Which One Of These Does America Need More ?

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Id offer a 3rd. An honest leader. Not just that, folks need to see what has been done to Europe and ask if the pie in the sky baloney being sold via globalism will work.

It wont, ideals never do. People are inherently evil imo.

Very few have actual muster

Nobody running for office, nor any foolish ideology will succeed, however conservative ideals will delay the inevitable far longer than liberalism...i am neither in the end...i am Britain looking for balance of power in the early 20th

a reply to: Sremmos80



This crap has left the station as it were. You really don't think talking about this is what we need to worry about right now?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: SteamyJeans

I'd rather go down fighting for my independence than become part of some globalist farce like the EU is trying to turn Europe into.

The experts do not know better than I do how to run my life. At best they know numbers and I am uncomfortable with the idea of being the outlier sacrificed to their mythical "greater good."

Yes, this scene is a joke, but this is really what it's like. The village is very idyllic ... unless you don't march to the beat of the robed town council. Then they can remove you for "the greater good."

Just thought I'd let you know that the EU dream is a United States of Europe to basically turn us into what you are with Federal overreach.


Globalism on your side of the pond is not the same as ours.

The wet dream of the EU is to be more like the USA.
That sort of Globalism won't affect you.


It'll be trade deals on your side. Not an amalgamation of Nations.

a reply to: Logarock

As I have already said, it was just to point out that we can't say that he is pro choice or pro gay as it was said earlier.
It's all on the first page.

I and I do think we should be talking about it if we want to talk as if Trump is some a guy that wants freedom for all.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Who is the Centrist?
And who is the Liberal?

Because Trump isn't very central and Hillary isn't a liberal.

How is Hillary not a liberal? Which of these does she not support:

Economic policy:

Expand social security and safety net programs.
Increase top capital gains tax and dividend tax rates
Across the board tax-cuts for the low and middle class and small businesses.
Change tax rules to not encourage shipping jobs overseas.
Increase federal minimum wage.
Modernize and expand access to public education, and provide universal preschool education.
Support for universal health care.
Greater investment in infrastructure development.
Increase investments in scientific and technological research and development.
Expand the use of renewable energy and diminish the use of fossil fuels.
Implement a carbon tax.
Support for cuts in defense spending.
Uphold labor protections and the right to unionize.
Reform the student loan system and allow for refinancing student loans.
Mandate equal pay for equal work regardless of gender, race, or ethnicity.

Social policy:

Uphold network neutrality.
Implement campaign finance reform and electoral reform.
Uphold voting rights and easy access to voting.
Supports federal same-sex marriage rulings against sovereign state laws
Allow legal access to abortions and women's reproductive health care.
Reform the immigration system and allow for a pathway to citizenship.
Support for gun background checks and stricter gun control regulations.
Recognize and defend Internet freedom worldwide.

Don't you mean "right center neocon globalist" when describing Hillary?

In her leaked secret speech to her wealthy elite donors ahe clearly stated she identifies withnthe center right. And she continued the neocon globalist agenda as much as Bush did.

a reply to: Teikiatsu
Because she is nothing but a pandering politician that says things to get votes but you can go back and see where she was totally against many of the things she says today.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Amen

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Who is the Centrist?
And who is the Liberal?

Because Trump isn't very central and Hillary isn't a liberal.

LOL, true true.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

You just called Trump a "Centrist"....LOL.

Sorry, I can't take your post serious when you open with something like that.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

actually i see these two options.

a). a lying career corrupted politician conwomen that is part of the corrupted govt and lobbyist system.

b). a career bullsh1ter conman outside of the corrupted govt lobbyist system .


i go with c none of the above but would pick b if i had too. Simply to give congress,DC,MSM, lobbyist amd the corrupted wortheless clintons a BIG F U.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
There are two choices, which one is better for America in 2016 ?

A Liberal Democratic Globalist ?

A Centrist Republican Nationalist ?

Get rid of all the negative propaganda from both sides that is being pilled as high Mount Rushmore on a daily basis.
And just answer that simple question and you basically come to terms with what do to on voting day.

I pick (C) a real candidate for the first time in over a decade.

I don't like either of them so much. My preference would be the Chuckle Bros!...earnestly daft, silly buggers agenda in situ, (EDSBASH)

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Who is the Centrist?
And who is the Liberal?

Because Trump isn't very central and Hillary isn't a liberal.

How is Hillary not a liberal? Which of these does she not support:

Economic policy:

Expand social security and safety net programs.
Increase top capital gains tax and dividend tax rates
Across the board tax-cuts for the low and middle class and small businesses.
Change tax rules to not encourage shipping jobs overseas.
Increase federal minimum wage.
Modernize and expand access to public education, and provide universal preschool education.
Support for universal health care.
Greater investment in infrastructure development.
Increase investments in scientific and technological research and development.
Expand the use of renewable energy and diminish the use of fossil fuels.
Implement a carbon tax.
Support for cuts in defense spending.
Uphold labor protections and the right to unionize.
Reform the student loan system and allow for refinancing student loans.
Mandate equal pay for equal work regardless of gender, race, or ethnicity.

Social policy:

Uphold network neutrality.
Implement campaign finance reform and electoral reform.
Uphold voting rights and easy access to voting.
Supports federal same-sex marriage rulings against sovereign state laws
Allow legal access to abortions and women's reproductive health care.
Reform the immigration system and allow for a pathway to citizenship.
Support for gun background checks and stricter gun control regulations.
Recognize and defend Internet freedom worldwide.

You laid out all of that very nicely, sounds like a pretty good idea, not sure how we are going to pay for it all, but it actually sounds like a yuuuuuuugely great plan.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Who is the Centrist?
And who is the Liberal?

Because Trump isn't very central and Hillary isn't a liberal.

How is Hillary not a liberal? Which of these does she not support:

Economic policy:

Expand social security and safety net programs.
Increase top capital gains tax and dividend tax rates
Across the board tax-cuts for the low and middle class and small businesses.
Change tax rules to not encourage shipping jobs overseas.
Increase federal minimum wage.
Modernize and expand access to public education, and provide universal preschool education.
Support for universal health care.
Greater investment in infrastructure development.
Increase investments in scientific and technological research and development.
Expand the use of renewable energy and diminish the use of fossil fuels.
Implement a carbon tax.
Support for cuts in defense spending.
Uphold labor protections and the right to unionize.
Reform the student loan system and allow for refinancing student loans.
Mandate equal pay for equal work regardless of gender, race, or ethnicity.

Social policy:

Uphold network neutrality.
Implement campaign finance reform and electoral reform.
Uphold voting rights and easy access to voting.
Supports federal same-sex marriage rulings against sovereign state laws
Allow legal access to abortions and women's reproductive health care.
Reform the immigration system and allow for a pathway to citizenship.
Support for gun background checks and stricter gun control regulations.
Recognize and defend Internet freedom worldwide.

If you were running on that platform, I think you would probably be about 30 points ahead in the polls.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Centrist Republican Nationalist?

Um. How exactly is Trump a Centrist?

Try Far-Right Republican Nationalist. It fits a lot better.

Also, "Globalist" for the Liberal option is currently used as a slur by far right folks including Trump/Breitbart. So you need to define your terms and step away from words that have developed a pejorative meaning among at least one strong ATS contingent.

So, yeah, you've created what you think is an "objective reality" and I'm rejecting the notion that it is at all objective.

So no, that is not at all how I would define this election. It is, to my eyes, a strawman.

AB

I prefer..

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Who is the Centrist?
And who is the Liberal?

Because Trump isn't very central and Hillary isn't a liberal.

How is Hillary not a liberal? Which of these does she not support:

Economic policy:

Expand social security and safety net programs.
Increase top capital gains tax and dividend tax rates
Across the board tax-cuts for the low and middle class and small businesses.
Change tax rules to not encourage shipping jobs overseas.
Increase federal minimum wage.
Modernize and expand access to public education, and provide universal preschool education.
Support for universal health care.
Greater investment in infrastructure development.
Increase investments in scientific and technological research and development.
Expand the use of renewable energy and diminish the use of fossil fuels.
Implement a carbon tax.
Support for cuts in defense spending.
Uphold labor protections and the right to unionize.
Reform the student loan system and allow for refinancing student loans.
Mandate equal pay for equal work regardless of gender, race, or ethnicity.

Social policy:

Uphold network neutrality.
Implement campaign finance reform and electoral reform.
Uphold voting rights and easy access to voting.
Supports federal same-sex marriage rulings against sovereign state laws
Allow legal access to abortions and women's reproductive health care.
Reform the immigration system and allow for a pathway to citizenship.
Support for gun background checks and stricter gun control regulations.
Recognize and defend Internet freedom worldwide.

If you are against all of those things, and I could go by each and everyone of them, how do you describe yourself? American is not at the top of my list.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Teikiatsu
Because she is nothing but a pandering politician that says things to get votes but you can go back and see where she was totally against many of the things she says today.

So she's not liberal enough *for you*?

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Who is the Centrist?
And who is the Liberal?

Because Trump isn't very central and Hillary isn't a liberal.

How is Hillary not a liberal? Which of these does she not support:

Economic policy:

Expand social security and safety net programs.
Increase top capital gains tax and dividend tax rates
Across the board tax-cuts for the low and middle class and small businesses.
Change tax rules to not encourage shipping jobs overseas.
Increase federal minimum wage.
Modernize and expand access to public education, and provide universal preschool education.
Support for universal health care.
Greater investment in infrastructure development.
Increase investments in scientific and technological research and development.
Expand the use of renewable energy and diminish the use of fossil fuels.
Implement a carbon tax.
Support for cuts in defense spending.
Uphold labor protections and the right to unionize.
Reform the student loan system and allow for refinancing student loans.
Mandate equal pay for equal work regardless of gender, race, or ethnicity.

Social policy:

Uphold network neutrality.
Implement campaign finance reform and electoral reform.
Uphold voting rights and easy access to voting.
Supports federal same-sex marriage rulings against sovereign state laws
Allow legal access to abortions and women's reproductive health care.
Reform the immigration system and allow for a pathway to citizenship.
Support for gun background checks and stricter gun control regulations.
Recognize and defend Internet freedom worldwide.

If you are against all of those things, and I could go by each and everyone of them, how do you describe yourself? American is not at the top of my list.

I describe myself as an conservative US citizen who knows that the majority of those issues are not the federal government's responsibility.

Obviously they are not popular because Clinton is not 30 points ahead in the polls.

You are correct in that there is no way to responsibly pay for them.