Who is at fault if you leave your door wide open?

but what if you have the server locked in your house, in a closet, in the bathroom but someone still hacks it, who is at fault?

lol

originally posted by: Tardacus
but what if you have the server locked in your house, in a closet, in the bathroom but someone still hacks it, who is at fault?

lol

Obviously Vladimir Putin.

Have you not been watching the news?

a reply to: yuppa

How do you figure the homeowner holds any responsibility?

Yeah, pretty dumb not to lock the door, but no liability obtains do to that. The burglar was not enticed deliberately onto the property. The culpability lies with the burglar, no one else.

Sometimes lax judgements happens and you unknowingly have an unlocked door. Despite that or intentionally unlocked, it's the thief who is responsible for their action.

Though, of course in many places and even in smaller areas,potentially minus some rural locations with neighbors not in sight, etc., it's probably a good rule to keep doors locked. That is as a deterrent but doesn't mean it will stop the determined with the right tools and or will.

originally posted by: Tardacus
but what if you have the server locked in your house, in a closet, in the bathroom but someone still hacks it, who is at fault?

lol

Everyone knows...

originally posted by: paraphi
If someone walks into your house and steals your stuff, then they are responsible. It is irrelevant that you left the door open.

Why is it so hard to work that one out?

The same apologist argument has been made for rape, in that if a woman "looks like she wants it because she was dressed like a..." is a good reason for rape. Think about it.

No no no no no. This is not the same as A woman asking for rape. I was simply asking if it was more than the owners fault for being a moron and leaving his house wide open.
I have done it myself,and had a tv,and a few other items stolen. My door sometimes woudnt shut right and bounce back open.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: yuppa

My opinion which seems to me to have some value for you personally over and beyond the argument with the friend is to lose that friend.

Prolly right. if they are that petty they arent much a friend huh?

a reply to: yuppa
you already knewed the answer Yuppa you jerk.

[i wanted to call you a #.]

Well what i was trying to get at isnt the thief breaking the law.. I fyou shoot a gun and it hits someone accidentally you are liable even though you didnt intend to do so correct?

A s others have said the true meaning to the question is levells of negligence on behalf of the owner. SImiliar to how Podesta left his phone(negligently) in the cab. Its his fault the Wikileaks got ahold of his e mails.


Thnak you everyone for your Input. Feel free to continue debating though. Its fun.

originally posted by: Rikku
a reply to: yuppa
you already knewed the answer Yuppa you jerk.

[i wanted to call you a #.]

Lol. arent I a stinker? lol. That made me smile. thank you.

a reply to: yuppa

I still don't see where the home owner would be liable in any way.

But perhaps I'm being excessively dense this evening. It'd hardly be the first time I've been dense...

Well, if you leave your picnic table in your yard and someone walks off with it and is caught, they are guilty of theft.


Stealing is stealing, whether your doors are locked or not. If you want to keep the honest man honest, lock your doors. Professional criminals will get in if the door is locked or not..

originally posted by: rickymouseProfessional criminals will get in if the door is locked or not..

Woe be to them that get in the door in States where those that choose to defend themselves still retain that right...

originally posted by: rickymouse
Well, if you leave your picnic table in your yard and someone walks off with it and is caught, they are guilty of theft.


Stealing is stealing, whether your doors are locked or not. If you want to keep the honest man honest, lock your doors. Professional criminals will get in if the door is locked or not..

Well I mean, if your house is wide open, there is no evidence of a break in, it's going to make it awfully hard for the home owner to prove a theft, isn't it? The police will not be able to do anything, and they will tell you flat out that your mistake was leaving your house wide open. It's your fault there is no evidence of a break in, because they didn't have to break in. For all the police know, you took your TV and your jewlery, moved it to your bothers house, claimed it was stolen, filed an insurance claim, and bought a second TV and doubled up your jewelry game -- which would make YOU a criminal. The thing is, if your house is wide open, unless someone is witness to the robbery, the police aren't going to believe you, and if they do -- they are going to tell you how stupid you are.

If the thief were to get caught, yeah -- he'd be prosecuted, but the idea here is -- if your house is wide open, he's not going to get caught unless he's physically seen and identified leaving the premises. That pretty much makes it the home owners fault. If the doors were locked, there would be evidence of a break and enter and possibly DNA/Finger Prints what ever, which could potentially pin down the thief.

Moral of this story is, if you leave your house wide open, and stuff gets stolen -- you aren't going to get it back and the thief isn't going to be caught. Now ya know -- if the thief had to break a window to get in, someone might be alerted to that, increases the chances of the theif being caught, as well as the thief leaving evidence of the theft.

If you leave your house wide open, you are absolutely Negligent. I don't think this can even be argued.

I never said the Thief isn't responsible for the theft. I said you are responsible for making the theft easy, and therefor more likely for it to happen. The onus is equally on you in that circumstance.

Hence my point/s....

Police probably won't arrest without some kind of tangible evidence, like a broken door or window or a video. Log a report and confiscate evidence is abought all you gonna get till the Judge hears the case.

Most of these type folks in my area are dealing with substance abuse and are opportunists who will try to talk their selves out of trouble like a child. Even if it requires crying or lying that you had a prior agreement with them.

In my view, most of us have the upper hand and should use tact in playing the field within law enforcement's rules. Cameras, locks, dogs, No Trespassing signs etc.........

All emotions aside, rules in my state are that if a trespasser shows no intent to cause bodily harm, you may not have the right to bodily harm them !!!!!!!!

NOVEM

originally posted by: yuppa
I have been having a argument of sorts with a few friends lately about this question. If you leave your door wide open and unlocked are you responsible if someone comes along and steals anything inside?
COmmon sense would say yes you bear soem responsibility correct? but for some reason my friend insist that no they are not at fault period.

What is your opinion on this question ATS?

Well your argument is wrong its the thief's fault. But now your argument could be made a little different. What if you are warned that this guy is going to break into your house because he knows your back dooe isn't locked. And you take no actions to stop them continue to leave it unlocked. So he comes in and steals stuff. Then instead of locking it you continue to leave it unlocked allowing him to do it again.

The DNC was warned and ignored it guess they didn't trust the FBI evident by them hanging up on them. Then they get hacked instead of securing there server they did nothing. Then it happens again then they decide to hire a company not to secure there server but figure out who did it. In my book 1st time shame on you second time shame on me.

What if the door was unlocked and they only entered to make a better life for themselves?

Does that change the equation?

Thieves don't 'notice opportunity'. They check your door, and if it's locked, they check another door.

Nothing about leaving it unlocked makes them pick your door.

a reply to: yuppa

No!
Stores don't lock their doors but you will be charged with stealing if you walk out with your pockets full of loot.

a reply to: yuppa

You break no law leaving your door open.

Is a woman at fault if they get raped after getting roofied because they drank the drink?

Being at fault, and being wise in mitigating the possibility of being preyed upon are two different things.