Women shouldn't be allowed abortion

a reply to: soulwaxer

Actually, it's more like saying there's no difference between a live chicken, and an unfertalized egg.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Although many pro-lifers say a 2 week old fetus is capable of understanding calculus.

Development of the central nervous system starts at around 16-17 weeks. Prior to 16 weeks, self-awareness (sentience) is impossible.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

If you are really serious about ending abortion the best way to do it is by reducing poverty and making sure female literacy is very high. Hand out free condoms would help too. But all those practical public policies are also immoral.

Lol!! That caused me some amusement .... In my somewhat long

life among my peers and older and younger women when discussing intimate

details, I have lost count of the number of excuses we have all had at one time

or another that men make so as not to use a condom .....

# allergies

# too small

# uncomfortable

# lack of sensation

# like having a bath with wellies on

# dont like them ..............

I am sure all the women on this thread have heard that along with other excuses.


By the way they can be got *free* in the UK so that cant be an excuse!

originally posted by: projectvxn

Tell me something, how long after birth can a baby stay alive independently?

I have to say that is pathetic of you I expected better .... If a woman has

gone to full term she will obviously nurture the child. If she has gone full

term it was obviously a *wanted* child.


However a fetus/embryo's organs are compromised and immature and

it hasn't a hope in hell of surviving under 22 weeks gestation regardless

on the best medical intervention.

Think that in the first trimester it should be paid for by medical services like we have. But that should only be first trimester and after that if its a life and death situation or harmful to the family, they'd have to play a waiting game for the baby to become viable enough, ie over 20 weeks, to at least up both of their chances for survival and to use the best tech means necessary to try and save both lives.

Anything beyond the first trimester is barbaric and to me its just because satanists run things and they like to sacrifice children.

originally posted by: SaturnFX
My qualifications for what a person is, is different than yours.
your bar is set on survivability. mine is thought = person.

Only a fetus is not a person. If a woman dies while pregnant the medical

profession will not remove the fetus if it is under 6 months gestation

because it will not survive.... it has no hope of life, but over the

6 months they will give her a ceasearian and save the baby because it

is no longer a fetus.

my qualifications hits around the 4th month, 3 to adjust for any possible error, yours is murky. what happens if a baby is born and survives at 21 weeks and 4 days? suddenly the extra day abortions were bad? what if treatment allows for 20 weeks? etc.

*OH LOOK* Another man telling a woman what she should

do... Are You a doctor

originally posted by: omniEther
Majority of women who have abortion were not raped and/or did not commit incest.

They just didn't want their baby amd I have to say that's a thin line between first-degree pre-meditated murder

Civil rights are violated when people are deprived of their basic rights in a discriminatory fashion. Unborn children are deprived of life which is the most basic right of all simply based on their location their mother’s womb and their developmental status. This is discriminatory, inhuman, and cruel.

Unborn human beings are living, separate, and unique. From the moment of "fertilization" better known as conception. a new human life is in existence. Ending this life is not ending “potential.” It is ending a life.

What women do is none of your damned business.

originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: omniEther

I'm going to play the devil's advocate because I strongly oppose abortion as I view it as a privilege, not a right. However, rights are granted upon birth, not conception.

DISCLAIMER: Reasons are moral and logic with a basis in biology, not religion.

I acknowledge your advocacy and ask, how does a few inches of maternal tissue prevent a human child from having their rights recognized? When you can see a child pushing against the mother's womb and causing her abdomen to distend, how can anyone say there is not a person in there? When we can see 3-D sonograms of fully developed babies, how can you deny them their humanity?

originally posted by: eletheia
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*OH LOOK* Another man telling a woman what she should

do... Are You a doctor

I noticed you didn't answer the question but instead decided to make it about me.
I didn't say what to do at all, I was explaining my views. If you felt I was telling you to do something, that is your own conscious kicking you...this is whats called being influenced by someone elses view.

The last ditch is to abandon the discussion and attack the person bringing up their opinion.
that means you failed your own stance here as my opinion on how I see the subject threatened your own views.

I accept your surrender.

originally posted by: eletheia
Only a fetus is not a person. If a woman dies while pregnant the medical

profession will not remove the fetus if it is under 6 months gestation

because it will not survive.... it has no hope of life, but over the

6 months they will give her a ceasearian and save the baby because it

is no longer a fetus.

Yet if that woman is killed, the person who killed her is charged with two counts of manslaughter/murder.

How many women would have abortions if they had to be the fetus that was being aborted ? ...and that was the only price they had to pay. They only had to experience what the fetus experiences and then they could go back to their life again after it is over.

If that was the case I bet abortions would become almost non-existent what do you want a bet ? And yet who could argue with the justice of the scenario that I just stated ?

But I know exactly what you will do you will ignore it and just go on spouting about your own agenda and why you should be able to do it anyways.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

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a reply to: ksiezyc

isnt that treating human life like a thing? who gives these rights out? and who decided they are given out at birth? as soon as a person is conceived their potential enters existence.

im playing double devils advocate i guess. i support peoples rights to have abortions. but i dont pretend that its up to me. i simply dont believe that human life is all that precious. i belive in a soul and souls dont die. if you arent conceived today you'll get conceived tomorrow. the universe is big and it isnt going anywhere. theres plenty of possibilities.

a reply to: omniEther

From personal experience, I agree with your assessment. There will always be women who break the law, but in general, abortions in the USA should be against the law.

a reply to: HarryJoy
Do you not trust a woman to make a medical decision for herself? Are you willing to deal with the consequences of making abortions illegal and fully outlawed?

Think about it very carefully, for if they outlaw and ban such a procedure, there will be consequences that will affect everyone in the country, no matter how old, or young, rich or poor.

The laws and court cases that govern abortion, that even stated such is legal, everyone benefits from those very protections put in them.

Consider this, before Roe V. Wade, from the 1950’s to the 1960’s, the number of illegal abortions ranged between 200,000 to 12 million per year. In one analysis, extrapolating from the data in North Carolina, it was concluded that there was an estimated 829,000 illegal or self-induced abortions that occurred in 1967. And in 1930, it was listed, the official cause of deal, for almost 2700 women, nearly 1/5 about 18% were from illegal abortions. While that number decreased with the advent of antibiotics, the reality is that many times it was the poor who suffered the most from such.

Now, as I stated that there were protections that all benefit from. Roe V. Wade was also a case about privacy, between a patient and a doctor, and where a person’s medical records and procedures were no longer opens to debate or public discourse.

Are you prepared to have the government intrude in any of your medical procedures, where now a someone can open up your private medical record and have you questioned about such, or even bring you into a court to have to explain yourself? Are we prepared for another government agency, increasing the size to where now our very medical privacy is no longer there?

Banning abortions, and leaving no option for such, also means that there also has to be where people have to accept and no longer object to things like sex education that goes beyond abstinence, or even birth control and contraceptives.

And then there is the one small detail, what about a woman who chooses to leave a state which does not allow for an abortion and travels to another and has the procedure, then what? Do you go after and punish a woman who has terminated her pregnancy? Usually laws like that tends to punishing both those who have and those who have not.

I don't agree with abortion either, but I'd rather a professional do it than some underground situation. I also don't think people should stand in front of Planned Parenthood with mouths and signs full of hatred. My ex had an abortion earlier in her life, and I watched her heart break every time we had to drive by there. I've never seen mourning like that, and I'd think twice before judging someone for getting one. You haven't a clue what's it's done to their psyche.

Also, if you're a man like myself, it's really best just to shut your mouth. It's not really our issue. Your only duty is to pray. Keep your judgements to yourself.

Oh really?
Well I think you should mind your own business and not tell women what they can and can't do.

It's your right to disagree , but it's not your place to judge.

originally posted by: eletheia

Only a fetus is not a person. If a woman dies while pregnant the medical

profession will not remove the fetus if it is under 6 months gestation

because it will not survive.... it has no hope of life, but over the

6 months they will give her a ceasearian and save the baby because it

is no longer a fetus.

Wow, that's a really good point. I never heard that before.

originally posted by: omniEther
Majority of women who have abortion were not raped and/or did not commit incest.

They just didn't want their baby amd I have to say that's a thin line between first-degree pre-meditated murder

...

Unborn human beings are living, separate, and unique. From the moment of "fertilization" better known as conception. a new human life is in existence. Ending this life is not ending “potential.” It is ending a life.

I think a woman should have the possibility to have an abortion for one or more reasons. It is happening in her body - but "it" being a separate, living human, means that the reasons should be good.

If a woman wants an abortion, but the biological father wants to keep the baby, there shouldn't be an abortion, and he should get custody. It takes two to tango, and that child is just as much his as hers - but it's happening in her body.

In case of this happening in an established relationship, they should probably split up.

originally posted by: jaymp
I don't agree with abortion either, but I'd rather a professional do it than some underground situation.

Being Pro-Choice-to a point as it should not be abused nor done late term unless medically and other dire situations as needed, am happy to see others aligning with some of what the pro crowd does.

I also don't think people should stand in front of Planned Parenthood with mouths and signs full of hatred. My ex had an abortion earlier in her life, and I watched her heart break every time we had to drive by there. I've never seen mourning like that, and I'd think twice before judging someone for getting one. You haven't a clue what's it's done to their psyche.

Exactly, makes it even worse on the person.

Also, if you're a man like myself, it's really best just to shut your mouth. It's not really our issue. Your only duty is to pray. Keep your judgements to yourself.

Men and religious women seem to be the most vocal as are older women who can no longer have children. They had a choice then why can't us younger women especially in the case of a health issue for example-no, not saying for birth control?