The ‘Tex’-Files : Engine Stopping UFO - Levelland, Texas 1957

a reply to: Bedlam

Discounting ionising plasma then and any theoretical none existing physics or made up quantum "insert theory" BS - what is left?

I'm talking about a known, repeatable phenomena in physics that doesn't require a leap of faith. Is there anything that could interfere with a car engine in your opinion.

Do you believe that magnetics could be strong enough to:
- stop the engine
- yet not leave a residual magnetic feat
- and not induce currents that would cause permanent damage

a reply to: ctj83

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Photoelectric effect (very strong directed UV light that scatters into hood and strips photons) or Microwaves.

The idea of a UV light scattering and stripping photons under a car hood seems outlandish to me but that might be my lack of understanding.

Microwaves or the idea of using different wavelengths to achieve localised exotic physics is fairly topical (EM drive) and I do recall some earlier discussion around the EM thruster which related resonant cavities, waveguides, Evanescent waves/fields and their relationship with Poynting vectors (mentioned earlier by Bedlam as a factor).

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
So saying "time gradients" is not anything to raise eyebrows about.

It's the sharply bounded ones you have to watch for.

You get them if you're clumsy adjusting local permeability and permittivity as a sort of boundary effect.

originally posted by: Jukiodone
Like how you mention Time Gradients in your reply to Phage and no one raises an eyebrow BTW.

A couple of things to ponder. Related tangentially.

There's a sort of trend to UFOs in the 40s to now. Almost like they're evolving. Before the 40's, you got a lot of odd yet seemingly mismatched things. I especially like the 'airship' ones. Like 20,000 Leagues, with balloons.

But you get just shy of Roswell until now, and suddenly the mix of types seems to narrow. And then you see a sort of progression of behaviors. Not every one, mind you, but as a trend.

At one time, you saw every one of them emitting light. And a lot of crashes, or what might have been crashes. Then not so much light emission, except when something bad had apparently happened. Now, they're black nearly all the time, except for nav lights or landing lights.

At one time, you saw them all do 'falling leaf' maneuvering near the ground. Now, not so much.

At one time, you saw dead plants under them after, if they were seen on the ground. Now, not so much.

At one time, if there were daytime sightings on or near the ground, you'd often get a report of shimmering, or rippling, or "mirage like" visual distortions, or descriptions of the thing looking silvery, or shape distortions if the engines were on. Now, not so much.

At one time, pretty much every close sighting had accompanying disturbance of electronics or electrical devices. Now, not so much.

It's almost like they're improving the design.

That rippling distorted thing you see at flat angles over hot surfaces, and shiny desert mirages that look like silvery water, are caused by density changes in air causing variations in refractive index. That variation is itself caused by changes in permeability and permittivity in the air, as the air density varies. Those changes cause very tiny changes in local c. It doesn't take a lot of change to be visible.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: Bedlam

Discounting ionising plasma then and any theoretical none existing physics or made up quantum "insert theory" BS - what is left?

I'm talking about a known, repeatable phenomena in physics that doesn't require a leap of faith. Is there anything that could interfere with a car engine in your opinion.

Do you believe that magnetics could be strong enough to:
- stop the engine
- yet not leave a residual magnetic feat
- and not induce currents that would cause permanent damage

It's a problem.

You have to pick where you put your cut line here. Given 'super science', that is, anything I can guess that's not obviously impossible as far as we know if you could DO it, then it's still tough.

The problem is, there are non-dead people in the vicinity. You could posit a lot of things that would stop a 1950's car, but most of them also stop the 1950's people, permanently. People have electrochemical processes in every cell. Lots of them. And if you screw with them much, it's tango uniform, sad to say. So whatever it is, a hard fact is that the people didn't die right off. Did they die soon after, or tend to live to the average age? I don't know.

The cars are also not melted, which is an issue. If you were using colossal time-varying magnetic fields for some purpose, the cars would heat like an induction furnace. So that's out.

No huge arcs, no hair standing on end, so probably no massive electrical fields.

In order to make the air conductive enough to short out a 12V system, you'd have to convert it to a plasma, and keep it there, and the people didn't die and didn't report being inside a neon light. So that's out.

So. How do you stop a pretty simple 12V system. It would be more straightforward to guess at if they weren't reporting the headlights going on and off. That's pretty much an electrochemical power source, the battery, hooked through a copper circuit to an incandescent bulb. So, to stop that one, you either have to stop the current from flowing in the loop, maybe you could dick with the Poynting vector so that the potential didn't cause net electron motion. But that would kill the people. Your cells shuttle electrons around like mad for energy. And that's how muscles and neurons work, sort of. If you couldn't propagate potential, you would die. So it's probably not that.

If you could screw with Drude gas, so that electron flow didn't cause heating (sort of like making the wiring superconductive) the bulb would go out. I'm not sure how that would affect live things. It would totally short out the battery in a way that would discharge it nearly instantly, though, at least it seems it should. And then you can't explain 'everything resumed working'. That is a problem with a lot of ways to do this. Not dying, and everything resumes.

Screwing with reaction rates so that the battery doesn't make any power, that should kill the people.

What about big, time varying ripples in the value of relative permeability? If the lights on the car didn't go out but just dimmed, maybe you could think the car wiring was creating a sort of inductive kickback to DC flow while the permeability was changing. I don't think common EE math covers what happens if you've got a stock battery-wire-bulb thing and there's a big uncontrolled change in the nature of the space itself. But if it was too big, you'd be able to see it, maybe, as visual distortion. And I'm not sure what it would do to people.

S&F OP. I haven't heard about this incident.

My grandparents live in Witherral. They were employees of the school at the time of the incident. I will have to talk to my Grandpaw about this.

I will see if my Mom remembers anything as well. That is where she grew up.

Awesome thread.

Thanks.

a reply to: Bedlam

Thankyou for a fantastic set of replies Bedlam. My gut feeling is that there are 3 likely scenarios:

- 'The Magician': many of these events with car stops are theatre conducted by people involving specific technologies to achieve each stage. Misdirection and stooges are a given.

- 'unconventional Earth technologies' man made craft exerting UFO like consequences as an unintended byproduct.

- 'the other' super natural or ET

Bedlam, how would you describe the Hessdalen lights in terms of physics?

Have cars been known to stop for inexplicable reasons in the Hessdalen valley?

originally posted by: ctj83

- 'unconventional Earth technologies' man made craft exerting UFO like consequences as an unintended byproduct.

Oh, I'd agree with this one.

Bedlam, how would you describe the Hessdalen lights in terms of physics?

Have cars been known to stop for inexplicable reasons in the Hessdalen valley?

Insufficient information.

a reply to: Bedlam

For what it's worth, i tend to agree with most of your posts.

But this line:

"It's almost like they're improving the design. ".

I don't buy it. Not even close. That's generally the assumption that I hear
from nuts and bolts people.

The problem with this, is that there are still PLENTY of "old school"
"UFO" sightings.

People still see primitive airships sometimes, blimp-like things, and
especially saucers.

Yes, now that Star Trek, etc. has saturated us, most people now have
more sophisticated imaginations.

But I'd really have to agree with Vallee on this one... people tend to
see what they want to see.. both visually and in terms of the
"special effects".

Now I don't disagree that the "simulation, projection, mass hallucination"
or whatever it is, tends to "float maddeningly out of reach and maybe
10-50 years ahead of our tech level".

But the phenomenon is not a rational process, that can be reliably pegged
to any sort of technology, program or progression.

It cannot logically be assumed that there are "black ops craft" there, which
have been evolving technologically over time.

Now, I can't say exactly what's happening either... but it should be obvious
that we are being "played". IMHO.

Love your posts.

Kev

a reply to: Bedlam

If you throw away ALL scientific respectability, would you surmise that someone is tweaking the constants of nature on a localized scale to pull off these theatrical stunts?

That's how it seems to me.

Unless we are in a simulation, or we suffer total mind control, including total control of our senses,
the only explanation for some of these events would be "reality control", i.e tweaking the constants
of nature on a localized scale.

Run the numbers for me.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: karl 12


Sadly by 1957 Project Bluebook had ceased to look for the real truth and adopted a policy of explaining cases away as something mundane.

Certainly seems that way mate - there's also another very similar egg shaped UFO report here from November 3rd where a government engineer suffered a sunburnt face from the object - turns out Project Bluebook's explanation was the planet Venus.

a reply to: karl 12

Yep interesting.

I might be wrong but my impression of Bluebook was that Ed Ruppelt tried his best with a meagre budget to investigate the UFO phenomenon properly. Once the summer of 1952 and the Washington DC Flap occurred then it became less investigative and more a PR exercise in explaining away sightings.Five years later we see that in the cursory report Bluebook filed to explain the Levelland case.

Not surprised you've never been Venusburnt though Karl. Too much cloud cover in Blighty.

a reply to: Bedlam

Thanks for the information Bedlam.

Any thoughts on Rendlesham - 23 years after Levelland? There are similarities and differences.

Nothing about the first night suggests stalled out vehicles. But radio contact was supposedly difficult.
2nd night - shift commander reports their vehicles stalling as a blue sphere flies through the patrol vehicle windscreen.
3rd night - apparently the gas powered lightalls were all failing on the third night (Colonel Halt's night) . Not so much reports of the vehicles stalling though nor radio contact failing.

There were also reports of static electric being felt on the 1st and 3rd night.

a reply to: mirageman

There were also the two elderly gentlemen who claimed they had extreme Tv interference during one of the nights.

Also, Butler / Street repeatedly lost control of the acceleration of their car whilst driving back from the base.

On a more rumour based level, many joked about car failures in Shingle Steet / Martylesham due to radar expriements...

a reply to: mirageman

Also Ripperston Farm experienced severe electrical interference during the episodes there. The Tv interference could be resolved by switching the Tv to 110volts not 240.

a reply to: mirageman

Gas-powered "lighttails" ? Whatzat?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear



I believe its a portable floodlight you put gas/petrol in to generate power that illuminates a large area. Popular in Suffolk around Dec 1980.

a reply to: mirageman

So an electrical generator is involved...

I was about to be fascinated if a burning gas lamp was knocked out too...

Thanks

a reply to: ctj83

Discounting ionising plasma then and any theoretical none existing physics or made up quantum "insert theory" BS - what is left?

I agree completely, what would put this case over the top for those that are skeptical ?

Several motorist call in to the police reporting the object and their engine shutting down. The police go out searching for the object in question and actually see it for themselves...

Would pictures of this luminous object really do anything to add to the case? We have descriptions by multiple witnesses in different locations.

What if investigators came in and discovered radiation levels were higher than normal, that would be interesting, but really, what would it add to the case?

It would of course be nice if ET popped out and said "HI", but I dont see that as a realistic expectation in any sighting. I just dont see what more you could reasonably ask of a UFO case.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

The question for me is whether there is purposeful obfuscation involved.

If there is, it would be odd that the perpetrators have never once been caught in the act, anytime during 60+ years..or over the past 5000+ years of semi-recorded history, if you include other forms of high strangeness.

If this "phenomenon" is purely a misunderstood and (nonsentient) natural phenomenon, without purposeful obfuscation) one would think that the mystery could be solved, or at least 1 step of a million accomplished.

I'm not certain that first step has been accomplished yet---not with consensus that's for sure.

Kev