech, Our different radical ideologies can all go to their own planet, then we'll know the truth.

This is what we should do. Wait for the singularity(ai surpasses human IQ) then ask the ai what is the best system that includes growth, innovation, liberty. sit back and wait 20 years.

a reply to: supermilkman

Well, things like currency, cameras, etc. *require* people be in unison, or at the very least meekly submit. Under current systems and approaches, I think things like that would be very bad. Honestly, a lot of the proposals are well in the works as products and tools of the same systems we have always had (look into agenda 21, codex alimentarius, etc.).

I would propose that an entirely new monetary system would be superior to just a shift in the type of currency. Things like changing the type are already well in play with the euro, the proposed Amero, etc. Personally, I'm not convinced different pictures on the paper will solve anything.

I'm also not convinced that true progress will be made under existing concepts and cultures. In that, we would need to design something that is explicitly open ended so that it can allow for changes that we may not be able to currently imagine. In my opinion, we have never advanced beyond feudalism. A social system that I personally believe started to take shape during the birth of agriculturalism.

If you look at the threads that I've made, you might notice we have similar goals in this. I believe the key is NOT to focus on specifics, but in designing foundational systems and then seeing what specifics emerge from that. The trick would be incentivizing the system to achieve the desired results. We get what we have today due to what is, and is not, incentivized. We live in a bit of a false prisoners dilemma, IMO.

For CAD, I would suggest designspark mechanical and freecad, unless you have something like student access to solidworks. Between the two, you will have a real powerhouse for everything from general design to 3D printing to CNC. Also check out codeacademy.com for learning some languages. I would suggest Python and some C variant. Bashscript can also be incredibly useful, though I'm not sure that is available on CA.

Personally, I have focused on just a few basic, but major, pillars. Technology to meet basic needs regardless of class or ability, and ones that are designed to facilitate contribution to society. With a strong focus on providing tools to achieve rather than the end product (currency, in this case). And then a pay system that will work in real time that can be adjusted on a per community, scalable basis.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Agreed.. food and the preparation of food is an art form, it would be sad if we ended up in a world where nobody even cooked.. Total disaster.

There's some interesting ideas in here but some of them are kind of totalitarian, only being able to have children between 20-25? That's pretty extreme, and crazy.. You think people would want that? And why have cameras everywhere? I hate this control freak tendency.

I too would like to see a revolution of our societies in a similar manner of which you speak, something along the same lines in magnitude.. But I don't know how something that fundamentally upsetting could ever be accomplished in some kind of a grand project. It would have to happen successively.. I guess we'll have to see how we get there, if we get there at all. There's much promise in the power of technology..

a reply to: supermilkman

I could have pointed to many of your earlier posts above as untenable.
Your understanding of inflation however says it all. Inflation will not be "solved" by a new currency.

Inflation is created by Governments to pay off their debt to the people; pay them in tomorrow's dollars.

www.economicshelp.org...

originally posted by: NoJoker13
a reply to: supermilkman

You make some good points and by some I mean a few. This reads as a totalitarian script from many works of literature, V for Vendetta comes to mind since I watched the movie recently. Also forced to not eat meat... on that alone I'd never get behind this. Move to China much of what you want is already in place there.

A ban on meat consumption is to prevent spreading of BSE pathogens. I have also posted about synthetic meat and plant protein which tastes just like regular meat.

And I actually don't support a totalitarian system. I think freewill is important (so as long as it doesn't harm others.)

I'm not asking society to be totally micromanaged, I'm just giving suggestions to improve on pre-existing industry. If anything there would be more freedom with automation. People would work less and have more free time to relax or focus on the arts and science.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: supermilkman

Well, things like currency, cameras, etc. *require* people be in unison, or at the very least meekly submit. Under current systems and approaches, I think things like that would be very bad. Honestly, a lot of the proposals are well in the works as products and tools of the same systems we have always had (look into agenda 21, codex alimentarius, etc.).

New currency would be to eliminate national debt, overcome disparity with our trading partners, and allow universal basic income. It would be like a jubilee.

Cameras are too prevent crime in the public. If something happens police would simply have to go back to footage to find out what happened instead of using unreliable witness testimony.

I would propose that an entirely new monetary system would be superior to just a shift in the type of currency. Things like changing the type are already well in play with the euro, the proposed Amero, etc. Personally, I'm not convinced different pictures on the paper will solve anything.

Yes, we need a new global currency. The Federal Reserve and other banking systems are dated.

I'm also not convinced that true progress will be made under existing concepts and cultures. In that, we would need to design something that is explicitly open ended so that it can allow for changes that we may not be able to currently imagine. In my opinion, we have never advanced beyond feudalism. A social system that I personally believe started to take shape during the birth of agriculturalism.

I'm not into cultures as much. I'm more into physical sciences. Social sciences are based on assumptions. Physical sciences are verifiable.

If you look at the threads that I've made, you might notice we have similar goals in this. I believe the key is NOT to focus on specifics, but in designing foundational systems and then seeing what specifics emerge from that. The trick would be incentivizing the system to achieve the desired results. We get what we have today due to what is, and is not, incentivized. We live in a bit of a false prisoners dilemma, IMO.

So improve the system, right? Keep the good, throw away the bad?

For CAD, I would suggest designspark mechanical and freecad, unless you have something like student access to solidworks. Between the two, you will have a real powerhouse for everything from general design to 3D printing to CNC. Also check out codeacademy.com for learning some languages. I would suggest Python and some C variant. Bashscript can also be incredibly useful, though I'm not sure that is available on CA.

I'll check out those programs. I'm on a tablet so it's not really good for stuff like this but I'm going to watch more tutorials. Honestly I don't think I'll ever figure out the advanced stuff but I'm going to try.

Personally, I have focused on just a few basic, but major, pillars. Technology to meet basic needs regardless of class or ability, and ones that are designed to facilitate contribution to society. With a strong focus on providing tools to achieve rather than the end product (currency, in this case). And then a pay system that will work in real time that can be adjusted on a per community, scalable basis.

In my opinion, technology and science (that is applied properly) will solve much of our problems. The biggest solution I see with technology is automation which I will keep iterating. Let the robots do the work. 40(+) hr work weeks aren't necessary anymore.

24/7 industry, 4 hour work days, and optional rotating shifts would be a better business model. Guy works for 4 hours in a warehouse then relieved by somebody else that does a 4 hour work shift and so on and so forth. If one desires more work hours then that can happen too.

This can only happen with a new currency with changed value. In other words the new currency will have more buying power.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: supermilkman

I could have pointed to many of your earlier posts above as untenable.
Your understanding of inflation however says it all. Inflation will not be "solved" by a new currency.

Inflation is created by Governments to pay off their debt to the people; pay them in tomorrow's dollars.

www.economicshelp.org...

No, consumer price index is too high. Cost of products and services is too expensive. That is why you see so many people complaining that their income isn't sufficient enough to pay their rent, utilities, groceries, insurance, gas etc.

Why do you think there is a Fight for $15 campaign going on? Obviously raising minimun wage is only going to raise the cost to everything else so there's no other solution except to start over with a new currency.

The Federal Reserve is dated. The new currency also has to be regulated by a government entity like the Department of Treasury. The Federal Reserve is privately owned (which isn't good.)

The Federal Reserve Banks are not a part of the federal government, but they exist because of an act of Congress. Their purpose is to serve the public. ... While the Board of Governors is an independent government agency, the Federal Reserve Banks are set up like private corporations. - stlouisfed.org

originally posted by: DeadMoonJester
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Agreed.. food and the preparation of food is an art form, it would be sad if we ended up in a world where nobody even cooked.. Total disaster.

Not all restaurants have to be automated. Regular restaurants can still exist. So can automated restaurants. This would create variety in the markets.

There's some interesting ideas in here but some of them are kind of totalitarian, only being able to have children between 20-25? That's pretty extreme, and crazy.. You think people would want that? And why have cameras everywhere? I hate this control freak tendency.

Over-crowding is a real issue. Mostly in other countries, not so much in western ones. Better city planning and laws to circumvent over-population will help in the long run.

I too would like to see a revolution of our societies in a similar manner of which you speak, something along the same lines in magnitude.. But I don't know how something that fundamentally upsetting could ever be accomplished in some kind of a grand project. It would have to happen successively.. I guess we'll have to see how we get there, if we get there at all. There's much promise in the power of technology..

I'm not suggesting anything radical. Personally I think society is better than the 15th century or whatever. These are just suggestions to make things even better. It's not that deep. Really, it isn't. It just requires hard work to actually pull this off.

a reply to: supermilkman

As you continue your education and perusal of these matters, do not allow yourself to become discouraged or lose sight of what is "important." Idealism is a fantastic guideline to work towards, but it can also lead to incredible disappointment if we arent prepared for when it collides with reality.

There are immense amounts of free, or low cost, resources available nowadays. We can even take college courses online at places like MIT. A search for economics alone returned 345 results!

Keep learning, researching, examining, exploring, and inventing. You might just end up changing the world.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Thank you, I'll check it out.

a reply to: supermilkman

A societal collapse would be a much better way of solving the issue of overpopulation.. Afterwards your vision of society could easily be accomplished as breakaway civilisations use their technology to rebuild civilisation on the surface.

In fact, this collapse might be coming naturally either way.. This would present a fantastic opportunity for the future.

Our dreams take shape through destruction..

a reply to: supermilkman

I'm for 24/(6+1/2) because I can't handle money during The Day of The Lord (Sundays) daytime, because of my religious beliefs, which is quite difficult for me, however some Sundays I can keep that Commandment, would be nice if shops were closed from dawn till dusk on Sundays though.

The Third industrial revolution will be colonizing other planets not none of that crazy utopia nonsense. There are too many opposing factors to dream up a fairytale that will never happen. One thing all humans can agree on is to explore the solar system.

a reply to: DeadMoonJester

No, you don't want a collapse. It makes things harder to rebuild from.

What is up with you anarchists? You guys seem to only want to destroy everything.

Don't incite hysteria.