Is the election actually over? Last ditch effort underway to elect Hillary....

a reply to: underwerks

Wait... the people who wanted the democratic party.... lost the vote in a democratic election.... now they are trying to change things going against democracy.... what a bunch of hypocrits... i didnt vote trump but ya'll are a bunch of hypocritical #s.

a reply to: underwerks

They're not going to pull anything.

Most of them can't by law, and even if they did, there would be an ungodly uproar.

The majority of states voted for Trump, electors represent their state and will vote in line with how the people of their state voted.

I hear they're all by the book kind of guys. Except that one person who said he wouldn't vote for Hillary even if she won his state I guess.

originally posted by: underwerks
Is there a specific law that says that once a concession is offered its over?

No, it doesn't matter. A concession is non-binding. Al Gore retracted his election night concession in 2000.

As for the electors going rogue and overturning the results themselves, it won't happen. You might see one or two change, but they all know that the consequences should they subvert the electoral process in such a manner as to change the overall outcome would be catastrophic for our democratic process and for the country as a whole.

a reply to: DAVID64

They are democrats against democracy... that should be the antiprotestor slogan #Democratsagainstdemocracy... #ing spoiled #s

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: underwerks

They're not going to pull anything.

Most of them can't by law, and even if they did, there would be an ungodly uproar.

The majority of states voted for Trump, electors represent their state and will vote in line with how the people of their state voted.

I hear they're all by the book kind of guys. Except that one person who said he wouldn't vote for Hillary even if she won his state I guess.

There's no law saying the electors have to vote the way their state did. If the Clinton's are as shady as everyone says I wouldn't put it past them trying to upset the race like this. Its worth keeping your eyes open, at any rate.

a reply to: underwerks

Numerous states do in fact have laws that bind electoral votes.

Some void them if they are faithless votes.

Faithless electors are very rare indeed. Only 175 in the past 300 years and however many elections that is (38 I think)

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: underwerks

Numerous states do in fact have laws that bind electoral votes.

Some void them if they are faithless votes.

Faithless electors are very rare indeed. Only 175 in the past 300 years and however many elections that is (38 I think)

Thanks I didn't know that. I'll check it out. This just seemed really shady to me when I heard about it.

you don`t get to be elector by being wishy washy, the electors are all die hard party loyalists there`s no way a republican elector will cast their vote for Hillary.

originally posted by: theantediluvian

Nobody on this site is more anti-Trump than me, it stings knowing that the person you voted for won the popular vote and lost the electoral college — and this is twice in 16 years —

This is premature speculation...at this point even CNN projects
Trump with the majority of the popular vote, and electoral votes.

originally posted by: Tardacus
you don`t get to be elector by being wishy washy, the electors are all die hard party loyalists there`s no way a republican elector will cast their vote for Hillary.

I would hope that to be true, but honestly who really knows what's happening behind the scenes? If the Clinton body count is to be believed I don't see delegate intimidation being a stretch for them.

originally posted by: burntheships
This is premature speculation...at this point even CNN projects
Trump with the majority of the popular vote, and electoral votes.

Not anymore. CNN is not projecting either one to win the popular vote, right now.

Link

I keep feeling like another shoe is going to drop.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: burntheships
This is premature speculation...at this point even CNN projects
Trump with the majority of the popular vote, and electoral votes.

Not anymore. CNN is not projecting either one to win the popular vote, right now.

Link

I keep feeling like another shoe is going to drop.

If these riots get out of control between now and December 19th and something crazy happens, you might be right.

a reply to: underwerks

Unfortunately there is no actual law for concession and whats on the books can be vague..however the numbers were way too far in his favor. Arizona just reported that Trump won..so the margin is way too wide. But a full concession like Hillary's plays on the psychology of the masses and historically would not gather enough momentum for a recount or especially a revote.

a reply to: underwerks

29 states have laws preventing faithless electors from ruining the will of their state's voters. Of the 21 which do not have such laws, only PA and NH were close contests (In fact, Trump took over 50% of the vote in 25 of the states he won... that's in a 4 candidate race). In all likelihood, Trump has won Michigan and their 16 electoral votes, pushing him to 306... So let's say all 20 of PA's electors go rogue. Still leaves Trump at 286. Let's say Utah's 6 make a religious statement and vote for McMullin... Trump still at 280. The rest of the states without laws blocking faithless electors are all very large wins for Trump or states Clinton won. I can tell you this, if an elector from one of the states where he won big voted against him and swung the election, that elector probably would be wise to not set foot back in their home state because they'd not likely survive to see the next sunrise.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: underwerks

29 states have laws preventing faithless electors from ruining the will of their state's voters. Of the 21 which do not have such laws, only PA and NH were close contests (In fact, Trump took over 50% of the vote in 25 of the states he won... that's in a 4 candidate race). In all likelihood, Trump has won Michigan and their 16 electoral votes, pushing him to 306... So let's say all 20 of PA's electors go rogue. Still leaves Trump at 286. Let's say Utah's 6 make a religious statement and vote for McMullin... Trump still at 280. The rest of the states without laws blocking faithless electors are all very large wins for Trump or states Clinton won. I can tell you this, if an elector from one of the states where he won big voted against him and swung the election, that elector probably would be wise to not set foot back in their home state because they'd not likely survive to see the next sunrise.

Thanks. I'm by no means an expert in the mechanics of the presidential election. This just seems shady to me. Could the Clinton's offer them a deal they can't refuse?

hillary would need more than 20 republican electorates to change sides. I think historically there has been 1? I have a hard time with the idea that the people who voted for Trump to win those electoral votes sitting quietly while being disenfranchised. You think there are riots now? Wait until this happens...

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
hillary would need more than 20 republican electorates to change sides. I think historically there has been 1? I have a hard time with the idea that the people who voted for Trump to win those electoral votes sitting quietly while being disenfranchised. You think there are riots now? Wait until this happens...

That's what I was thinking as well. Maybe that's the plan.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
hillary would need more than 20 republican electorates to change sides. I think historically there has been 1? I have a hard time with the idea that the people who voted for Trump to win those electoral votes sitting quietly while being disenfranchised. You think there are riots now? Wait until this happens...

That's what I was thinking as well. Maybe that's the plan.

That would be a stupid plan. Conservatives have all the guns.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

So let me get this right .Trump wins the election but in theory there are two ways this can be overturned . America your election process needs an overhaul from top to bottom , and quickly .

a reply to: underwerks

They can hope anything they want, our election system is very clear, the person elected is the one that gets to seat in the White house, Hillary will never be president.