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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: kruphix
He is the first Presidential Candidate to publicly refuse to say that he will accept the results of the election.
I don't see the problem with that ?
I wish Bernie would have done the same and not sold out when the DNC manipulated the system for HIllary to have stole it from him.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: kruphix
He is the first Presidential Candidate to publicly refuse to say that he will accept the results of the election.
I don't see the problem with that ?
I wish Bernie would have done the same and not sold out when the DNC manipulated the system for HIllary to have stole it from him.
Not me. I'm glad that Bernie stuck to the high road and can take a loss like a man. What Trump is doing is the lowest of the low of sore losers and his supporters should feel ashamed of themselves for defending his words here. VERY un-American attitudes you guys have right now...
originally posted by: interupt42
Bernie either sold out big time or he was a lie from the start and I sadly supported him as the better of the candidates this election.
The people who should be a shame are the political party cheerleaders who delusionally think that only the other side is corrupted.
There have been study done that prove that your vote doesn't matter . The system is compromised beyond believe and while I don't like Trump I'm glad he is not playing by their rules on this and being a team player with the DNC,GOP, and the MSM. Not to suggest that wouldn't change in the end.
The faster that people wake up that the system is corrupted the faster we can put focus on fixing it. Otherwise we will continue to chase our tails like we have been doing for over 5 decades discussing the same issues scripted by the GOP,DNC,and the MSM.
Bernie is the only politician who ran who had any integrity and he maintained it the entire time he was running. He took the high ground, conceded defeat like a man, endorsed Hillary to promote party unity, and still plans on pushing his agenda in Congress.
Which study is that? Why didn't you post it?
Yeah yeah I've heard this sob story before.
originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Being a party Fanboy is what has gotten to the mess we have. He completely trashed his message about corruption in DC the minute he endorsed Mrs. Corruption herself.
here is one for you:
www.businessinsider.com...
Then take a listen to a Democrat Harvard professor of Law about how corrupted the system is and how big money is what matters in politics.
And yet you like to stick your head in the Sand and believe in the fairy tale they call politics.
Bernie just understands that we need a working government in order to accomplish anything.
This isn't proving that my vote doesn't matter. It's just proving that money needs to be taken out of politics. So start with repealing Citizens United.
I'd rather work within the system to fix instead of getting angry, lashing out, and trying to tear it all down.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Bernie is the only politician who ran who had any integrity and he maintained it the entire time he was running. He took the high ground, conceded defeat like a man, endorsed Hillary to promote party unity, and still plans on pushing his agenda in Congress.
Bernie just understands that we need a working government in order to accomplish anything.
originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
A working gov't within recent times is what has given you.
1. Global Conflict.
2. Increased taxes
3. Richer .01% and poorer everyone else while exponentially increasing the gap.
4. Corporate friendly laws.
5. Corporations as people.
6. Patriot act and the swindling of all your privacy rights.
7. Big Gov't
8. Super Pacs
9. Focus on the wrong issues
etc
I like it when gov't does nothing because the people win. The only time gov't changes things is because of lobbying money and the highest bidder at the expense of the upper middle class and below.
Yes it does because what ever you vote for or who you vote for typically doesn't matter., because big money gets what it wants in the end despite what used car salesman or tactics you fell for.
Nobody is asking to tear it down. What is being asked is for political fanboys to get their heads out of their arse and concentrate on the real issue and stop accepting the lesser evil mentality.
While your intentions are to work within the system to fix it , you are doing the exact opposite . You can't fix the system if you don't correctly identify the problem.
The first problem that needs to be addressed is the special interest and conflict of interest in DC. Everything else is BS and distractions by both the DNC,GOP, and the MSM.
If you are not working to fix the following things than nothing will get fixed as has been demonstrated within the last 5 decades at minimum:
1. Congregational term limits
2. campaign financing reform.
3. Lobbying reform
4. doing away with super-pacs
5. Revolving door between gov't and private sector
6. Transparency
originally posted by: greyhat
Giving up and kissing the feet of someone who politically raped you isn't taking high ground, that's called Stockholm syndrome.
And remember the Florida recount.
Without rule of law in the election process you have no working government, you just have a mafia mob ruling you if the so called "winner" rigged the game.
There have been TONS of beneficial things government has provided for you over the last 50 years or so. Not all lobbies are bad you know?
Yet you don't want to try to change that aspect. Just tear the system down and PRAY that the system that replaces it would be better (though historically that is unlikely to happen)
originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
You confirmed my point. that talking about those issues hasn't resolved anything. Hence why if you aren't focused on the following issues than its pointless.
1. Congregational term limits
2. campaign financing reform.
3. Lobbying reform
4. doing away with super-pacs
5. Revolving door between gov't and private sector
6. Transparency
Who said anything about all lobbies being bad? The problem is that the ones with the deepest pockets typically win and they aren't doing it for the good of the people in most cases. There is no reason why we shouldn't be focused on lobbying and how to restructure it to benefit the masses versus the few , using todays technology.
Again where are you pulling that BS about destroying and tearing down the System?
I want to fix the system but to fix the system you need to close the conflict of interest in DC in order to un distort our elected officials human traits that allow for corruption.
You going in circles with the same issues and not concentrating on the REAL issues listed above is naive at best. You are expecting human officials to be super human and to be above the temptation of money.
Until you address the 6 items listed above your vote and your party ideals are worthless as indicated by the study and Larry Lessig.
Government action takes time. Change doesn't happen overnight. It's stupid how people expect that once they've identified a problem of government that it should be fixed in short order.
This is why you are crazy about how you've labeled Bernie a sellout.
His mass appeal forced Hillary to adopt some language to address some of those issues in her policy.
originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: Informer1958
Show me evidence of any case where a national American election being swayed by voter fraud / irregularities.
originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Who said anything about overnight? What is stupid is identifying the problem and then solely concentrating on fixing the symptoms for both the short term and long term and sticking your head in the sand to the real cause of the problem .
No he is a sell out because he endorsed a Corporate Sponsored Whore who he labels as the problem in DC. She has conflict of interest and takes millions from the people she is suppose to govern while protecting the little man/women from. Not going to happen , only in lala land.
Haha thats funny. She and her husband have spent more than 3 decades in govt and they haven't done or accomplish squat besides talk BS and take conflict of interest $ponsor$hip$.