Wisconsin Padded Trump's Numbers

So why is Trump furrious about the Wisconsin recount? Why are people pushing back and not wanting to have one? Why is Wisconsin today saying they won't go through a hand count for Jill Stein?

It seems this there's a little tidbit of news flew under the radar....amidst the many sensationalized headlines involving Trump, Twitter, illegals, ect...

...three precincts in the Wisconsin county of Outagamie had revised their vote totals downward for Donald Trump by more than a thousand votes combined, with local officials insisting to their local ABC News affiliate that it was a mere arithmetic error.

Odd. So what's the story there? An arithmetic error? Let's see...

The first is that, even ahead of the forthcoming recount in Wisconsin, Donald Trump’s lead has already shrunk to just 22,525 votes. That means 18% of his “lead” has already vanished, based on precincts catching some of their own incorrect numbers, and internet gawkers catching others. But the second thing that jumps out is that the revisions have served to erase thousands of votes from Trump, while affirming that Clinton’s vote total was essentially correct to begin with.

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So, Trump's numbers were too high, but Hillary's didn't change? How'd that happen?

The story goes like this: after Wisconsin posted its voting totals, various internet users who looked at the numbers noticed the same discrepancy. Three precincts in Outagamie County were each claiming that more people had voted in the presidential race than had voted at all. That’s not possible, of course. So after it became a minor online controversy, those precincts each revised their totals. The result: more than a thousand imaginary votes for Donald Trump came off the board from those three precincts alone

So...somehow "votes" that were never actually cast ended up in the final vote totals? How Odd...?

What's the "official" explanation for this?

Here’s the explanation which local officials offered to an ABC News affiliate to explain the discrepancy:

“In order to give election returns to the Outagamie County Clerk’s office as quickly as possible the Chief Inspector added together the votes from the election machine tapes. An error was made while keying the numbers on the calculator during this process resulting in an incorrect number of votes reported on Election night.”

Wait...so the vote totals coming from the machine tapes were reported incorrectly? Haven't I been saying this all along? The vote totals have to go SOMEWHERE after the machine totals come in or paper ballots have been scanned. The numbers the people count or the machines count have to be reported. Hm...

Okay, so someone goofed up. However it seems odd that someone doing that job can't use a 10-key or calculator properly. Anyway, mistakes happen...or do they?

Here's the kicker:

But for this to be believed, one would have to accept that the same honest error was made in three precincts – and that in all of them, Donald Trump was a huge beneficiary of that math error. Moreover, Hillary Clinton’s vote totals didn’t change at all in these three precincts.

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And it looks like the numbers from another precinct don't add up either.

So maybe a hand count is being denied because it will reveal more of these "math errors" and election officials who can't seem to use calculators?

Things that make you go, "HMMMMM" ...

a reply to: Kettu

According to O’Bright, “The canvass is conducted by county clerks throughout the state. We are on the partisan ticket so our canvass also has to have a member of the opposite party on the canvass, along with another member. So, it is reviewed as fairly as possible.”

Once the review is complete, the official results are posted. There was a delay in the posting of the officials results in Outagamie County this year, because the County Clerk she had a death in her family. The official results, as of today, have been posted.

wbay.com...

That's the article they are using as a source. I'll go with it over the twitter BS.

a reply to: JinMI

I addressed that in my thread. My thread mentioned the local ABC affiliate and the official explanation they were given.

The "official" explanation is fine for one county, but THREE? The same type of error, in THREE counties -- all adding extra votes for Trump?

I don't see any problem using Twitter. It seems to get used around here all the time by people who support Trump. Hell, even fake Craigslist ads were vehemently defended (and probably still are).

It does seem strange that they just erased the votes from Trump all three times. Maybe someone who was a democrat was the one who had to make the decision as to how to fix their messup.

Maybe the combined number is right but there were actually more voters than reported on the total voters.

I am sure they will find a way to cover their ass and since Clinton's people will be looking over their shoulders, they will fix everything good for clinton and nothing that trump should get.

Recounts can actually have the ability to be much worse than the original vote for being real. It has always been that way and always will, electronics did not help to ward off mistakes, it made it possible to have worse mistakes.

a reply to: Kettu

Why wouldn't the same rules apply to the same measures being taken? Miscounting happens when doing it by hand.

We'll see how this plays out but I wouldn't get my undies in a twizzle just yet.

Looks like someone is getting rid of Trump votes.

There was a lot of truth when Stalin said it doesn't matter who votes, but who counts the votes is of immense importance.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Looks like someone is getting rid of Trump votes.

There was a lot of truth when Stalin said it doesn't matter who votes, but who counts the votes is of immense importance.

No, it looks like someone added extra votes to Trump in three different precincts and were caught. And when caught, coughed up a laughable excuse.

There were more total votes than the number of people who actually voted. Those extra non-existant people's votes were counting for Trump. These were numbers that should have never gone to Trump in the first place.

Really...a calculator error? In three different counties?

a reply to: Kettu
Its 3 precincts one county, not three counties.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Ah, thank you for that.

a reply to: Kettu


Yet he still one. Yes, accidents happen. Get over it. You're not looking for truth, you're looking for excuses and straws to grasp.

a reply to: StolidPanda

It doesn't matter that he still won. What matters is that it possibly shows a pattern of something bigger.

People on here have clung to things with far, far less substance and meat.

a reply to: Kettu


Its shows an error in one county. Not more than one. It happened in 3 prescient's, yes. All one county though. An isolated error in one state in one county. Need more substance for me before an legitimate claim can be made. Scratch claim, more evidence for just a thread of a theory.

Hidebeast still wont take Wisconsin, Michigan. Or PA even if they allow a recount.

a reply to: Kettu

Hillary conceded.

Obama criticized the recount.

Trump is almost complete with his transition.

The election is O V E R.

I'm pretty sure that getting rid of trumps votes in all three precincts was not appropriate. That needs further checking to see if it is correct, someone may have just said it was trumps to solve a problem. If you are going to recount, than do it legitimately, people are trying to say Trump got extra votes when maybe he got screwed.

If they are going to recount, lets see what happens, not make up things before it is official. It is possible Trump could gain more votes, that actually happened on recounts before. I would like to see California recounted and the voters validated just to see how much corruption is out there.

A reminder that this is NOT the Mud Pit.

...and that the T&C fully applies.

As usual, do not reply to this post.

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: StolidPanda

People on here have clung to things with far, far less substance and meat.

Yes they have, people from both sides.

One thing people have clung to with "far, far less substance and meat" is their religion.

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: StolidPanda


People on here have clung to things with far, far less substance and meat.

That's true. However, you've only been here a fortnight and you're talking about ATS trends? Also, pretty much everything you post is anti Trump.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Also, pretty much everything you post is anti Trump.

Nobody ever says, "Also, pretty much everything you post is pro-Trump" as though doing so proves some point about a poster. Have you considered that folks might want to prepare for a four year uptick in anti-Trump threads unless the GOP ends up impeaching and removing him from office? (Which seems like a definite possibility.)

Regardless of any possible vote rigging, there's no real support for overturning the election results from either party. Personally, I have to admit that a big part of me finds the prospect very appealing. FFS, the President-elect is still tweeting garbage as fact that he read on Twitter. He's appointing a bunch of wingnut cronies and shows absolutely no signs of removing himself from his business interests.

Like I said, the idea that we could avoid the unfolding Donald Debacle is very appealing.

Unfortunately, what would be required to spare us that fate would be so massively destablizing that the "cure" would almost certainly be worse than the disease.