What happened to respect and honor once held for Office of the Presidency?

a reply to: Grimpachi

" It is obvious. Vote third party so we are not stuck with a two party system in the next election. "


That is not what I meant . The Voting System Itself must be Changed .

What I find so difficult is separating partisan politics from fact. A lot of you say XYZ about Trump or Clinton, but so much of it's partisan in nature. The news networks spin everything. Speeches are taken out of context. It's a whirlwind of s*** and it's so hard to know what's going on. And this is why I forgive anybody who votes for the wrong person. We're fallible. What's important is once you know your vote was bad, don't support that person and don't vote for them again.

I'm probably going to vote for Hillary. I know a lot of you hate her and think she's a criminal, but I just haven't come to the same conclusion. I've seen accusation, just like I've seen allegations against Trump. The FBI has not concluded their investigation of her emails. No official agency has convicted her of a crime. The arguments seem to be over her choices as secretary of state, as well as her apparent manipulation in various ways of public opinion and even of governments across the world--sometimes via the Clinton Foundation or those in her campaign. And yet she has not been convicted of any crime. If she uses the system LEGALLY in manipulative ways, just as Trump used the tax system and various laws to "rob" the system, it becomes more subjective who's good and who's bad, since there's no legal framework in place yet to judge it.

I've voted independent for POTUS since Gore. I'm not a democrat. I've voted for republicans before. I haven't voted yet though. Maybe one of you can convince me to not vote for Hillary. It's possible. I won't vote for Trump, however. He's crossed a line with me and it's no go for launch.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I do not know what you mean by that.

The voting system is set up so there would be more than a two party system, but voters are too stupid to take advantage of it. Every election there are millions in blue states that vote republican and accomplish nothing same as the millions in red states that vote democrat and accomplish nothing.

Instead of wasting their votes they should be voting third party so the next election will not be so lopsided in favor of the two party system.

Many of those same people that waste their votes complain election after election about how bad the choices are from the two party system.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
What I find so difficult is separating partisan politics from fact. A lot of you say XYZ about Trump or Clinton, but so much of it's partisan in nature. The news networks spin everything. Speeches are taken out of context. It's a whirlwind of s*** and it's so hard to know what's going on. And this is why I forgive anybody who votes for the wrong person. We're fallible. What's important is once you know your vote was bad, don't support that person and don't vote for them again.

I'm probably going to vote for Hillary. I know a lot of you hate her and think she's a criminal, but I just haven't come to the same conclusion. I've seen accusation, just like I've seen allegations against Trump. The FBI has not concluded their investigation of her emails. No official agency has convicted her of a crime. The arguments seem to be over her choices as secretary of state, as well as her apparent manipulation in various ways of public opinion and even of governments across the world--sometimes via the Clinton Foundation or those in her campaign. And yet she has not been convicted of any crime. If she uses the system LEGALLY in manipulative ways, just as Trump used the tax system and various laws to "rob" the system, it becomes more subjective who's good and who's bad, since there's no legal framework in place yet to judge it.

I've voted independent for POTUS since Gore. I'm not a democrat. I've voted for republicans before. I haven't voted yet though. Maybe one of you can convince me to not vote for Hillary. It's possible.

You Do Realize what a Hillary Clinton Presidency Entails to Americans Constitutional Rights don't You ? Better take a Closer Look into that before you decide to Vote for Tyranny Sir .

Has America really gone that far down the proverbial path of self-destroying immoral collapse

Yes it has.

a reply to: Grimpachi

The Problem with our Current Voting System is it is Based on Money Spent . No Third or Fourth Party can Exist when the System is Rigged to the Almighty Dollar . Limits on Campaign Spending must first be put in place before any Party other than the Dems and Reps would have an Equal Voice in American Politics today .

a reply to: Zanti Misfit
Constitutional rights? Enlighten me where she wants to trample on it?

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Hopefully you are not voting in that case because that would make you a complete hypocrite since no platform has put forward you reasoning.

I am voting third so that they will get the same perks in funding next election that the two major parties enjoy.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: angeldoll

If you think there is any lower the Clintons could go, then you aren't looking.

Trump is crude, but the Clintons only have a polished veneer that hides the scum underneath.

Why do insist on telling me what I do, and do not do? Of course I've looked. I would nix Clinton too if the slander against her was true, which it isn't.

Why do YOU buy into cheap conspiracy theories and calumnies against the Clinton's? Bill Clinton did more for this country than anybody in my life time. Perhaps you are the one who needs to look, and learn to separate fact from fiction.

Take off the blinders. Cheap conspiracy theories? lol. smh.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Rezlooper

I understand your angst, but you obviously don't get the issue at the core of this election. Try watching today's "Global Public Square" by Fareed Zakaria on CNN and you'll see what the real, central issue is with this election.

In a nutshell, it has nothing whatsoever to do with ethics or morality or even criminality. What it has to do with is the Globalist Elites behind Clinton v. Nationalist/Trade Protectionists for Trump.

What the Trump supporters don't understand is that we live in a multi-polar world with no single great leader/power. The US has been eclipsed on the International scale, its lost the moral high ground and is now no better than Russia or China, if as good. The Globalist Elites are all about open markets, free trade, open borders, etc.

Like it or not..........the world is coming to the US; with Clinton as POTUS, the open borders policy will open even further with fewer restrictions and there's now a campaign to let non citizens vote in US elections.

With that in mind, why would anyone "respect" the office of POTUS? For that matter, why would anyone respect any piece of the US Government, or any of it all? With Globalization, its irrelevant; its just a taxing authority. Piss on it!

The real truth of the matter? Regardless of who wins POTUS, we all lose.

I agree with many of your points. You are right about the fight between the global elites and the trade protectionists. And still, I have to choose America first... which would make me a Nationalist/trade protectionist. Go Trump!

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
It is easy to take the quick response path on a question like this but we do ourselves a disservice in doing so. It is more than disrespecting the office and the person holding it. And it is more than the breakdown of the fabric of society. It is, however, an amalgam of these and many other deleterious things.

Respect for authority has declined significantly in recent years. That is due largely to authority figures acting in such a manner as to lose respect. They are shameful self serving narcissists. Who can respect that except someone of the same ilk? And the shameful narcissistic behavior reaches to the highest office in the land bringing the disrespect along with it.

When congress can pass no legislation other than one that guarantees them a salary increase they deserve no respect.

When a president cares more about his legacy than this nation he deserves no respect.

When a politician cares more about projecting their agenda than representing their constituents they deserve no respect.

When a police officer is willing to lie to cover the criminal acts of fellow officers they deserve no respect.

The common thread among all these positions is that they should be held to a higher standard of behavior as they are the ones meant to hold us to an accepted standard of behavior. The moment that stops happening it becomes a tiered system of special privileges for some and draconian punishment for others.

That perception leads to revolt. People do not like being cheated, mistreated, and disenfranchised. Especially by the people tasked with preventing such things from happening. When is the last time anyone walked in to traffic court with even the slightest impression of innocent until proven guilty? When is the last time anyone felt that police officers do not abuse their authority? When is the last time anyone honestly felt that they were being fully represented in congress? That is a whole lot of unhappy people...

This pretty much answers your question Rezlooper. In a nutshell too.
Altho honestly the downward spiral began with Nixon's shenanigans. He was the first president in the TV era hauled in front of congressional hearings to explain his illegal activities while holding office and it "awoke" the public.

I spoke to a friend after Obama was elected and I'd noticed the media had shifted from the terminology of using President Obama to just Obama. Regardless of my opinion of the man I was soundly shocked by this disrespect of the office. Sure ragging on "the shrub" was always in vogue, but he was always referred to as President Bush in the media.
I could never figure out why if the government held such an allegedly tight grip on the MSM why this wasn't stopped immediately?

Now 12 years into this disrespect of the office dinned into our ears I can't see it reverting.
It's like an era ended and most people didn't notice.

originally posted by: Kapriti
a reply to: Rezlooper

If I may respond to the title you chose... all of that died with the public execution of President Kennedy.

US citizens were not at first aware that a cabal had seized power through his execution and the ascendancy of Lyndon B. Johnson to the Presidency ... but in the course of my lifetime I have watched more and more citizens of the USA awaken to the horror of the reality if by varying degrees of awareness.

And that same Cabal has been there ever since though the Bush/Clinton cabal, as shown in conspiracy circles with George Bush, Sr. in Dallas that day, as part of the CIA.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: Zanti Misfit
Constitutional rights? Enlighten me where she wants to trample on it?

If you do not know by Now about the Platform Hillary is Running on in this Election , then you are Lost . Do some research , it is All out there Plain as Day to see . You can Start with her Views on certain Constitutional Amendments .

a reply to: Grimpachi

" no platform has put forward you reasoning. "


Voting Reform has Nothing to do with Anyone's " Platform " , it's about the People Demanding a Fair Voting System that Represents their Bests Interests , and Not Any Political Party . The Electoral College is also a Flawed System


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What happened to respect and honor once held for Office of the Presidency?

What happened? We started putting less than honorable and respectable people into the office. That simple.

...and it started a long time ago.

originally posted by: seagull


What happened to respect and honor once held for Office of the Presidency?

It got caught in the crossfire back on Nov 22, the day JFK was murdered.... see, the President was not the only victim at the orchestrated Dealy Plaza firestorm


later in 2008, the tattered fragments of honor+respect were bundled up & sent to a Kenyan mosoleum for a hidden burial in another of the arm-pits of the world....or so the tale I been told goes

a reply to: St Udio

It started before 11-22-1963.

Kennedy and his crowd were no saints. Truman surely wasn't. We won't even discuss Wilson and his flaming bigotry, and the list goes on.

I suppose that some of the folks we've put into the WH were honorable after a fashion. Though I'm really having trouble coming up with one...

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DBCowboy

We won't get people worthy of respect until we get a populace who recalls what real values are.

THIS!

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Rezlooper

It started to go down hill after Kennedy was assassinated.

Or after Ben Franklin said, ya got a constitutional republic, IF you can keep it.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Good for you. Stick to your guns! Its a lost cause. The Elites always win in the end.