Maybe Trump Did Cheat

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: muzzleflash

A joke? I don't get it.

But you know, if nothing else, Trump has shaken things up. That's a good thing.

Him for President? That's not a good thing.

The jokes that they can divide like interests along overblown exaggerated prejudices.

Republicans and Muslims are incredibly similar, typically very religious, traditional morals, conservative economics, etc - yet strongly divided by ( dam terrorists vs dam crusaders).

The Russians and the Democrats have typically aligned because of the fact Socialism and Communism have long been more closely identified with the left. They both generally don't put too much stock into religious traditionalism, etc.

Yet everyone's suddenly siding with their ideological enemy? It's unbelievable.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Russia and Putin seem to have become very Christian.

I personally do not care one bit about his, or any other candidates tax returns.

The tax system is a joke, and there are accountants all over this country that specialize in taking full advantage of it.

Who's really to blame? The filer? the preparer? Or the people that made the convoluted tax laws we deal with daily?

If Trump was the ONLY one doing it, I'd be interested.

However, there are literally millions of people taking advantage of "loopholes" all the time. It's legal. Tough cookies.

Oh, and taxation is theft anyway.

You know what amuses me...that we give a # about a tax return. Donald can come out and say he cheated the #ing tax system for all I care. 90% of the posters in this damn thread have cheated one way or another on their taxes. Don't #ing deny it.

Yet we have Hillary...who is proven to be a liability to the defense of the US of A. A crooked old lady who has left nothing but blood trails through-out her political career. Clinton will lead us into another war, I am 100% sure about that. It's the personal vendetta she has that will be one of the worst 4 years we will ever see.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
90% of the posters in this damn thread have cheated one way or another on their taxes. Don't #ing deny it.

That seems pretty presumptive. I've never cheated on my taxes. The IRS is the one entity you do not screw over if you value your freedom.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Phage

By now, with all the heat of the recent NYT article Trump STILL is not releasing his taxes one month before the election is all the proof I need that Trump is hiding something and clearly he does not want the world looking into his taxes to figure it out. Even Crooked Hillary has long released her tax returns.

And her charitable foundation was used to sell ammo and weaponry to ISIS....I would rather not see DJT tax returns all knowing how much Clinton lied about everything in her official duty, allowed her servers to be hacked, mysteriously having people kill or be killed to prevent leakage of sensitive Clinton info to public, etc...

So far the only thing about Trump is he used to laws to bankrupt some of his businesses and is not filing his return. Boo-hoo. Clinton has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more hiding than Trump....BE-LIEVE me.

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
90% of the posters in this damn thread have cheated one way or another on their taxes. Don't #ing deny it.

That seems pretty presumptive. I've never cheated on my taxes. The IRS is the one entity you do not screw over if you value your freedom.

Then you are a 10% er lol. Ok I might be exaggerating but there are ways around the tax system. Like for example, I donated 1 pair of jeans to Goodwill, I instead put I donated 2 pairs or I may have overvalued that 1 pair by $5 . One way or another people cheat on their taxes and I don't blame them one bit. It's ridiculous the amount of taxes we have to pay

originally posted by: [post=21337922]poncho1982
I personally do not care one bit about his, or any other candidates tax returns.

I appreciate your personal opinion. Every poll that has been conducted has shown that large majorities of Americans both republican and Democrat believe Donald Trump should release his tax returns like every other Presidential Candidate for the past 40 years.

The tax system is a joke, and there are accountants all over this country that specialize in taking full advantage of it.


Who's really to blame? The filer? the preparer?

The wealthiest corporations and individuals who have rightly discovered x is less than y and that if they invest X in lobbying for tax loop-holes it will save them Y in taxes at the expense of the middle class who picks up the difference because they can not afford special interest lobbyists to corrupt the tax code.

If Trump was the ONLY one doing it, I'd be interested.

Do you apply that logic to muggers, murders, thief's et al?
Or is your moral code dictated by the legal code? Not what is right, but what you can get away with if you have deep financial resources to fund a sufficient legal defense?

Curious how that apologist logic works...

See...there is an emerging trend in our Criminal Justice system...Where the poor are being arrested and jailed for owing amounts as low as $25. They are held in jail for days and given additional fines and then repeatedly re-arrested for being unable to pay their growing debt.

One example was a case in Westminster. Jared Thornburg was ticketed for making an illegal left turn. He went to court and the offense was dropped to driving a "defective vehicle," a ticket with $165 worth of fines and fees. At the time, he was homeless and unemployed. He had recently lost a job at an oil field after a serious workplace injury. So he couldn't pay the ticket.

The day before he was to start a job at Taco Bell, he says, he was arrested for not paying the fines, which had increased to $306. He was sentenced to 10 days in jail.

www.npr.org...


Where-upon folks like Trump deal with debt this way..

In 2008, Mr. Trump failed to pay $334 million he owed on the Chicago loan because of lackluster sales of the building’s units. He then sued Deutsche Bank. His argument was that the economic crisis constituted a “force majeure”—an unforeseen event such as war or natural disaster—that should excuse the repayment until conditions improved.

His lawyers were inspired to invoke the clause after hearing former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan describe the crisis as a “once-in-a-century credit tsunami,” according to a person who worked on the case for Mr. Trump.

Mr. Trump also attacked Deutsche Bank’s lending practices and said that as a big bank, it was partially responsible for causing the financial crisis. He sought $3 billion in damages.

www.wsj.com...

Follow that? He borrows $334 Million, fails to pay them back...and when they press for their money, he files suit against them for $3 Billion.

Compare that to the man above who spent $10 days in jail for not being able to pay a $165 ticket for making a turn without a blinker.

There are two sets of rules in this country, but Trump isn't the answer, he is exactly the problem.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
90% of the posters in this damn thread have cheated one way or another on their taxes. Don't #ing deny it.

That seems pretty presumptive. I've never cheated on my taxes. The IRS is the one entity you do not screw over if you value your freedom.

Then you are a 10% er lol. Ok I might be exaggerating but there are ways around the tax system. Like for example, I donated 1 pair of jeans to Goodwill, I instead put I donated 2 pairs or I may have overvalued that 1 pair by $5 . One way or another people cheat on their taxes and I don't blame them one bit. It's ridiculous the amount of taxes we have to pay

The law allows you to claim a certain amount without having rock solid documentation. If you knowingly claim 2 pairs instead of one, that IS cheating, but from the outside it would be impossible to know if you were cheating: Ergo, it's the sort of cheating that is implicitly condoned by the tax code as it pertains to individuals. The IRS has basically said, "This is small potatoes so we're not going to look at this too closely." Because, quite honestly, the cost of monitoring it would be greater than the amount of taxes collected.

However, when a Billionaire under-reports his income by hundreds of millions of dollars, there is undoubtedly a reliable paper trail somewhere. That is the sort of cheating the tax code is specifically designed to prevent.

I don't know if Trump has done that or not.

I'm also a bit concerned about this so-called legal loophole that apparently allowed him to claim a loss he never actually sustained. That's a case where The Donald may have done nothing wrong or illegal, but it highlights a definite need for change.

a reply to: Indigo5

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that I don't care about his or anyone else's taxes?

Thought that I made it pretty clear in the first part of my post.

You could have saved yourself the pointless effort.

originally posted by: poncho1982
a reply to: Indigo5

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that I don't care about his or anyone else's taxes?

How could he have missed it when he specifically addressed it?

originally posted by: poncho1982
a reply to: Indigo5

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that I don't care about his or anyone else's taxes?

Thought that I made it pretty clear in the first part of my post.

You could have saved yourself the pointless effort.

Perhaps I was being overly polite. Your personal opinion is irrelevant, as the vast majority of the country who votes disagrees with you. I thought I made that clear in my post.

a reply to: Indigo5

According to polls it's 60% who care if he releases his taxes which is not a "vast majority", of those over half say it wouldn't influence their decision. So it's not as big a deal as you seem to think.

the twitter thing is a diversion!

a reply to: raymundoko
Well, there was a poll that showed 62% of Republicans thought he should release his taxes but that was a while back.

Among all likely voters surveyed, 74 percent said the businessman should release his tax returns, while 21 percent said they do not think he should.

www.politico.com...


Do you have something more recent? I wonder if opinions may have changed.


Got one from September.
Now it's 75% who say he should release them.
And 32% believe him about his reason for not doing so (the "audit").
source

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

The dumbflocks will believe any sh*t that comes from his mouth! They just want a white-face in the white house to be honest!

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Indigo5

According to polls it's 60% who care if he releases his taxes which is not a "vast majority"

Poll: 62 percent of Republicans want Trump's tax returns
www.politico.com...

91% of Democrats and 66% of Independents say the same thing
money.cnn.com...

Trump should release his tax returns publicly, voters say 74 percent
www.qu.edu...

A new Monmouth University poll shows 62% of voters think it’s either very important or somewhat important to them that candidates release their returns;
time.com...

a reply to: Phage

The Smith-mundt act man. It's like pulling teeth nowadays to weed through the crap or heavily edited videos (spin they call it) in newscasts and reports from both sides of the political fence for the nuggets of truth they(media, government, political parties) let us have.

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
a reply to: violet

Is trump not also? after all he has to sign it doesn't he?.

Yes he signs, but could say he was "mistaken " or he told accountant stuff the accountant wrote down wrong. I don't know but there's ways to pin it on the accountants

PS I've had some tax returns done I never signed. When my ex was having his accountant do mine. I only ever signed the first year where I authorized him to access my account as the tax accountant. Glad I didn't sign anything because had I ever signed joint returns with him I'd have been liable for all his wrongdoings. I have no idea what they claimed on me. I only know I got ripped off on any rebates and after the divorce I discovered I was liable for his capital gains tax from several years back even though I did not jointly own the property he sold. Never knew it existed. They were changing my mailing address so I never got the notices!