BREAKING: O'Keefe Video #3

a reply to: AboveBoard

I agree that if the Project Veritas videos are to be taken at face value then full transparency is in order. The full unedited videos used should be made available. O'Keefe should be happy to do that if everything he is showing is as it seems, AND if he wants these videos to be taken seriously and be effective.

I assume the unedited videos would be subject to discovery, anyway, if any potential court cases are advanced to the discovery phase.

O'Keefe is doing no favors by editing and not releasing the unedited videos. He can do both and eliminate any debate as to what the videos represent.

Honestly, I don't take these videos, the NYT video showing 'unfiltered Trump voices,' or other similar videos at face value and I suspect they are distractions, at the very least -- especially in these critical weeks leading into the election.

I want to reiterate that James O'Keefe is a self-professed progressive radical. Link

So are the people he is 'exposing.'

If you are willing to consider the 'controlled opposition' scheme laid out in the Project Veritas videos, then is it that unreasonable to wonder if O'Keefe is controlled opposition, too?

I don't think it is.

I am going to make a prediction...any civil cases resulting from the Project Veritas videos will be rejected or dropped or thrown out. The correct defendants won't be named, there will be no standing under the laws argued, or the legal arguments will be intentionally weak...or something else will cause them to fail.

I am getting the same sense from wikileaks...all eyes are being diverted and there's a lot of effort going into that without any substantive, effective, smoking-gun results to warrant all the attention.

I know Hillary Clinton is corrupt. If wikileaks doesn't have the goods to show that effectively, then I wish they would stop hogging up all the attention. And then there's all the other drama involving Assange, the recent death of the director, etc....

It's like 'they' want people distracted by this and know it will produce no substantive result as far as the outcome of the election is concerned.

Voting is already well underway. Election cases are being heard and decided. I hope people are paying attention to that stuff, too.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Are you implying he wouldn't have been fired for his actions had he not "stepped down"?

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix


Ok...does that prove something?

Yes, it proves he is a criminal, and has again
engaged in criminal actions, taking orders
directly from Hillary Clinton.

He is a past criminal, and there are zero criminal actions in this video.

And there is also zero proof he is taking orders directly from Hillary.

But keep trying.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Are you implying he wouldn't have been fired for his actions had he not "stepped down"?

In this case, even saying "stepping down" is incorrect.

He is "stepping back" from his role in dealing with the Hillary campaign. He still has his job, and from his statement it isn't even clear if his organization as a whole stepped back or if it was just him. His statement was a personal statement, so I would assume his organization is still working with the campaign.

And none of what has been shown in the videos is illegal...so it's still just grasping at straws.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

You are the one making a claim he was pressured to step down...so the burden of proof is on you.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

So you have no proof for your imaginary narrative, right?

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

So you have no proof for your imaginary narrative, right?

And YOUR proof rests upon the word of a felon convicted of fraud...Right?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

So you have no proof for your imaginary narrative, right?

And YOUR proof rests upon the word of a felon convicted of fraud...Right?

I don't need proof...I'm not the one trying to create an alternate reality.

I'm simply accepting the default position.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

So you have no proof for your imaginary narrative, right?

And YOUR proof rests upon the word of a felon convicted of fraud...Right?

I don't need proof...I'm not the one trying to create an alternate reality.

I'm simply accepting the default position.

You accept a default position based upon the word of a convicted felonious fraud.
Good luck with that.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

Butting in --

Creamer's words actually indicated he did not want to be a "distraction," right now.

So you are correct, TAT.

There was external pressure that prompted Creamer's 'stepping back.' Clearly, right now, his name is associated with the Project Veritas videos. Unless Kruphix can show what other possible distraction he might be, right now, then you have satisfied the burden of proof and the burden is now on Kruphix to find an alternative reason he may have suddenly felt like a "distraction" and decided to "step back."

ETA: Sorry, but the inanity of the debate forced me to butt in. Obviously he stepped back because of the Project Veritas videos.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

So you have no proof for your imaginary narrative, right?

And YOUR proof rests upon the word of a felon convicted of fraud...Right?

I don't need proof...I'm not the one trying to create an alternate reality.

I'm simply accepting the default position.

You accept a default position based upon the word of a convicted felonious fraud.
Good luck with that.

Until other proof is presented, there is no other logical position to take.

Maybe now both right and left will come together and admit Citizens United was a mistake and super pacs should be done away with

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

So you have no proof for your imaginary narrative, right?

And YOUR proof rests upon the word of a felon convicted of fraud...Right?

I don't need proof...I'm not the one trying to create an alternate reality.

I'm simply accepting the default position.

You accept a default position based upon the word of a convicted felonious fraud.
Good luck with that.

Until other proof is presented, there is no other logical position to take.

I disagree that a "logical position" is one which dictates one should blindly take the word of a convicted liar and fraud as fact.

Back on topic now.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

So you have no proof for your imaginary narrative, right?

And YOUR proof rests upon the word of a felon convicted of fraud...Right?

I don't need proof...I'm not the one trying to create an alternate reality.

I'm simply accepting the default position.

You accept a default position based upon the word of a convicted felonious fraud.
Good luck with that.

Until other proof is presented, there is no other logical position to take.

No, you have it WRONG. The logical conclusion is that the Project Veritas videos were the distraction to which Creamer referred.

TAT offered you 'prima facie evidence.'

prima facie evidence
Word Origin
noun, Law.
1. Until other proof is presented, there is no other logical position to take.

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The burden is now on you to offer an alternative logical explanation for Creamer 'stepping back.'

a reply to: Annee

Current levels of humanity can't do THAT without failure.
Hitler tried ,Rothchild is trying .
My concerns are for THIS country alone.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

No one is disputing that he stepped back because of the video, where did you get that from? It's right there in his released statement.

What the other member claimed is that the Hillary campaign pressured him to step down (which he didn't even do).

So the logical stance is to accept the facts as we know them, which is Creamer stepped back from his campaign activities but with no indicated pressure from the Clinton campaign.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: kruphix

Foval is an idiot, not the first time he has been fired.

Creamer wasn't let go.

Creamer is a conicvted Felon.

Ok...he still wasn't "let go" from his job.

Lol...Okay...Creamer wasn't "Let go"...He was actively encouraged "step down" from the campaign!

He voluntarily stepped down.

Unless you have some proof that he was actively encouraged to step down...if you do...share it.

Right...he "voluntarily" stepped down. Sure...why not?

So you have no proof that he didn't voluntarily step down...right?

So we are forced to go with the information we have...which is him saying he is voluntarily stepping down.


If you want to make up a imaginary story, go ahead...but please make sure to state that it is a work of fiction.

You have proof he 'voluntarily' (sans internal or external pressure) stepped down?

Yes, his own words.

"His own words"....He's a Felon convicted of Fraud. Sure...believe everything he says.
Now I see why you support Hillary so ardently.

So you have no proof for your imaginary narrative, right?

And YOUR proof rests upon the word of a felon convicted of fraud...Right?

I don't need proof...I'm not the one trying to create an alternate reality.

I'm simply accepting the default position.

You accept a default position based upon the word of a convicted felonious fraud.
Good luck with that.

Until other proof is presented, there is no other logical position to take.

I disagree that a "logical position" is one which dictates one should blindly take the word of a convicted liar and fraud as fact.

Back on topic now.

So what is your "logical position" that you are taking?

That he was pressured to step back, even though you have zero proof that is true?