Pope Francis: Traitor To Western Civilization?

a reply to: JohnPrewett

I don't feel like reading the link, can you give me the gist of it and I will tell you what I think?

I don't read about the Pope but I will listen to something especially interesting and that's the case with a Jesuit priest Pope.

But he's a Pope and a Jesuit and a Catholic priest.

Who ISN'T he a traitor to?

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Though the links say it all A nice presentation would have been nice. I agree with you.

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
Pope Francis: Traitor To Western Civilization?

No he is not...

originally posted by: Malocchio
a reply to: JohnPrewett



But he's a Pope and a Jesuit and a Catholic priest.

Who ISN'T he a traitor to?

Good point

originally posted by: audubon

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
There's a big difference between Islam as a whole, and the fraction of a percent of Muslims that are radicalized. I have several Muslim friends, and my doctor is Muslim. They're some of the nicest people I know.

I second that. The Muslims I've known are polite, hospitable, calm, and generous.

There are one billion Muslims on the planet. If Islam as a whole were waging war on the west, we would know about it.

i.imgur.com...

originally posted by: RedMenace16

originally posted by: JohnPrewett

originally posted by: RedMenace16
He's a traitor because he has different views as you, western civilization relies on freedom of speech, you want to jail and throw in prison people who don't have your views.You my friend are a traitor to western civilization.

You note western civilization relies on freedom of speech

Islam rejects the very concept of "freedom of speech."

The pope [and all his "elite" minions] is a traitor to W.Civ because he supports saturating Europe with people who reject the concepts [such as freedom of speech/religion] that Western Civilization has come to stand for.

Western civilization means you can come and practice whatever religion you want as long as you follow the laws of the land, what they do in church or in their home is their business.

The thing is all Muslims in the US know the ultimate law of the land allows them to say whatever they want without being hunted down by an oppressive government.

Following is the translation Muslims and their liberal friends don't want you to pay any attention to.

If current USA law were enforced,
Muslims could not legally enter the USA
Koran demands the believer to wage war on non-Muslims
Koran is plainly contradictory to the US constitution

This translation is simple plain English and to the point. Also has many compilations of particularly pertinent verses. If there is any doubt about the accuracy of a particular verse, it can be cross-checked against other more convoluted translations.
Koran is a purveyor of a mental disease that causes people to become criminally insane. Like all diseases one does not become full blown immediately.
KILLERS are acting in harmony with Koran and example of Mohammed
KILLERS are acting in contradiction to NT and example of Christ
Koran is plainly contradictory to the US constitution and Koran demands the believer to wage war on non-Muslims. If current law were enforced, Muslims could not legally enter the USA


skepticsannotatedbible.com...

a reply to: JohnPrewett

People like you I consider more of a threat to western civilization.

a reply to: JohnPrewett

Yes, because an armed invasion of a primitive continent by a technologically-superior enemy during the 18th-19th Centuries is completely relevant to today, isn't it.

a reply to: JohnPrewett

The Quran is a beautiful and peace promoting book.


Your hatred has no logic and your hate speech is despicable.

You would make a true Christian sick.

I am disgusted.

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
"CHURCH" according to the NT means the people who belong to Jesus Christ. "His" people. Book of Acts reveals The Church.

A GREAT deception took place in 380ad.

The Roman Emperor empowered a religious group whose binding doctrine was Trinitarianism ....
and
this Trinitarian group claimed to be "The Church"
and
the Roman establishment [bunch of assorted Pagans]
claimed this newly empowered CULT was "The Church."

So from 380ad onward, the worldly have been deceived as to who and where and what is "The Church".
All the modern christianish “churches” [“cults, denominations”] evolved from the imitation “church” empowered by the Roman Empire in 380ad.
The foundation the Church rest upon is the confession Peter made …. Not Peter personally. Much NT scripture shows the one and only head of Jesus’s Church is Jesus. Papist and Trinitarians don’t believe scripture. They believe various interpretations of scripture … and that is not the same as believing/heeding scripture.

Famous example of putting interpretation of scripture over scripture:
“call no man father”

Roman Catholicism will give you scads of interpretive pretext to NOT heed the simple “call no man father”


en.wikipedia.org...

"Nicene "Trinitarian" Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 CE,
when Emperor Theodosius I made it the Empire's sole authorized religion"

There was no such word as "church" when Jesus supposedly spoke those words to Peter. The word in the Greek would be "Ekklesia", and it basically means "called out one's". It could also mean a gathering of people.
Point being, there is no WORD "Church"....at least not spoken by Jesus.
The Pope (I agree) is not the mediator between God and man. Nor, is he the "holy father".
Though, I'd like to hear your take on how Paul got away with telling the Corinthians that he was their "father".
Seems the root of all this Pope mess, came from Paul in the first place.
You yourself just quoted Jesus as saying, "call no MAN your father". Uhhhh....so, why did Paul get a free pass on that one?
Just sayin.

a reply to: JohnPrewett



You realize that Paul says:

" I am your father"

And that's just one proof that he is a false apostle.

It's Paul that gives Catholicism a reason to break from Jesus tradition.

You harp "lack...Torah knowledge" but you lack Gospel knowledge AND Torah knowledge so should stop pretending to know more than you do.

If you ever read Paul you'd know he said that and you would not have said THAT.

I think I will be having fun with you as long as you're around claiming to be knowledgeable when you are only speaking from faith not fact.

a reply to: JohnPrewett

We should be concerned that a billion people, himself included, have been duped by the Roman tradition into praying to Mary as much as Jesus, and other such heresies. But that has been the case with the Romans for a very long time, and is no more of a problem now, than it was when the right wing fundamentalists were at the top of the chain in that organisation.

What I am saying, is that as Popes go, this man is not a hater, understands the message of Jesus a hell of a lot better than others who have held the position he holds, and has sent a clear message since his being sat in office, that love and compassion are more important features of the Christian ethos, than judgement, hatred and fear.

His desire to see the refugees and immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa cared for, not turned away, is an EXAMPLE of his faith in action, not an example of some writhing beast within his heart. No one who has understood the message of Jesus Christ can possibly argue that Jesus would rather see people turned away, than cared for. And yet, this seems to
be part of your gripe.

Peace and love ! Pope francis is the C.E.O. of the VATCAN CORPORATION and the main shareholders are the criminal rothschilds and their criminal accomplices ! The VATICAN is the center of the unholy trinity and the evil sorcerers use religion , which is a mind control technique , to cast occult spells to divide the minds and conquer the spiritual beings ! Love is the only way to end all mankinds troubles and love is the only way to save the self and each other ! Peace and love from the mystical metal hippie

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Nobody is going to click random links without any context or description. Please read up on how to make a thread, then try again. Edit: But apparently people will still star and flag it....What the hell has happened to ATS?

You hit the nail right on the head. Getting so that these video grabs do the thinking for the trolls. I can see some of a short source in a constructive video but it is ridiculous the way it has become on ATS. It's as though one should sit all day watching movies to interrelate thought in what should be a conversation. ATS had at one time some very brilliant people who could converse in a very respected conversation. Now it has turned into prove me wrong and insulting bunch of people who have driven the exchange of intelligent people out of the religious forums. Not much left anymore.

a reply to: JohnPrewett

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
There is no "video".

Just a link to an article that anyone could open and read and respond to. Or not.

I think there was no need for me to copy/paste the article and post that.

Also OP included two links to two MEMEs that convey a message I deemed worth sharing.

If I knew how to post the MEMEs instead of a link to the MEME, then I would have done that.

Let me quote to you from the third thread from the top in this forum (the one labelled "------FORUM GUIDELINES------"):

originally posted by: yeahright
This forum is specifically for conspiracies in religion. Make the conspiracy clear in your opening post. Name the conspiracy theory, talk about the motives, effects, and methods. Don't make the conspiracy merely implicit.

Debates on whether or not a religion is true is not an acceptable topic unless the conspiracy is made clear in the opening post.

So minimal posts, especially with none of your own input, and simply linking other links (especially links as meaningless as "memes") are strongly discouraged. Give some context. Give your opinion. Talk about what you've linked.

Anyhow, as to the actual content of your post, seeing as your argument seems to be "The current pope is a traitor to western civilisation because he's advocating taking care of refugees from the war-torn areas", let me give you a response from the Bible:

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

What a filthy traitor the Pope is!

originally posted by: babloyi
a reply to: JohnPrewett

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
............
Anyhow, as to the actual content of your post, seeing as your argument seems to be "The current pope is a traitor to western civilization
because he's advocating taking care of refugees from the war-torn areas", let me give you a response from the Bible:

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

What a filthy traitor the Pope is!

The pope is filthy because he is a fraud. Popes have been frauds - imposters all along.

The filthy pope and his allies planned and CAUSED the bombing that caused the mass migration of people who intend to dominate, not assimilate.

Jesus praised the Samaritan that used his own money and time to help a man in need.
Jesus did not order nor lobby government to do nor cease doing anything.
Jesus did not order nor lobby government to enact nor repeal any law.

Pope and his allies are deliberately turning "sovereign" nations into 'failed states' ...
thence into provinces of the One World Government that the supreme Beast will rule for 3.5 years.

edit on 11-10-2016 by JohnPrewett because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
"CHURCH" according to the NT means the people who belong to Jesus Christ. "His" people. Book of Acts reveals The Church.

A GREAT deception took place in 380ad.

The Roman Emperor empowered a religious group whose binding doctrine was Trinitarianism ....
and
this Trinitarian group claimed to be "The Church"
and
the Roman establishment [bunch of assorted Pagans]
claimed this newly empowered CULT was "The Church."

So from 380ad onward, the worldly have been deceived as to who and where and what is "The Church".
All the modern christianish “churches” [“cults, denominations”] evolved from the imitation “church” empowered by the Roman Empire in 380ad.
The foundation the Church rest upon is the confession Peter made …. Not Peter personally. Much NT scripture shows the one and only head of Jesus’s Church is Jesus. Papist and Trinitarians don’t believe scripture. They believe various interpretations of scripture … and that is not the same as believing/heeding scripture.

Famous example of putting interpretation of scripture over scripture:
“call no man father”

Roman Catholicism will give you scads of interpretive pretext to NOT heed the simple “call no man father”


en.wikipedia.org...

"Nicene "Trinitarian" Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 CE,
when Emperor Theodosius I made it the Empire's sole authorized religion"

There was no such word as "church" when Jesus supposedly spoke those words to Peter. The word in the Greek would be "Ekklesia", and it basically means "called out one's". It could also mean a gathering of people.
Point being, there is no WORD "Church"....at least not spoken by Jesus.
The Pope (I agree) is not the mediator between God and man. Nor, is he the "holy father".
Though, I'd like to hear your take on how Paul got away with telling the Corinthians that he was their "father".
Seems the root of all this Pope mess, came from Paul in the first place.
You yourself just quoted Jesus as saying, "call no MAN your father". Uhhhh....so, why did Paul get a free pass on that one?
Just sayin.

Paul was used by Jesus to CREATE "Churches" .... groups of believers. Thus HE had a right to tell them he was similar to a "father"to them.
Nevertheless, careful study of Paul's letters shows that Paul NEVER demanded or even expected to be addressed as "Father Paul"

in contrast to some homosexual "priest" that just graduated from Roman Catholic cult priest school.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JohnPrewett

We should be concerned that a billion people, himself included, have been duped by the Roman tradition into praying to Mary as much as Jesus, and other such heresies. But that has been the case with the Romans for a very long time, and is no more of a problem now, than it was when the right wing fundamentalists were at the top of the chain in that organisation.

What I am saying, is that as Popes go, this man is not a hater, understands the message of Jesus a hell of a lot better than others who have held the position he holds, and has sent a clear message since his being sat in office, that love and compassion are more important features of the Christian ethos, than judgement, hatred and fear.

His desire to see the refugees and immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa cared for, not turned away, is an EXAMPLE of his faith in action, not an example of some writhing beast within his heart. No one who has understood the message of Jesus Christ can possibly argue that Jesus would rather see people turned away, than cared for. And yet, this seems to
be part of your gripe.

Your ignorance of the fact that the pope is a fraud ... or you unconcern even though you know it ... is noted.

Islam does not have an army. Islam is an army.

a reply to: JohnPrewett

I am aware that all Popes are frauds.

But the reality of the situation is this:

Of all the Popes to have ever taken up that cursed mantle, he is the only one to have preached the actual message of Christ, that of tolerance of other religions, compassion and mercy before all other concerns, love before war. His position may be an invention, but his standpoint is not.