Edgar M and the traffic camera facing comet ping pong.

originally posted by: damwel
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I'm saying the comet pizza story being tied to pedo rings was made up. Why would anyone move a camera when a nut goes crazy over a fake story?

Bingo-

Why would anyone do that

originally posted by: damwel
You are aware that this whole thing was made up right?

Really?

How do you know this?

Source please.

a reply to: Riffrafter

So there is an alleged mastermind, Alefantis, the guy whose purpose would be served by this coverup. Right? I get that.All that goes to motive.
We have the perp in mind the guy in question working at the behest of Alefantis or his agents. Right. And the crime itself in this specific instance is the re-direction of the camera, right? As part of the cover up for whatever activity in front of the store that would be captured by the camera while it was pointed directly at the store. All of that makes sense to me.

But???
Something very incriminating was going to happen in front of the store that the camera would record.
SO?
One, move the camera and leave a telltale photo record of the movement?
Or, just not conduct the incriminating activity in front of the store.

So, if there is anything to all the pizazz gate allegations and if there is a huge cover up (which of course there would have to be) and if this intrepid conspiracy theorist is not just a random goofball as he is being portrayed by msm, but rather the fall guy in this plot as a larger conspiracy would demand, then exactly WHAT might have been the activity in front of the store that would entail the moving of the camera.

For me this is not a case of believing the MSM or for that matter anyone else. For me we have the supposed coverup, the moving of the camera as part of the coverup. Yet for me, no one has been able to explain the WHY of moving the camera to the degree to then pursue that line of investigation. Do you see? If that connection could be made in theory then I would say, yep, investigate away. But at this point, for me at least, those investigations would be better suited to finding another avenue upon which to proceed.

You see, part of opening MY eyes has disclosed to me that those in power, that those who wish to mislead us, set out red herrings ALL THE TIME. I think at best, the camera movement is nothing more than a red herring, tossed out to distract from other avenues of investigation that might prove more fruitful.

I think people might be getting the "cause and effect" mixed up here.

As I said before, isn't it possible that the gunman saw those conspiracy websites talking about "something might soon be happening at Comet Ping Pong because the traffic camera has moved", and decided to go investigate for himself (with gun in hand) to see what was going on there that might have prompted someone to move the camera?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

You may very well be right.

That's why an independent person in authority should review everything having to do with the camera as I said in my previous posts.

If there's nothing there, there's nothing there.

The fact that a major crime was committed right underneath that camera's "nose" but it had been moved for some reason, should be more than enough probable cause for the police and/or FBI to get the records related to the camera.

You don't have a problem with that, do you?

a reply to: Riffrafter

Yes, the people who put that camera there in the first place. Was it city, or county, or state. Or, better yet, the company that built it. How was it turned? Was it manually turned or was it hacked. Or was it moved by those who put it there in the first place.

Finally I agree. Any camera that is not performing it's assigned function would be suspect at least for malfunction. But thus far I have heard nothing about even that. The cause of the change in direction, as far as I know has only been ignored except by conspiracy people This leads me to think that the direction change might be nothing more than a routine function and the timing to the incident, just coincidence. But who knows. I just do not like to jump to conclusions with out more evidence other than just suspicion.

Thanks for the conversation.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Yeah not like sandy hook ended up in the absolute bull$hît hoax part of ATS
Oh wait......

a reply to: stealthyaroura

Maybe you missed the thread titled, "Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence?"



Now, do we have the technical details on this camera?

What type of camera is it, it appears to be a standard dome camera.

Central Command and control for the District's Traffic signal system. This system communicates in
real time and monitors all traffic signals.
DDOT uses this system to monitor and to facilitate real time command and control with all Traffic signals. This
system also allows remote control of DDOT's traffic cameras.

DDOT ELECTRONIC DATABASES
(direct .pdf link)

From this it would seem that the camera system is able to be controlled remotely. This indicates the camera would have been turned from the control center.

a reply to: Riffrafter

There are more camera's in that area, and more that are in the shops and places around the place of interest.

Do you really think that spending 10s of thousands of dollars + to do an investigation of one CCTV camera by the Police AND the FBI, doing a review on the entire center and computing centers, network centers related to that one little camera is justified? The money and the man power to do that entire review is a complete waste of money and time, that of 2 completely different investigation teams and a Federal agency, IT specialists, Network Specialists, the downtime of the network while the audit is performed, the security implications regarding all of it while doing the review and audit.

That is completely nuts!

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
Why does ATS censor anything?

No Satanic pedophiles to see here folks, move along, pay your taxes, work more...

right! I have been coming to ATS for about 20 years. In those years I have read/commented/posted/learned about thousands of "conspiracies". Now all of a sudden I feel that truth is on its way out...based on the fact of not being able to discuss the PG theory anymore, and the way msm has started their spin about "fake news".

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Riffrafter

Yes, the people who put that camera there in the first place. Was it city, or county, or state. Or, better yet, the company that built it. How was it turned? Was it manually turned or was it hacked. Or was it moved by those who put it there in the first place.

Finally I agree. Any camera that is not performing it's assigned function would be suspect at least for malfunction. But thus far I have heard nothing about even that. The cause of the change in direction, as far as I know has only been ignored except by conspiracy people This leads me to think that the direction change might be nothing more than a routine function and the timing to the incident, just coincidence. But who knows. I just do not like to jump to conclusions with out more evidence other than just suspicion.

Thanks for the conversation.

Agreed and same here. I always enjoy discussing things with intelligent people with whom I may disagree, as god forbid, I may actually learn something.



There may truly be nothing to this. But the coincidences and other "facts" related to this story have my spidey senses tingling all over so to speak.

I really hope it's crap. I really, really do.

But I fear that is not the case.

I guess we'll see...

originally posted by: MuonToGluon
a reply to: Riffrafter

There are more camera's in that area, and more that are in the shops and places around the place of interest.

Really?

Where? I have not seen a single shot from any other camera in that area that covers the area of interest in front of Comet Pizza.

Have you? If so, please post sources.

If not - what are you talking about?

Why does this matter?

a reply to: Riffrafter


With all of your extreme investigative strength and launching into tangents wanting a mass Police and FBI review into a single traffic CCTV camera...are you telling me you have not bothered to have a look at a few photos of the Avenue, or ask/do a little call to see the other Security cameras that line it? I guess that's why you have not "heard" of it, you didn't look or investigate it yourself.

I'm not even part of this theory and I spent the couple of minutes required to have a look instead of allowing my head to stray into paranoia.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

That is the traffic signal system, nothing to do with the camera system.

The cctv cameras are managed by homeland security.

hsema.dc.gov...

Copies of footage can be obtained by a FOIA request..

hsema.dc.gov...

But they say they only keep footage for 10 days..

NOTE: Camera feeds are automatically cleared every ten (10) calendar days including weekends and holidays. For example, footage captured on January 20, 2014 at 10:05 a.m. is cleared on January 30, 2014 at 10:04 a.m. The Agency recommends submitting your request as soon as possible to increase the likelihood your request can be filled.

Best you guys hurry up and get the footage for that day to see what REALLY happened.

Or sit by idly speculating.

originally posted by: MuonToGluon
a reply to: Riffrafter


With all of your extreme investigative strength and launching into tangents wanting a mass Police and FBI review into a single traffic CCTV camera...are you telling me you have not bothered to have a look at a few photos of the Avenue, or ask/do a little call to see the other Security cameras that line it? I guess that's why you have not "heard" of it, you didn't look or investigate it yourself.

I'm not even part of this theory and I spent the couple of minutes required to have a look instead of allowing my head to stray into paranoia.

In other words, no - you don't have any other sources.

And I never said anything about a mass anything....a single good cop could review all the footage from that single camera in a few hours....probably less.

But that doesn't fit your bs narrative well, does it?

Nice try....

a reply to: Chadwickus

Maybe you missed the last line of the excerpt I quoted?

...This system also allows remote control of DDOT's traffic cameras.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
Best you guys hurry up and get the footage for that day to see what REALLY happened.

OMG...the excitement just went off the chart for those who appear to be insanely paranoid on this topic.

a reply to: omniEtherall i got to say is this that place of business must rake in awhole lot of cheese.think about what kinda money you must have tothreaten so many online sites in to blocking people talking about your business. really great idea hire an actor to bring out attention to your problems