Everyone has been told who Jehovah is

a reply to: youandme

If you believe the words of Paul why then do JW's deny 1 John 5:7 that Jesus is one with the godhead?

Why do JW's deny the holy Ghost as a person and part of the godhead yet claim it only as an influence of a power. He is more than that, he is a teacher, he is God and one with Jesus and the father.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

You cannot claim to love the words of Paul that God inspired then deny part of it as truth. It is either true as Ps119 says or it is lies. At which point we should not serve or worship God at all for he is to weak to keep his promise to preserve all his words to every generation forever.

Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Ps 119:160 ¶ Thy word [is] true [from] the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments [endureth] for ever.

You are more like the Paul bashers/haters than you think. No preserved word, deny the word when it conflicts with your privately interpreted doctrines, rule out that Jesus is God and want to believe the gospel of the kingdom over the gospel of the grace of God. By following the roman catholic confusion that all mentions of gospel are the same gospel.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

No you cant separate the ministry to the the lost tribes of Israel and the the work of God to all Gentiles via the Jews.

You cannot differentiate between Israel and it promise kingdom and the gospel of the kingdom for Israel (never once preached to a gentile outside Israel), and the work of the cross for the Gentiles under the gospel of the grace of God given Paul by Jesus himself as testified to a disciple in Damascus.

Your problem is unbelief and lack of right division. The gospels are different because God made the gospels different for a reason.

You cant see through your hatred of all thing God is doing via Jesus and his cross via Paul.

a reply to: youandme

why do we need the water of life when we have the spirit of life in us when we believe on The finished work of Christ on the cross.

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro 8:10 ¶ And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
1Co 3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Failure to rightly divide has you not even knowing you are saved eternally from the wrath that is to come and think that you will stand before him and he will say to you come and drink of the waters of life and eat to the tree of life. that is how the Kingdom gospel saves people first faith, then works like baptisms and repentance, and door to door giving out watchtower magazines, preaching the Kingdom gospel, which curses anyone who teaches that today for it is another gospel in this age. that is why the Roman Catholics blended the gospels to make them one. No grace now but only once you get there will God give you his grace ad then eternal life.

But we have life now through Christ who dwells in us along with the Holy Ghost and he who searched the hearts of men, the father. We have eternal life NOW we don't need to eat of the tree of life or drink of the living waters, when we get there we have new bodies in a twinkling of an eye when we are gather to Jesus in the clouds ever more to be with him.. We are fully saved now by Christs cross. If you don't have that assurance then you are not saved.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Peace and love ! Jesus did not suffer and die to pay for our sins ! Jesus was here to show that love and truth is the destroyer of sins ! Chester john ! Would you let others torture and murder your physical body , so others do not have to repent when they commit evil against the loving ? Of course not , SNIP! All of us spiritual beings are responsible for our own individual lives ! Chester john , you can escape anywhere in the world ,but you can never escape your mind ! Peace and love from the mystical metal hippie

a reply to: mysticalmetalhippie
a reply to: Malocchio

The word of God says this and from some of the Apostles seeing you despise Paul's writings. Mind you Peter and Jude are speaking about today just as much in the past.

2Peter 2:1-2 ¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Peter 2:10 ¶ But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

How did the Lord Buy them?

Ac 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Paul's teaching lines up with the Apostles when it comes to the sacrificial blood of Christ.

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Lots of blood talk. Maybe the big difference between old testament god, and new, is that he became a vampire.

a reply to: AshFan

LOL, No blood wasn't drank it was spilled and not as a murder but as a sacrifice.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: AshFan

LOL, No blood wasn't drank it was spilled and not as a murder but as a sacrifice.

What about transubstantiation? That's real blood.

a reply to: AshFan

That Doctrine is a Roman catholic Religious teaching and is not supported by scripture. The bread does not literally become the flesh and wine does not literally become the blood that is the gist of the Transubstantiation doctrine.

That would be trying to literally sacrificing Jesus every day and every hour as they practice. But the scriptures tells us this that they put Christ to an open shame by sacrificing (crucifying) him a new each day and hour. That is why Catholic Churches have Christ on their crosses all the time, and teach Transubstantiation. Also the scriptures tell us he died once for all not 24/7 around the world everyday until he returns.

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Can Jehovah or one of his witnesses clarify for me the meaning of "the morning star"...???
In particular lucifer and jesus... and the difference if is there is one.

As for the blood... it makes for holy ground. Wherein found... if you read bibles... is the voice of god playing out over and over again. Straight into the ear(s) of the fool(s) who thought it was just a sermon on the mount. As god sings... peoples cringe.

a reply to: Pinocchio

Poor man made translation Jesus is the ONLY morning star. The preserved word of God has it right all other translation are worng

Lucifer is a son of the morning.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Pinocchio

Poor man made translation Jesus is the ONLY morning star. The preserved word of God has it right all other translation are worng

Lucifer is a son of the morning.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

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So, which translation do you use?

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

So, which translation do you use?

He's quoting KJV, but usually if I want to remove all translator bias i look at Young's literal translation, which reads:

"How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations." (Isaiah 14:12)

"'I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!" (Revelation 22:16)

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

So, which translation do you use?

He's quoting KJV, but usually if I want to remove all translator bias i look at Young's literal translation, which reads:

"How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations." (Isaiah 14:12)

"'I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!" (Revelation 22:16)

Thanks, Cooperton. You've been very cordial...and I appreciate it. I really do. (even though I do believe you hold the Bible as being inerrant). Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, I do thank you for your kindness...even if we disagree on things.

a reply to: Pinocchio
google: wol lucifer
and
wol morning star

You can do so with any subject you might want to know more about.

...seek, and ye shall find;... (Jesus at Matthew 7:7)

Take note of the usage of the term "morning stars" in Job 38:7 as well.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Pinocchio

Poor man made translation Jesus is the ONLY morning star. The preserved word of God has it right all other translation are worng

Job 38:7 (King James Bible)
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

I don't think I can encourage you to think about why your teachers never pointed out the verse above to you, or why you might not have noticed it yourself or thought about it when addressing Pinocchio's confusion about the word "Lucifer" and other poor translations of that verse in Isaiah that use "morning star" (or when thinking about the term "morning star"). But perhaps it may provide someone else a clue as to what's going on here, or maybe it'll come back to you years from now when you can approach this from a fresh perspective. I do recommend the same google searches for you as I recommended to Pinocchio though.

As always: seek and ye shall find...make sure of all things, hold fast to what is fine.

Or risk being overconfident about what you already believe to be true, your choice of course.

The video below I recently shared in another thread, but since it's so relevant to Job 38:1-7 and the first sentence of my comment, perhaps I should share it again (especially from around 1:40 onwards). It's still best to do the google search first, especially the one about "morning star":

a reply to: Pinocchio
You may also try this comment.

a reply to: whereislogic

I have considered it. But they are not the Bright and morning star now are they. Lucifer may well have been one of them. But he is called the son of the morning as not to confuse him with the true morning star.

any other translation would cause confusion and God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 14:33

a reply to: ChesterJohn

any other translation would cause confusion and God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 14:33

Except for the book He "supposedly" wrote. Seems to cause much confusion and division...even amongst those who profess to believe it's "infallibility".

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

God never wrote any thing I never said he did.

Therefore you misrepresent me in the forum by lying.