Pope Francis: Traitor To Western Civilization?

Pope Francis: Traitor To Western Civilization?

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Nobody is going to click random links without any context or description. Please read up on how to make a thread, then try again.

Edit: But apparently people will still star and flag it....What the hell has happened to ATS?

a reply to: JohnPrewett

Sure, let's say he is, but add some original thought..

Ok, as there is no description by our OP I feel free to comment without watching the video. My guess at what the video says is that the Pope is a Traitor to Western Civilization because he does not endorse Donald Trump. That's my guess, any others?

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

I saw this article earlier on ZeroHedge, and it is rather interesting.

It talks about how the current Pope is doing some rather.... strange things, and yea.

Can always go with the Pelosi comment "You have to click the link, to see what the thread is about!"..

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Just some loon babbling on about:

There has been no greater advocate of mass Muslim migration into Europe than the purported head of the Catholic Church, Pope Francis.

Also, how Pope Francis "denies Islam is violent".

How that makes him a traitor to the west is beyond me, the guy is a major advocate of peace and says things to try and comfort people.

This is a non-story. Worst....clickbait.....ever. (in the voice of comic book guy)

An amazing thing happened when I clicked on the blue words in the original post.

It automatically opened a new window with images and an article that matched the title.

They kind or work like...links. And they were not random at all.

a reply to: JohnPrewett

>Jorge Bergoglio is the “purported pope” of the Catholic Church because, as certain theologians have argued, he was neither validly ordained as a priest or consecrated as a bishop in the traditional Catholic rites of Holy Orders.

Can someone explain this? Why wasn't he "validly ordained ... or consecrated"? thx

a reply to: JohnPrewett

I think that this topic is a valid one, but it deserves a much better OP than the one your provided. Please use your time to edit your OP and provide more content.

What is western civilization?

Freedom? Mainly freedom for white males

Wealth? Wealth for a few mainly stolen and plundered from third world countries.


This Pope knows more than the commentators so desiring to save something that’s dead: western civilization.

The Pope could count and knows that Christianity murdered more people than any system ever in the history of mankind


He knows the West is littered with spiritually dead materialism


The idea of ethnocentric superiority of the west that this OP implies is death itself.

You are proud of something you can’t even identify, quantify, or understand, and certainly cant discern its spiritual bankruptcy that the Pope sees.

a reply to: Willtell

Because only white males are free......

He's a traitor because he has different views as you, western civilization relies on freedom of speech, you want to jail and throw in prison people who don't have your views.

You my friend are a traitor to western civilization.

a reply to: woogleuk

This is a non-story. Worst....clickbait.....ever.

Really?

Well I found this interesting

www.zerohedge.com...

Jorge Bergoglio is the “purported pope” of the Catholic Church because, as certain theologians have argued, he was neither validly ordained as a priest or consecrated as a bishop in the traditional Catholic rites of Holy Orders. Since a pope must first be a bishop, in particular the bishop of Rome, Bergoglio cannot, therefore, be pope. He is not a Catholic pope, but head of a new “Conciliar Church” which was concocted at the time of the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), actually an “Anti-council,” and in the tumultuous years that followed, which witnessed fundamental changes in doctrine and the Sacraments, most damaging the promulgation of the New Mass by Paul VI-Montini.

a reply to: woogleuk

How that makes him a traitor to the west is beyond me, the guy is a major advocate of peace and says things to try and comfort people.

How oh so very un-christ like of him!
We all know Jesus would be fine with how the teachings are used today, we don't needed some leftist hippie flower child communist Pope telling us stuff!

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
Pope Francis: Traitor To Western Civilization?

Jesus was a 'traitor' to the vanity and selfish greed and hatefulness and violence of 'Western (so called) civilization', so, the Pope is on the Right Path.
What does he owe Capitalists?
They preach unconditional Love, the complete antithesis of selfish Trumpery; 'Capitalism'!

as certain theologians have argued, he was neither validly ordained as a priest or consecrated as a bishop in the traditional Catholic rites of Holy Orders. Since a pope must first be a bishop, in particular the bishop of Rome, Bergoglio cannot, therefore, be pope.

But Pope Francis was a Bishop, and an Archbishop, before becoming Pope.

I get the feeling that the 'certain theologians' referred to here might be the sort of 'certain theologians' who have declared every Pope since the Vatican II council to be illegitimate, and sedevacantists, i.e., those who believe in an 'empty throne' since they deny the validity of all post-Vatican II Popes.

The fact that zerohedge's author doesn't understand even the basics of what he is writing about is glaringly illustrated by the fact that the position of Pope is also that of the Bishop of Rome. The two are not different things, and one cannot be Bishop of Rome before being Pope.

a reply to: JohnPrewett\

In comparison to other popes, he is liberal-ish. He is a 'people's' pope when the church desperately needs parishoners and money. Those were some of the qualities he was picked for.

Your random links show nothing.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Ok, as there is no description by our OP I feel free to comment without watching the video......

There is no "video".

Just a link to an article that anyone could open and read and respond to. Or not.

I think there was no need for me to copy/paste the article and post that.

Also OP included two links to two MEMEs that convey a message I deemed worth sharing.

If I knew how to post the MEMEs instead of a link to the MEME, then I would have done that.

ps: to all .... anyone claiming Islam is benign is either a liar or an awesome dunce.
If immigration laws were enforced, no Koran believer could enter the USA.

The flaw of the ZeroHedge article is that the author thinks there ever was a "genuine" Pope.

When in fact the popes have all been frauds and imposters.

Among those labeled "heretic" were the real Christians of history.

originally posted by: RedMenace16
He's a traitor because he has different views as you, western civilization relies on freedom of speech, you want to jail and throw in prison people who don't have your views.You my friend are a traitor to western civilization.

You note western civilization relies on freedom of speech

Islam rejects the very concept of "freedom of speech."

The pope [and all his "elite" minions] is a traitor to W.Civ because he supports saturating Europe with people who reject the concepts [such as freedom of speech/religion] that Western Civilization has come to stand for.