You can be fined $250,000 for not calling people ‘ze’ or ‘hir,’ pronouns if they demand

mi jist blah lyk da uruk dis am me kulture lat bigots.

nub blah tu mayk difrenz unli "lats"

"ug lats"

a reply to: Lysergic


Wot...

a reply to: breakingbs

Ahem, for a second there, I lost myself.

a reply to: Lysergic


I'll look the other way.

originally posted by: omniEther
So people can basically force us on pain of massive legal liability to say what they want us to say, whether or not we want to endorse the political message associated with that term.

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Check out this list, which already includes “zie,” “sie” (not the German version), “ey,” “ve,” “tey,” “e,” “(f)ae,” “per” and “xe.” Why wouldn’t some creative folks decide they want to add still more?

He. She. PICK ONE.

How hard can it be. Are you a man trapped in a woman's body, thinking you should have been siamese twins except for the fact that you feel like a trans-continental railway?

PICK ONE.

If this keeps up, I suggest we just go straight to 1 unique gender per person. 7.5 Billion and counting should be enough for anybody.

Good luck with the Public Restroom dilemma, though.

I must be easily confused, because I fail to see any sort of an issue here.

I call folks what they want to be called, if I err, and they correct me, I'll apologize and call 'em what they want to be called. It's of absolutely no matter to me.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

The dangerous part of the conservative movement is "you fall in line with what we want you to be".

You can be whatever you want to be as long as you don't force me to accept it.

That's rather disrespectful.

Then it is equally disrespectful to deny someone who does not agree with you his or hers freedom of speech and opinion. Seriously, if someone demands of me to use non-existent pronouns and i refuse to do that and they think i owe them money for just that i find them a lot more disrespectful of my freedom then the other way around.

In the name of equality i want to be able to demand 25K from them by law just for demanding of me to refer to them by use if made up words.

originally posted by: seagull
I must be easily confused, because I fail to see any sort of an issue here.

I call folks what they want to be called, if I err, and they correct me, I'll apologize and call 'em what they want to be called. It's of absolutely no matter to me.

Equally, anyone who chooses not to should be respected just as much.

a reply to: everyone

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that. I would find it slightly, or even very, rude--depending upon circumstance.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: everyone

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that. I would find it slightly, or even very, rude--depending upon circumstance.

You don't respect my freedom to chose to refer to men as him and woman as her and thus my freedom to refuse to use made up words ?

a reply to: everyone

No, I believe that people should be called what they want to be called. Is that hard to understand? Why do you choose to be needlessly rude?

Frankly it's puzzling.

Maybe some herein should ask themselves why they're so up in arms over what is, ultimately, a very small matter of common decency, and civility...

originally posted by: seagull
I must be easily confused, because I fail to see any sort of an issue here.

I call folks what they want to be called, if I err, and they correct me, I'll apologize and call 'em what they want to be called. It's of absolutely no matter to me.

The issue extends beyond your own skin, and maybe that's why you cannot see it. Yes, you call folks what they want to be called, but do you support forcing others to do the same?

a reply to: omniEther

I'll probably continue to just take a lucky guess based upon how they appear....you know, like always. At which point they can correct me- politely- and I will then graciously comply with their request.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

As in a quarter of a million dollar fine? Hell no.

Or even a fine at all. Coercion of this sort is wrong. I suppose I should have said that straight up. I also believe in calling folks what they want to be called. ...and when you are talking to someone, how often does one call them he, or she, or whatever the PC title of choice is. Hey, you! seems rather all encompassing to me. Or their name. If I don't know them it's sir or ma'am, if it's something else, I'm sure they'll let me know, and I will apologize and move on.

That's my entire take on the issue. I see no reason to be needlessly rude.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: everyone

No, I believe that people should be called what they want to be called. Is that hard to understand? Why do you choose to be needlessly rude?

Frankly it's puzzling.

Maybe some herein should ask themselves why they're so up in arms over what is, ultimately, a very small matter of common decency, and civility...

Because i dont like to be forced to do something just because someone else demands it from me while diminishing MY freedom of speech. I dont have to like that and so i wont. I dont like having to refer to a person using FANTASY WORDS as xhe/xyr or GUGLAG (w/e that means) and i sure as as hell wont be able to do it without ending up laughing at them while doing it.

Its is simply not practical or feasable in anyway. Right now already they have 128 made up genders with more then a dozen made up "pronouns" for it. If you think i am going to remember which of the 2500 words i should use with all the different HUMANS i interacts with on a daily basis then you and XEYMZ (made that up on the go, just like they do, where does it end?) have another thing coming and are in serious need of a reality check and a physciatrist.

It wont ever satisfy them because you can be polite and once person x you met at starbucks the other day may "identify" as a GUGLAG and another 50 you met that same week as XEY xir xmer,zavgt, and prlt will feel offended if you mix any of them up between then at any time.

I wish you well and good luck in your en devour but you will not be successful in it. You will be apologizing to them more then anything because that XIAR from last week was actually a GIRGOLA but you failed to keep track and made IT cry

a reply to: everyone

I've dealt with, for many years, with members of the transgender crowd. I've found that if I treat them as fellow adults, there's little, if any, problem. Part of that is treating them as they wish to be treated. I've never encountered these terms before, other than on line, and living as I do in small town America, I don't expect to. But I figure I'm old enough to deal with it successfully if need be.

If not, you'll be able to tell me "I told you so."

I understand not wanting to be forced by law to do this. ...the idea of being fined like that for it is ridiculous.

I suppose my laisse faire attitude about this topic is that I'm not having to change my mind set...my life experience already has done it.

originally posted by: imjack

Then fullcircle to my first post and question, am I allowed to address you as whatever I want then? Assuming you're male, there's nothing wrong with me addressing you as female? Especially if I know you dislike it? Why should you be allowed to impose your belief you're a male on me if I want to call you female?

You can try that if you want but don't expect a nice response or a hug.

originally posted by: imjack
You can call it totalitarianism, but you only pay the fine if you refuse to acknowledge another person.

Why should we keep slander laws? What is their purpose?

Using this logic if someone is offended because another person has his/her own political views and those political views offends the other person, is that okay to suppress that person's political views?

It is the same scenario, and these types of laws open the door for policies which can suppress freedom of expression, which is already being tried by the far leftists all across the country.

As Murtaugh once said

"I'm getting too old for this sh*t."

I respect people's differences but this is getting insane.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: everyone

I've dealt with, for many years, with members of the transgender crowd. I've found that if I treat them as fellow adults, there's little, if any, problem. Part of that is treating them as they wish to be treated. I've never encountered these terms before, other than on line, and living as I do in small town America, I don't expect to. But I figure I'm old enough to deal with it successfully if need be.

If not, you'll be able to tell me "I told you so."

I understand not wanting to be forced by law to do this. ...the idea of being fined like that for it is ridiculous.



I suppose my laisse faire attitude about this topic is that I'm not having to change my mind set...my life experience already has done it.

That is the problem right there. The mere existence of that law is destructive and against the constitution. And the fact that people have been enabled with the ability to demand BY LAW $25.000 from me or anybody else who refuse to cuddle them in their safe space is a sign that this is going of the rail and into insanity. There is not even a law that forces me to address people by their actual name. If i refer to a steve as joe they cant sue me. But im supposed to bend over because people want to be refereed to as xerm,iggu,guglag and giggityboo ? Better bring a gun and make me and dont forget johnny cochran for the court case that he will lose for you (you as in - anyone special enough to think they want to hold me accountable for not referring to them in their random letters of the day.

Its unconstitutional and ridiculous to the extreme, but hey we have all come to expect that by now from the SJW.

originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
As Murtaugh once said

"I'm getting too old for this sh*t."

I respect people's differences but this is getting insane.

It is completely ruining normal and effective communication.
Imagine 10 years from now sitting in a meeting with 20 others at the table and in the hours that the meeting goes on you have had to address all of them multiple times throughout. Suddenly the meeting lasted 60 minutes longer just on account of the pauses you needed to make to internally adjust your thoughts and memory just because you have been doing your best to address each and every attendee by their correct teletubby "pronoun".

Migraine.