Glenn Beck Effectively Endorses Hillary Clinton

originally posted by: Nucleardoom

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: DrogoTheNorman

Uhhh not if hes endorsing a 3rd party or writing in a candidate.......

Trump supporters REALLY dont know how elections work do they?

They at least understand that even if hell freezes over those 3rd party candidates have no chance to win in the general election much less the electoral college.

Doesnt matter, you still vote for whoever you have the most confidence in to win, if neither of those are of the two party system you go third party......

Your line of thinking is exactly why the two party system reigns supreme....

No one can fault Beck or anyone else for doing this

whats more sickening is that people on this thread are still droning on about Beck being a turn coat and selling out, even when its been proven that the OP isnt true....

Even when its proven that hes probably going to go third party......

Whats clear is that Trump supporters are so pissed off that he didnt fawn over Trump they just cant get the taste out of their mouths....

Whats clear is that it makes Beck look like an actual conservative rather then drinking the Trump Koolaid

Im sure they are very upset that he didnt sell out like Brietbart and Drudge did to Trump, yet they are calling him a sell out for not falling in line with Trump and the GOP

You Trump supporters sure have lost touch with reality and absolutely TWISTED what conservatism really is to fit into the voting booth of your Strongman Trump

Talk about selling out....thanks for propping up the two party system for another year

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
whats more sickening is that people on this thread are still droning on about Beck being a turn coat and selling out, even when its been proven that the OP isnt true....

Even when its proven that hes probably going to go third party......

Whats clear is that Trump supporters are so pissed off that he didnt fawn over Trump they just cant get the taste out of their mouths....

Whats clear is that it makes Beck look like an actual conservative rather then drinking the Trump Koolaid

Im sure they are very upset that he didnt sell out like Brietbart and Drudge did to Trump, yet they are calling him a sell out for not falling in line with Trump and the GOP

You Trump supporters sure have lost touch with reality and absolutely TWISTED what conservatism really is to fit into the voting booth of your Strongman Trump

Talk about selling out....thanks for propping up the two party system for another year

Totally incorrect. I don't know where to begin.

You haven't proven anything either. You are giving your opinion just like I am.

The bottom line is: How could a self-proclaimed conservative like Glenn Beck give any kind of positive reinforcement to the idea of voting for Hillary Clinton, who would be worse than Obama as far as advancing a left-wing agenda?

Answer: He wouldn't unless he secretly supports her over Trump.

Would he have said those words if Clinton's opponent were Cruz? No.

But his hatred of Trump has caused him to actually contemplate voting for Clinton, and his declaration that this would be a "moral, ethical choice" is indeed a sublte endorsement of Clinton.

How can it not be? If Beck did not intend to call voting for her a moral ethical choice he would not have said it. If voting for Clinton is a moral, ethical choice in Beck's mind, then he is completely delusional.

As far as propping up Trump or the two-party system...I am about stopping Hillary. It's that simple.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

What's clear is the fact that "Scary Trump" keeps you awake at night, and despite claiming to be against the two party system, you'll just bury your head in the pillow, or in this case a bowl of cheetos, and let the political mafia run rampant for another 4 years.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

What's clear is the fact that "Scary Trump" keeps you awake at night, and despite claiming to be against the two party system, you'll just bury your head in the pillow, or in this case a bowl of cheetos, and let the political mafia run rampant for another 4 years.

That's why voting third party is so important, it stops the two party Mafia in it's tracks, yes?

Show me a third party candidate who can win, and I will gladly vote for that person if he/she stops Hillary from being president.

originally posted by: DrogoTheNorman
Show me a third party candidate who can win, and I will gladly vote for that person if he/she stops Hillary from being president.

That misses the point. Every time you vote third party, you give it more national exposure and higher polling. You also help it get matching funds and easier ballot access for the next election.

You could say that about anyone. Show me a person that can run a 4 minute mile. Show me a women who's going to get the right to vote. Show me a leader that will stop British rule in India. Show me a minority leader that can help get anti discrimination laws passed. Show me a president that can help end Slavery. Etc.

It has to start somewhere.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: DrogoTheNorman
Show me a third party candidate who can win, and I will gladly vote for that person if he/she stops Hillary from being president.

That misses the point. Every time you vote third party, you give it more national exposure and higher polling. You also help it get matching funds and easier ballot access for the next election.

You could say that about anyone. Show me a person that can run a 4 minute mile. Show me a women who's going to get the right to vote. Show me a leader that will stop British rule in India. Show me a minority leader that can help get anti discrimination laws passed. Show me a president that can help end Slavery. Etc.

It has to start somewhere.

For me, it will have to start with the poll numbers.

originally posted by: DrogoTheNorman

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: DrogoTheNorman
Show me a third party candidate who can win, and I will gladly vote for that person if he/she stops Hillary from being president.

That misses the point. Every time you vote third party, you give it more national exposure and higher polling. You also help it get matching funds and easier ballot access for the next election.

You could say that about anyone. Show me a person that can run a 4 minute mile. Show me a women who's going to get the right to vote. Show me a leader that will stop British rule in India. Show me a minority leader that can help get anti discrimination laws passed. Show me a president that can help end Slavery. Etc.

It has to start somewhere.

For me, it will have to start with the poll numbers.

You've been brainwashed into thinking that there is no way out of the Current two party system. there is. It is slow, persistent effort. It could take 20-30 years, or 100. It could happen next year or the year after. All I know, and it's one thing that I've learned in my life, is that constant, relentless persistence is the way to true change. Sooner or later we reach a tipping point. That is, a point in which there is no way back or change is inevitable. Third party candidates have more exposure and support than ever, at least in my lifetime. And it's only going to grow.

You can either get on the bandwagon and help it along or you can whine and complain that we have Trump and Hillary.

At least I can look my children in the eye and say. "I was smart enough to not vote for either of those two idiots." That's a good feeling. It's good to be a man of conviction and character not brainwashed by our corporate controlled "news" media.

Join me!

This is not an attack on you and you might have a different opinion. I find Hillary and Trump both equally terrible. That makes my third party vote much easier to make. Many on this thread and other's will tell me that Hillary or Trump are marginally better than each other, but to me it's still a bad choice, like Stalin vs Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer vs Ted Bundy or North Korea vs Syria, it's a bad choice that we shouldn't have to make and we don't. Good for Glen Beck.

a reply to: Konduit


Wait so that's not how trump gets his tan?

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

What's clear is the fact that "Scary Trump" keeps you awake at night, and despite claiming to be against the two party system, you'll just bury your head in the pillow, or in this case a bowl of cheetos, and let the political mafia run rampant for another 4 years.

That's why voting third party is so important, it stops the two party Mafia in it's tracks, yes?

Don't worry about trying, they don't get it....
And if their messiah Trump loses you'll seem Em back on here crying about how the two party system is rigged again...

They don't get it

I find it interesting that if you won't vote third party, or if you think Hillary is a douchebag, you must automatically want to vote for Trump.

I personally will have to swallow hard to vote for him in November, but the prospect of Hillary Clinton appointing SCOTUS judges who could vote that the Second Amendment is not an individual right will get me to vote for him.


And there is no need to post that the SCOTUS rarely revisits old decisions and even more rarely overturns itself. I believe she will pick justices who will specifically promise to overturn Heller.

a reply to: DrogoTheNorman

I personally will have to swallow hard to vote for him in November, but the prospect of Hillary Clinton appointing SCOTUS judges who could vote that the Second Amendment is not an individual right will get me to vote for him.

for how many decades have republicans promised a vote for democrats means your guns will be taken away the next morning?
maybes your 5 years old and this is your first election.

So this just out. Beck appears to backpedal. I guess the backlash was getting to him.

www.glennbeck.com...

Frankly, I was beginning to believe him until I got to the part I bolded:

I Am Neither Endorsing Nor Voting for Hillary Clinton By Glenn Updated 10/11/2016 | 3:50 PM EDT Share This Tweet This It has been widely reported I am either endorsing or voting for Hillary Clinton as president, and I stated that voting for Hillary is the ‘the moral and ethical’ choice. Let me be clear (and thankfully this is an easy one to dispel): None of this is true. I am firmly against both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton as potential presidents of the United States of America. I believe that neither candidate has the values, decency or principles to be the leader of the free world. And for the millionth time (though I presume not the last), I reject the notion of a binary choice. I will not vote for the ‘lesser of two evils.’ My Facebook post included in these reports is very clear: If the consequence of standing against Trump and for principles is indeed the election of Hillary Clinton, so be it. At least it is a moral, ethical choice. The ‘moral, ethical’ reference is not directed towards Hilllary Clinton, but rather my decision to stand for and on my principles against the candidacy of Donald Trump. If other people share this principle and hence, Clinton is elected, at least my choice of sticking to my principles is, to me, moral and ethical. Any attempt at putting words in my mouth or distorting this very clear statement is unfortunate and yet, not surprising. I challenge any objective reader to read my statement and come to a different conclusion. Because of my appearance last night on VICE News Tonight, what I said was conflated to make it seem like I was endorsing someone who I have opposed for nearly 30 years. On VICE, I was asked if I considered voting for Hillary Clinton. I said that I had. I also said (which was included in the clip) that I could never vote for her. As someone who believes that Donald Trump is wholly unfit for office, I have considered every alternative to his candidacy. I admit, I spent a moment thinking that if it is a binary choice as everyone claims, and I will not support Donald Trump, does that mean I should vote for Hillary Clinton? But my conclusion (that took me very little time – think nano seconds) was that voting for Hillary would still be in the camp of voting for the ‘lesser of two evils.’ And frankly, I don’t know who will be worse for our country or for conservatism (whatever that word means today). Neither candidate is even close to what I expect and, as a citizen, demand from our leadership. I am not endorsing anyone in this presidential cycle. If the election were today, I would vote for Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party – BUT – that is a) Not an endorsement and b) Subject to change.

Here I go: "interpreting" again.

We all know this entire election is a vote for the lesser of two evils. So, in Beck's mind, Hillary is the lesser of two evils.

THAT IS THE SAME AS SAYING 'VOTE FOR HER' in my book.

Call me wrong, but that's my opinion. That's my interpretation. That is what I think. He is still endorsing her without endorsing her. All his other boiler plate language is just a bunch of lies, to put it bluntly.

Beck knows his audience would abandon him en masse if he actually came out and endorsed Clinton openly. So by doing it in a subtle way he keeps what little audience he has left while "planting a seed" that it's okay to vote for Hillary.

It's diabolical. It's one of the most subtle forms of propaganda.

He says he's opposed her for years. But he opposes Trump more. He actually thinks Hillary would make a better president. He actually thinks a left-wing ideologue would be a better president than a potty-mouthed loose cannon who might actually turn out to be more conservative than people give him credit for. We KNOW Hillary will continue Obama's presidency. Although I don't have a lot of confidence in Trump, at least if he keeps his promises he won't be a continuation of Obama.

So how can he say Hillary is the lesser of two evils? It's a contradiction in terms unless he's lying about the fact that he "can't vote" for her. My take is that he hates Trump so much that he would rejoice if Clinton wins, even if he claims he could never vote for her. I think he will actually vote for her when it's in private and his audience can't see him.

Yes, I'm reading between the lines. This is my OPINION. LIke it or not. This is what I believe.

And I will go so far as to say: If I'm right then in the coming days and weeks Beck will actually inch closer to an open endorsement of her. But he has to start somewhere, and this is where he plants the seed that he gets to slowly but surely water over the next few weeks before the election.

He will eventually go so far as to say "Trump has to be stopped even if it means electing Hillary Clinton."

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: DrogoTheNorman

Uhhh not if hes endorsing a 3rd party or writing in a candidate.......

Trump supporters REALLY dont know how elections work do they?

originally posted by: Nucleardoom

They at least understand that even if hell freezes over those 3rd party candidates have no chance to win in the general election much less the electoral college.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Doesnt matter, you still vote for whoever you have the most confidence in to win, if neither of those are of the two party system you go third party......

Your line of thinking is exactly why the two party system reigns supreme....

No one can fault Beck or anyone else for doing this

I can see your point somewhat, as I voted for Johnson back in 2012 but what did my vote for Johnson get us?

4 more years of Obama. You really want 4 (more) years of Clinton (Obama)???

If you do go ahead and vote third party then but the truly sad truth is it won't change a damn thing.

a reply to: DrogoTheNorman

Uhh, if you think Glenn Beck is left leaning, then you really don't understand the American left wing AT ALL.

originally posted by: introvert
Opposing Trump does not mean he endorses Clinton. He could be voting for Johnson.

According to what he said on his show today (I catch a little bit of it on my drive to school each day) he doesn't endorse Clinton, however he's not voting for Trump. He's voting Constitution Party.

originally posted by: DrogoTheNorman
Full disclosure: my purpose for starting this thread was not to prop up Trump, but to send a wake up call to conservatives who support Glenn Beck that maybe he is not the true conservative he claims to be.

Oddly enough, Trump isn't a conservative. Even in this campaign the guy is very liberal socially. Fiscally he's middle of the road at best. He supports massive government sending programs (if he implements everything he's proposed so far he'll come close to doubling the federal budget), and his tax cuts are rather superficial.

Like Stu said on his show today, the 70 year old socialist in the race isn't Bernie Sanders, it's Donald Trump.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
But even your pro-trump article there doesn't have Beck endorsing Clinton. It looks like he is just saying "Don't vote for Trump and we'll just have to cut our losses if Clinton wins." Maybe that's because Beck has pulled back far enough away from the conspiracy theory abyss to remember that there will be another election 4 years from now where the Republicans can try again to get the White House.

I think the NeverTrump group blew it this election. They should have been pushing for Congress to not endorse Trump, and then focus on trying to elect people that will tie up President Clinton in another 25 Benghazi hearings, so no real business gets done in the gridlock.

They didn't really go down that road though, and instead Clinton is going to win alongside taking the Senate and making big gains in the House.

originally posted by: DrogoTheNorman
The bottom line is: How could a self-proclaimed conservative like Glenn Beck give any kind of positive reinforcement to the idea of voting for Hillary Clinton, who would be worse than Obama as far as advancing a left-wing agenda?

He's saying they're both bad and neither is worthy of a vote. One of two bad choices will be elected but atleast he won't participate in giving one of them power. It's a pretty similar view to what I hold actually. I dislike Trump more than Hillary but I don't actually want either two become President. I keep going back and forth between voting one or the other, or perhaps neither. Honestly, it makes no difference to me who I pick, I might as well flip a coin. Beck's got a similar mindset but he's going to vote Constitution instead.