Why do the Jews get so much sympathy?

Originally posted by DrHoracid
I "hate" no one there ace......and any comparison to Nazi's whatsoever I find extremely "offensive". I do rant on about Terrorist and radical mullahs. But don't you EVER compair me to Nazi's.........I am JEWISH.....

You don't just rant about radical mullahs, you rant about Islam.
You call it a false pagan religion and you say your race is superior to others.
The only thing that separates you from neo-Nazis and white supremacists is the people who your hate is directed towards.

Precautionary suggestion for all

Keep it real, chill, and civil.
Opinions are granted and guarenteed, but direct personal insults are not.


The topic is:
Why do the Jews get so much sympathy?

Thank you.


seekerof

[edit on 28-1-2005 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Seekerof

as posted by Tartessian
WHY JEWS ARE GENERALLY DISTRUSTED AND HATED BY MOSTLY EVERYONE THEY DEAL WITH.

Since 'hate' and 'sympathy' do go hand-in-hand, enlighten us as to why.
This should be interesting....

seekerof

I did not said i possessed the answer, i merely said it would be a more interesting/accurate , starting point for a discussion.

Regarding enlightenments, im not exactly a fan of French Socio Experimentalists, or of Intelectual Snobs, And i wouldn't ever want to be associated with anothing Illuminati-ish!

So, im afraid i cannot enlighten you.

But my proposal for the revised Thread name, was merely an observation, since it is well known "the Plight of the Jewish People throughtout the centuries".

Which brings up the question, was Everyone else ALL bad, and the Jewish minority ALL good? throughout 3000 years(or more)?

So Seekerof, that is all i got to say to you.


Of course we all know DrHoracid's opinion on that one!

Nuke the middle east! Nuke the middle east! wee! look at the little menorah waving 10 year old DrHoracid.

6 million vs 1 billion, and you come to give me morality lessons.

scumbag

Originally posted by Seekerof
Opinions are granted and guarenteed, but direct personal insults are not.

No problem Seeker.
I just got a little annoyed at the good Dr for condemning hatred of others when he is as guilty as any for the same thing.

This is my last post in this thread because i don't think I'll be able to maintain a calm discussion with Horacid.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Precautionary suggestion for all

Keep it real, chill, and civil.
Opinions are granted and guarenteed, but direct personal insults are not.

Does that include Tartessian calling people a "scumbag" never mind, I know it does......

This post has provoked some emotions from people. Rare, in a society that loves Jews and is biased towards people with long beards and rags on their head, or ragheads, diaperheads..........Oh, wait, Division Bell, you mean Arabic people, that is soooo wrong of you to be politically incorrect. Does nobody understand that before we can go to war with cultures that we must reduce them to non-human stereotypes creating the justification for going to war with them. We are doing what has been done to Jews, minus about 4 million genocidal killing from Nazi's.

Why do the Jews deserve sympathy?

Well let's do a little comparison.
Remember 9/11? Remember that 3000 innocent people were senselessly murdered on that day? Remember how you felt?

Now think about a 9/11 that lasted for 5 and a half years. 3000 people cold bloodedly murdered every day of the week for almost 2000 days. And not just men and women, but millions of children and babies as well.

Imagine if 9/11 had lasted for 2000 days.
How would you feel?

Originally posted by Leveller
Why do the Jews deserve sympathy?

Well let's do a little comparison.
Remember 9/11? Remember that 3000 innocent people were senselessly murdered on that day? Remember how you felt?

Now think about a 9/11 that lasted for 5 and a half years. 3000 people cold bloodedly murdered every day of the week for almost 2000 days. And not just men and women, but millions of children and babies as well.

Imagine if 9/11 had lasted for 2000 days.
How would you feel?

Imagine 166 Holocaust's happening in a period of days.
You can't can you? Of course not. No one can.

Originally posted by Tartessian
Imagine 166 Holocaust's happening in a period of days.
You can't can you? Of course not. No one can.

I don't have to imagine it, because it hasn't happened. On the other hand, unfortunately the Holocaust did happen.

The best thing I have ever heard was from a survivor of Auschwitz and he said, "hate only breeds hate." The Nazi's murdered his entire family and he does not hate any Nazi at all and never will because he knows it was the only reason the German people did what they did, because someone was breeding hate.

My message to you people getting mad on this board is not to get your emotions stirred up over a conversation because it isn't worth it. If a Auschwitz survivor doesn't hate or feel anger for the death of his family at the hands of Nazi's then why get mad over someone's perspective of the Jewish people, the only way to reason is through compassion.

---The survivor either operates or used to operate the Dallas Holocaust Center, im unsure.





[edit on 28-1-2005 by The Division Bell]

Compassion, sadly, plays no factor when it comes to hate ideology and historical revisionism.
I spare the compassion till it is warrented.
I would rather separate and divide fact from fiction.
This is the only cure for those who delve in racial hate rhetoric and historical revisionism.



seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
Compassion, sadly, plays no factor when it comes to hate ideology and historical revisionism.
I spare the compassion till it is warrented.
I would rather separate and divide fact from fiction.
This is the only cure for those who delve in racial hate rhetoric and historical revisionism.



seekerof

If it really works, go for it. As for it being a cure, I don't think there is a cure for these types that you are speaking of. They usually have too much rhetoric distorting their minds to ever be cured. As with HIV, it slowly turns into AIDS and there isn't a cure, same for these types you speak of. Just an opinion on it, take it or leave it.

Not a question really of who suffered more, blacks, Jews, Native Americans. The point is, the barriers and the hatred have to fall if we are to live together here on this earth. Black and white firemen together helped with Sept 11, yet there is still some guy who sits there insisting that blacks are bad and are up to no good or some such nonsense.

Troy

Wow, I go home to sleep and get to work and this post exploded way out of control. You guys and/or girls really need to lighten up. If you read my post you will see there is not hate in it and if you do you are reading into it and seeing hate or an agenda I am afraid to say that is due to your own personal insecurities/beliefs. The only thing I hate in this world is my job and the unjust treatment of others.

The question is valid and it is not a political agenda of mine. As I said in my OP you will see I was not sure what forum to place it in and if that it was not that it should be moved somewhere else (not sure if it could be done).

To those that took this as a serious question. Thanks for pointing out something I did not think about when posting the question. The key is that the Jews are a religious group killed for that reason and the Chinese and the Russians I asked about were not.

Originally posted by Kakugo
Hi, guys. Living in Europe I can tell you one thing. As much as people sympathize with Jews for their immense tragedy, we are starting to get a little fed up. It's right to remember, to avoid this happening again, but we are litterally bombarded into feeling guilty about it. Why should I feel guilty?

I do not feel guilty. I wasn't there. If I had been there and yet did nothing , then I would feel guilty. I like to think that if I had been able, if I had been there, I would have aided people even at the risk of my own life. I feel pain for those who suffered, I cry for them when I see the pictures of their fearful faces. They were people like me and you. Their only 'crime' was to be Jewish.

I feel that the stories of the Holocaust survivors should be heard by everyone. But do people learn ? ... Since Hitler, we have had Pol Pot, Idi Amin, the murder of Kurds, Armenians ...

Six million people wiped out by Hitler's Third Reich. Millions more by Stalin, Amin ... Will we ever learn ?



[edit on 29-1-2005 by Pisky]

Originally posted by AceOfBase
The only thing that separates you from neo-Nazis and white supremacists is the people who your hate is directed towards.

IF we remove all context from the discussion, then anti-semitism can be equated with antiIslamism. BUT then it could also be equated with antiNazism. The key is removing all context.

Originally posted by soficrow
Not one Jew I know would EVER spew that kind of drivel. Not in a million years. ...One thing that's instilled from birth is fear of pograms, and the fact is, REAL JEWS do not ever, ever, make such statements. They know what can happen.

Now Nazi's on the other hand, like to throw their weight around...


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This is really amazing, Sofi can speak for an entire "race". Perhaps there are those who are tired of living in "fear". Angry at thier ancestors who walked "quietly" into the "traincars" to be taken to certain death.

The term "never again" has meaning. Islam in the middle east is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. There isn't a single country around Israel that hasn't attacked it, or threateden to attack it. Islam itself is based on "killing" jews and other non believers.

There are those who attack me personally for pointing these facts out, and call me "hater" when it is they whom have hate in their hearts for anyone who dares speak "truth" about Islam.

It is not "hate" to point out facts about those who do have "hate" as a motivator.

And Sofi, my ancestors "hid" from persecution and lived in fear and denial of who they "were" for centuries. There are so many "liberal" jews that are dooming themselfs to similar treatment, they will always "hide" in the shadows in FEAR.

I say NO MORE. JEWs and the rest of the house of Israel need to wake up. It took me a very long time to decide to type the words "I'm Jewish". It's done. WE will no longer just go "quietly" and hid in the shadows.

I will say one last time "I HATE NO ONE" but I will not sit by and let the lies of others go unchallenged.

"Truth does not equal HATE".....................

Originally posted by Pisky


I do not feel guilty. I wasn't there.

I feel different because I see the Holocaust as a crime commited by mankind. It was man destroying man.
I don't believe that we can single out specific groups for blame. That's just what the Nazis themselves did. If we were born back then, would we have been any different? Every single one of us could have been a perpetrator or a victim.

The people who died were the same as me. The people who killed them were the same as me.
When man groups together to kill himself, even those of us who don't have blood on our hands are guilty by association. We can't deny our species.

I don't feel guilty through some political agenda. I feel guilty because I am of the same species as those who committed the crime.

Is it a guilt I can do something about? I believe that it is. I try not to hate. If enough people can learn to do the same, then man will not destroy man. The Holocaust teaches us all a lesson. It shows us the utter depths that we can stoop to when we prey on each others differences.

Jews get so much sympathy, because the entire world was involved in the issue. Most of the times, example Sudan, even though the world is aware the world is not involved in the scale as it was in WW2. Not many countries/citizens are personally affected as they were in WW2. Also the Jews garner so much sympathy because of their political and social status in the world today. They are able to share the wrongs done against them on a global scale and keep it in the forefront because of the positions they hold in society today.

Sometimes I do think it is unfair that Jews get so much sympathy vs all the other wrongs committed against humanity including the genocide of native indians. But it's kind of hard to compare apples and oranges since these acts all have different basis for their start. The Jews are not the only the only people in this world that are being persecuted for being who they are, people just start to need paying attention and informing themselves more, maybe they will realize that the tragedy against Jews isn't the only tragedy that has happened.

Yes the Holocaust can happen again. Actually in reference to some of the current world affairs, some can say it has already happened or is happening currently.

It will be because of religion again, but not Judaism this time, but on a broader scale, imo either christianity vs islam, or christianity vs. non believers/pagans.

wow..i need to go back to bed, i replied to wrong topic
edited to fit this one

[edit on 1-29-2005 by worldwatcher]

Originally posted by Leveller
If we were born back then, would we have been any different? Every single one of us could have been a perpetrator or a victim.

... I try not to hate. If enough people can learn to do the same, then man will not destroy man. The Holocaust teaches us all a lesson. It shows us the utter depths that we can stoop to when we prey on each others differences.

People who are excited and emotional are very easy to manipulate. ...That's why 'population control' techniques push emotional issues, and try to make people FEEL, very strongly.

Hate, fear, anger - all set people up to get their buttons pushed.

...I've noticed a lot of this going on lately, here on ats and in the news. ...Makes me wonder...



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