Wisconsin Padded Trump's Numbers

So either trump cheated or hillary is trying to cheat by fudging the numbers after the fact. Hmm mm I say we take a mulligan on this one and the start the whole process over. Minus Clinton and trump

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: SheopleNation
Camp Crooked just can't get over the fact that they lost in devastating fashion. Your new President, Donald J Trump! Lmao! ~$heopleNation

And the suckers who voted for Trump have to keep reminding people that he won, because anyone looking at the actual tally can tell you he doesn't have the support of the majority of voters.

No candidate won the support of the majority of voters.
Your point?

Harte

Heck you put there totals together they didn't even get half of legal voters. and you have to figure a lot that did vote were dead or voted twice lowering that number as well lol. Looking at that county what they did was see they had more votes than they had registered, Didn't want to pay for the expense of canvasing basically contacting all the legal voters to determine who voted twice they decided Trump had a large enough lead so they just remove it from him to make the numbers look right. But of course the county cant admit that because that would mean there is a problem with illegal voters. And the only way to prevent that would be using ID something they don't want to do.

originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
So either trump cheated or hillary is trying to cheat by fudging the numbers after the fact. Hmm mm I say we take a mulligan on this one and the start the whole process over. Minus Clinton and trump

We are in unexplored territory. If Trump cannot or will not unwind his conflicts of interest, he may choose not to serve. Does that mean Pence automatically becomes President, or does it go to Congress?

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
So either trump cheated or hillary is trying to cheat by fudging the numbers after the fact. Hmm mm I say we take a mulligan on this one and the start the whole process over. Minus Clinton and trump

We are in unexplored territory. If Trump cannot or will not unwind his conflicts of interest, he may choose not to serve. Does that mean Pence automatically becomes President, or does it go to Congress?

Theres no conflict he puts someone in charge of his company he will be fine on a legal basis. Being president you don't have to sell your businesses or assets that's just stupid. You 0dont even have to sell your stocks if you don't want to you simple let someone manage them. If I owned a million shares of say Microsoft and became president I don't have to sell them I simply appoint someone to manage the stocks for me . And they will decide to keep them or cash some in to buy other stocks.

a reply to: dragonridr

But he doesn't own stock, he owns real estate in different countries. Is he going to try to make Cuba more democratic, or is he going to let it continue to be Communist if they let him build a golf course there? Even if someone else is making the corporate decisions, President Trump knows where his hotels are and what foreign policies would be best for them... not necessarily what is best for the United States. See the problem?

a reply to: DJW001

You are getting way off topic from the OP.
What does this have to do with the Wisconsin vote?

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: DJW001

You are getting way off topic from the OP.
What does this have to do with the Wisconsin vote?

Nothing. Are you trying to tell me what I am allowed to say?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: dragonridr

But he doesn't own stock, he owns real estate in different countries. Is he going to try to make Cuba more democratic, or is he going to let it continue to be Communist if they let him build a golf course there? Even if someone else is making the corporate decisions, President Trump knows where his hotels are and what foreign policies would be best for them... not necessarily what is best for the United States. See the problem?

And your point is do you know anything of US history? Do you know how George Washington made his money ? He was a land speculator he bought and sold land all over the world. In fact that's part of the joke about Washington slept here he travelled so much buying and selling property he had been everywhere. And yes even as president he bought and sold land. Then we have Samuel Adams he was a businessman not a good one since he dies broke but he ran the brewery he inherited from his father. Then lets look at Andrew Jackson not only was he a land owner meaning a 5000 acre plantation known as Monticello. This itself produced grain,cotton,wood,flowers he sold internationally and even hemp. Cool founding father huh? But also he was a trader meaning he traded internationally buying and selling all kinds of things before during and after his presidency.

The founder fathers never expected a president to give up there lively hood to run the country it was always considered a temporary job. And lets face it kind of sucked the pay barely covered there expenses from travelling back and forth as they ran there estates. Once you were done as president you didn't continue to get paid that wasn't passed until 1958. So when you were done your term you were expected to continue to support you and your family. They never expected you to sell off all your lands property and businesses. It wasn't until we got professional politicians that conflict of interest even came up. Well until Trump anyway most people that run for president have been in politics for decades that's how they made there money. The conflict comes in because they are politicians they were not expected to use there office to make money. Now you have people like Bush the money he made was nothing compared to his business deals he owned parts of oil companies. He didn't sell them to become president he just let his partners manage them. But then you have someone like Obama don't think I'm bashing him not my intent I voted for him twice. But he was fresh out of law school worked a job being paid very little as a community organizer. Than went in to politics currently hes worth 10 million, Now how could that be you ask? Simple hes made investments along the way though I'm not sure that accounts for all of it but that's another thread.


Presidents have can and do make money while being president. The trick is to avoid breaking any rules with say the FCC did you know a president can even handle there own stocks if they want while being president. The reason most don't is two fold they don't want to give the impression of being somehow dishonest. And they don't want to violate an FCC rule by accident, For example the president buys Microsoft stock Bill gates visits white house and business was never discussed. A week later he changes stock thinking he can make more money and then then a couple of days later Microsoft takes a huge plunge. Then he has traders claiming Gates told him this was going to happen. This is untrue and the FCC will investigate but in the mean time it locks him out of trading. So he no longer has the ability to make money or may have to take a huge loss in a market downturn. Its not worth the risk In stocks but in land deals you don't flip them in days or even hours. Meaning there is plenty of time to investigate if some accusation is made.

a reply to: dragonridr

Presidents have can and do make money while being president. The trick is to avoid breaking any rules with say the FCC did you know a president can even handle there own stocks if they want while being president.

George Washington could not wipe an entire country off the map with a single command. I am surprised you cannot see how every foreign policy decision will be bogged down by investigations and accusations. That would not be good either for the country or Trump's business interests. How can a man who claims to want to destroy "ISIS" do business in the Emirates, knowing that the Emirates are a principle source of their funding?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: dragonridr

Presidents have can and do make money while being president. The trick is to avoid breaking any rules with say the FCC did you know a president can even handle there own stocks if they want while being president.

George Washington could not wipe an entire country off the map with a single command. I am surprised you cannot see how every foreign policy decision will be bogged down by investigations and accusations. That would not be good either for the country or Trump's business interests. How can a man who claims to want to destroy "ISIS" do business in the Emirates, knowing that the Emirates are a principle source of their funding?

"I am surprised you cannot see how every foreign policy decision will be bogged down by investigations and accusations."

Like the EXACT same thing would not have happened with Clinton... with the history of the CF, she would have been under tons of more scrutiny for every deal she made while President.

originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
So either trump cheated or hillary is trying to cheat by fudging the numbers after the fact. Hmm mm I say we take a mulligan on this one and the start the whole process over. Minus Clinton and trump

Maybe they both cheated. But, we only care about the cheat that won. If you cheat and lose, nobody bothers to take you to court for having cheated.

Asking out of curiosity-

Are we sure that this isn't another "fake news" site?

After looking over the site, which I never heard of until now, Palmer continually cites himself and has an obvious slant.

He even claims to have no journalistic background before this election.

It's just a damn blog full of Bill Palmers articles, citing other Palmer articles.

a reply to: Chickensalad

Exactly.

So i ask again: besides naval gazing, what is this recount amounting to thus far?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Kettu

Why wouldn't the same rules apply to the same measures being taken? Miscounting happens when doing it by hand.

When counting by hand you have a panel, 4 dems, 4 gop and lawyers. When machines are used...all you have to do is change the vote total..or if this is to be believed...erroneously add thousands of votes in 3 different counties.

Put another way..There is a very real reason we still have paper ballots and that is to confirm vote totals when machines and people punching on a calculator might err.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Chickensalad

Exactly.

So i ask again: besides naval gazing, what is this recount amounting to thus far?

A recount will either confirm and validate Trump's win (likely) or it will reveal our voting system is not trustworthy (unlikely)...

But either way, I am finding it hard to see a problem with answering that question and a lot of cause to see it answered.

I think the recount effort will validate Trump's win in those states...And that might be a good thing for encouraging portions of the anti-trump movement to accept it and move forward. BUT...on the outlier chance (2%) there is mass fraud? I want to know that too.

The only way to lose in the scenario is to not look IMO.

I also think the forced recounts might encourage the states to upgrade their voting machinery and processes to be more reliable and secure ...which is also very necessary for 2020 and beyond...hackers are getting better and most voting tech is 10+ years old..kids in middle school can hack them with a little incentive.

dp

originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
So either trump cheated
or hillary is trying to cheat by fudging the numbers after the fact.

One involves old voting technology and a guy punching numbers into a calculator.

The recount involves a bi-partisan panel including Stein and Trump reps agreeing on the math and ballots.
Clinton folks are not planning on being present, nor are they allowed since they aren't the ones filing.
They are offering legal advice to stein and that's about it.

So no...anyone fudging numbers in a recount is pretty much impossible..

If you remember the Florida recount..it devolved into a battle amongst the panel on a "hanging chad"...the little round piece of paper that is punched out of the voter card. Was it just dented? was the paper actually pierced...all over one ballot. No...a recount is high scrutiny and bi-partisan scrutiny..Not a scenario fit for fraud.

a reply to: Indigo5

I have no issue seeing the question answered. My point is: this thread seems to be a political troll, meant to gloat over something that hasn't even happened yet.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Indigo5

My point is: this thread seems to be a political troll, meant to gloat over something that hasn't even happened yet.

Welcome to ATS...You will get used to it once you have been around a while