ATS made the list. We are somebody now

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Please note that our criteria are behavioral. That means the characteristics of the propaganda outlets we identify are motivation-agnostic. For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide "useful idiots" of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.

So they are creating a new RED SCARE type of scenario. Hillary triggered supporters to think the Russians are hacking even though proof was otherwise. Now this fake news thing is because the real news sites want the game all to themselves so they can still have the clout to shill and protect their advertisers. Social Media like Facebook and Twitter are contributing/buying in to this Chinese-like censorship too because Social Media can be used to distribute information.

While I don't think ATS is a Russian propaganda machine, there is no doubt I see a lot more pro Russian posts than anti Russian posts. I've commented on it before. There is a lot of praise to RT, Putin, and hate towards America and Europe when it comes to posts on this site.

So I am hardly surprised. And I AM surprised anyone else, if they actually follow posts on this site, would think there is nothing to this. I've watched pro American posts get blasted by people who think Russia is the poor, meek, humble, abused nation beset by surrounding evils. It's hilarious honestly. Russia has just as much or more blood on their hands, they are corrupt, they have just as much a corrupt or more-so government who is in bed with the Russian mafia.. but they get a pass.. because.. evil America.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Please note that our criteria are behavioral. That means the characteristics of the propaganda outlets we identify are motivation-agnostic. For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide "useful idiots" of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.

Maybe a Sorcha Fail article, or RT video or two has been posted here, and they use that as "criteria". Nonsense.

Propornot is a sham website, fake news. It is more propaganda than ATS will ever be.

There's just as much pro USA threads posts and material.
You have both camps well and truly represented there is no shortage of people on either side.
That therefore means propaganda is being posted either knowingly or unknowingly.
Now just because they haven't said it's a pro West/USA propaganda site doesn't mean anything, as they haven't said it isn't either. They've just focused on the one side.

That's not disputable.
What is disputable is this site, ATS, being labelled a news site.
An online asylum would be a better description.


You should all stop worrying. We live in the Information Age. The international order is being tested and is evolving, there's proxy wars, there's cyber warfare, and an information war going on. Of course a large online community like ATS that people post and talk about politics and global affairs will come under some sort of spotlight eventually.

Are we mastering the Human Terrain yet? Doesn't look so much like that, somebody is being desperate.

It was never about the Russians to begin with. Not after 9/11, not after Manning and Snowden. And it aint about Vlad the Impalers spin now, this 'friendly' propaganda is the reason why people actually checked out RT to begin with.

Ya know... the other terrorist organisation. And 'friendly service announcements' keep pushing them there with blatant paternalism and strong words, I guess this should be reason enough for any alternative media-outlet to throw a heck of a party. ATS has tons of users, just saying...

Stay frosty!

a reply to: Kettu

Well let me know when I can look up info on Göbekli Tepe on MSM sites... I am offended as an American that I would be considered a Russian prop tool by the Waspos .. Bc I read/write ATS. Quite a wide generalization if you ask me. I get your concern but you can't judge ATS users on a current news cycle.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Please note that our criteria are behavioral. That means the characteristics of the propaganda outlets we identify are motivation-agnostic. For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide "useful idiots" of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.

So they are creating a new RED SCARE type of scenario. Hillary triggered supporters to think the Russians are hacking even though proof was otherwise. Now this fake news thing is because the real news sites want the game all to themselves so they can still have the clout to shill and protect their advertisers. Social Media like Facebook and Twitter are contributing/buying in to this Chinese-like censorship too because Social Media can be used to distribute information.

Now try to imagine if you will, Hillary triggered supporters being told that Aliens were hacking the election. They'd believe that one too no doubt.

FB and Twitter are beginning to act a lot like Chinese dictators I totally agree with that, and it's not pleasant. Changing the laws slowly as not to be noticed a change is occuring. People always accept slow changes over time.

a reply to: thepixelpusher



The Soviets scared them to the core, they knew back in the day what their punishment would be. The same as the Czar got. They know that they are stealing the lives of the common working folk, but they cant stop because the more they get the more they want. The more money you have the more money you get. So paranoia and guilt come with heavy doses of rationalising like "We earned it" when they have never done a hard days work in their lives. Philanthropy comes to assuage the guilt of having to much. Then the next generation these parasites, breed actually think they are better than everyone else, superior to the common people, when they couldn't compete for any occupation on merit alone because they wouldn't have a frigging clue. Then the rot of the idle sets in,and what ever level of civilisation we have claimed, is lost. By their moral decay. Somewhere between Capitalism and socialism, lies the only way, the truth is usually in the middle . So If they are allowed to think, they are beyond the law. Then its the end of civilised society and back to the usual miserable medieval # pile, that for most of history,common humanity has had to put up with. They have killed the free press, compromised the justice system. Well that's what happens when criminals take over. And they always will if you let them.

a reply to: thepixelpusher

So they are creating a new RED SCARE type of scenario. Hillary triggered supporters to think the Russians are hacking even though proof was otherwise.

Please provide this "proof."

a reply to: DJW001

well...the fact that there isn't a single voting machine that connects to the internet is pretty compelling evidence.

If we are to believe the Russians can hack our elections....then certainly the Clintons could do it with all their influence, right?

The claim is so ludicrous that it really only deserves ridicule.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

well...the fact that there isn't a single voting machine that connects to the internet is pretty compelling evidence.

That's a straw man; of course they did not hack voting machines, they hacked Podesta's emails. The first batch was designed to disaffect Sanders voters, the following ones were massive enough that no-one could fully digest them, but Russian propagandists were able to create the impression that they were somehow incriminating. This propaganda was gleefully seized upon by the American right. The purpose was not to put Trump in the White House, it was to undermine faith in liberal democracy. It has succeeded in spades. I assume PixelPusher has proof that they have not done this, even though top intelligence analysts, some with access to classified information, believe it to be the case.

a reply to: DJW001

I assume PixelPusher has proof that they have not done this, even though top intelligence analysts, some with access to classified information, believe it to be the case.

Yes and no is the answer in that order.

There is no proof the Russians hacked anything related to the election. Top officials stated there was no Russian involvement. Unless you are James Comey, I don't think you have any proof, except the weak drivel spouted by Hillary during her losing campaign that few people trusted.

White House denies that Russia hacked election for Donald Trump win

Read and learn.

The Obama administration confirmed the 2016 results, telling the New York Times that the presidential contest "accurately reflects the will of the American people."

But the administration insists that no foreign government meddled in American elections.

So you think you know more than Obama? This is a link to the Washington Examiner, not Infowars (even though they had a fine article too).

a reply to: Springer

That was my guess, but thanks for clarifying.

I think the old adage of "There is no such thing as bad publicity" can be used in this instance.

Go ATS

You guys seem to be skipping the facts about voting machine hacks. Clinton Curtis testified that the programming of the machines were deliberately left unsecured or able to flip votes from the manufacturing program assembly.
testimony

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a reply to: thepixelpusher

There is no proof the Russians hacked anything related to the election. Top officials stated there was no Russian involvement.

But I thought you said:

Hillary triggered supporters to think the Russians are hacking even though proof was otherwise.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Where is your proof that the Russians did not hack Podesta's emails to influence the election? That is the claim. It was Trump who alleged the election was "rigged" and predicted massive voter fraud.

a reply to: ezramullins

This is terrific! I got a new reading list. Those useful idiots over at The List just made me aware of a bunch of new sites I'm gonna keep up with!

a reply to: ezramullins

I've arrived late to this thread but posting that list at "propornot" is a good way to send more traffic to all of the linked websites. I've not visited every one of them over the years; many, yes, but not all. Some I never liked to begin with.

None of the non-mainstream news websites and forums would have taken off if it wasn't (weren't?) for so many people realizing the massive amount of lies and blackouts on truth they were being fed by the mainstream news.

I happened across this from (gasp) RT posted on November 25th:

"'Journalistic Garbage': Greenwald & others slam WaPo for ‘insane’ Russian propaganda story"

I arrived late too, I am very surprised that ATS is in the list of Russian propaganda sites, but once I let it sink in I understand why, after all ATS have quite a variety of international members and posters.

But for me that has been here for many years, I say is nothing but BS, this only reassure us here that the so call propaganda of Russian hacking the elections is as much BS as the Washington Post list and the present administration spewed crap to create and ambiance of distrust within the American people.

The end result is more protest dissent and discontent for those that our own media outlets lie indiscriminately for years.

This so call hacking is for the sole purpose to steer attention away from the media lies.

Btw, no one knows who PropOrNot actually is. Not even WaPer who published whole cloth their claims.

The second group is something called PropOrNot, about which very little is known. Its website doesn’t name anyone who is associated with it, including the researchers who worked on the report. And the Post doesn’t name the group’s executive director, whom it quotes, because it says he is afraid of “being targeted by Russia’s legions of skilled hackers.”

Apparently, they list certain blogs and groups as "allies" and contacting those groups have caused them to say they don't know who PropOrNot is and that they have no real affiliation at all with them.

PropOrNot’s Twitter TWTR -0.88% account, which tweets and retweets anti-Russian sentiments from a variety of sources, has only existed since August of this year. And an article announcing the launch of the group on its website is dated last month.

According to the description, PropOrNot includes an unidentified number of “concerned American citizens with a wide range of backgrounds and expertise, including professional experience in computer science, statistics, public policy, and national security affairs.”

Gee, so they sound like a random group of people who claim they have experience. Sort of like an internet forum with people who say they have this or that experience in their background *looks around* ... not familiar with that at all.

The list has both right and legitimate left wing sites on it.

Accounts run by or associated with Russia Today, Sputnik and other state-controlled entities are a fairly obvious source of this kind of thing. But it’s the attempt to broaden this into a nefarious global scheme that weakens the group’s argument.

Maybe this is what gets us tarred? People here us RT as a source? But then, even though it's Russian government owned media. Isn't it useful to know what the Russian government thinks about things on certain topics, and on other ones, it's a just a different shade on something that well, who cares? What spin is RT going to put in a live disaster feed?

For example, the article refers to what it calls “useful idiots” as being part of this campaign, a group that includes any social-media accounts which “regurgitate Russian themes and ‘facts’ without necessarily taking direction from Russia, or collaborating in a fully informed manner.”

And if you use RT as a source, I guess you are now "useful idiot."

Conclusion:

In effect, both of these groups want to portray anyone who shared a salacious but untrue news story about Hillary Clinton as an agent of an orchestrated Russian intelligence campaign.

I guess the other aspect is that sometimes we share stuff that is clickbaity. Oh horror! We also have a good deal of fun with it especially as the crap is very quickly spotted in most cases. And let's be plain. This is a conspiracy forum. Our job is to deal as much in theory and fantasy and speculation as it the what ifs on some topics as much as it is to dig into places that maybe shouldn't (or other don't want to) be dug into -- Pizzagate, I'm looking at you -- because those are intriguing mysteries.