Who sits on the left hand of God?

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Phage

You see how this works.

The more right hands, the more people get to sit at them.

Wha>>>>>>>>>>>do you mean spit or slobber or sit upon; or put up the left hand and wave wildly because attention is direly needed? OH SIT AT THEM?! why?? what is the gain to the minon?

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: luciferslight

TechniXcality:" Who sits on the left hand of God?"

Who sits TO THE LEFT hand of God. No one; as there is no God to sit upon either side.

a reply to: Phage

Clowns to the left?

Jokers to the right?

: he he he . Funny. Nice one.

a reply to: luciferslight
Fantastic question!

Who sits on the left hand of God? Why is this question is relevant for anything idk. But if it's Lucifer (Satan) then that makes God the infinite Creator for creating good and evil.

My immediate thought is that the left side has to be the opposite of Jesus. Light on one side Darkness on the other. Opposing opposite dualistic forces. With God in the centre as the ultimate controller.
Which brings to mind Vedic teachings of Vishnu - Brahma and Siva. - Each of these personalities controls a powerful energy- Vishnu (overall goodness) manifests Brahma who in turn has been given creative powers. After a long period of meditation Brahma in anger sweats from his forehead and in doing so creates the personality of Siva. Siva controls the mode of ignorance and darkness. It is Siva who comes at the end to annihilate the evil doers in the end of the cycle. He annihilates with fire.

Oh your question is such a fine question!!!!! For you have revealed something to me to which I had not even pondered! You are brilliant!

Who sits on the left hand of God? Why is this question is relevant for anything idk. But if it's Lucifer (Satan) then that makes God the infinite Creator for creating good and evil.

a reply to: luciferslight

AAAAH! - The pyramid with the eye - its clearer now. The Eye is God. The triangle represents the dualistic forces of light and darkness!!!! One God who has different energies (including us the living entities) These separate energies also have personalities. God is One and many. This is the mystery.

- This age in Vedic teachings is known as the age of Kali. It is written that this is the age of darkness and ignorance. Also known as the age of quarrel!!!

You my friend have asked such a fine question indeed!!!! You are brilliant!

Who sits on the left hand of God? Why is this question is relevant for anything idk. But if it's Lucifer (Satan) then that makes God the infinite Creator for creating good and evil.

a reply to: luciferslight
Most Christians don't realise they worship the same God as Hindu's!!!!!

a reply to: LumenImagoDei

Latest Hebrew to English –Isaiah 14:12-15 Eth Cepher – YESHA’ YAHU – Isaiah Isa 14:12-15 (12) How art you fallen from heaven, O Heylel, son of the howling morning! How are you cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (13) For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of El.: I will sit also upon the mount of the assembly, in the sides of the north: (14) I will sascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like El.Elyon. (15) Yet you shall be brought down to She’ol, to the sides of the pit.

From Hebrew to English. No Latin, No Greek, No Aramaic.

Lucifer is not Satan, Lucifer is the light-bringer and morning star. You know who else is known as the light and morning star? Jesus.

No one knows what Heylel truly means. Even though Jerome translated directly from the Hebrew to Latin he had no idea of who or what Heylel was or is. So Jerome inserted the entity name of "Lucifer" to replace Heylel. Heylel was translated as to be son of the Howling morning from the Hebrew. You can then take it from there and believe anything you care to believe but I do not believe you have interpreted that in the correct way.

a reply to: TheInfiniteFantastic

Most Christians don't realise they worship the same God as Hindu's!!!!!

I need to correct my above statement. Most Christians don't realise they only worship the right side of God!!
They worship the right side of a dualistic material nature, but not the One on the Throne above. (The all seeing eye so to speak) They have been taught an error mistaking the right side, which is the positive side of the dualistic forces (which have personalities).

Even in Jesus own words He states "Very truly I tell you no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them." Read The Bible verse John 13: 16-17

The above passage clearly states the position of the messenger and servant to there Master! Undeniable!

This is starting to make sense. Now I can understand The Jewish position. Jesus says "nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him!!!!!!!!!""
The One who sent him!!!!!!!!
This is a grave error by the Shepherds of the Christian Lamp Stand.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
Luke 16:10 (NWT):

The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much.

KJV:

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

Note that the Trinitarians in the video are arguing almost the same way (at least thinking the same way, or giving the same impression with the same type of excuses regarding deliberate deception while acknowledging a supposed 'mistake') Eugenie C. Scott is arguing below concerning Haeckel's fraud (starting at 1:43):

I think Eugenie C. Scott makes it a bit more obvious what she's doing there, the Trinitarians earlier are much more cunning in the way they phrase things and acknowledge something they like people to quickly dismiss as trivial, no issue for their doctrines and philosophies/ideas about reality and drawing attention away from the topic of deliberate deception.

John 8:44 (NWT):

You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.

KJV:

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Truth is not in them, a defining characteristic for many today including no real love for what is true/correct, without error/accurate. Or finding out what's true and correcting yourself accordingly (denial of realities/facts/certainties and feigning or willful ignorance also comes into play here, promotion of uncertainty/vagueness and embracement of vagueness/uncertainty or the notion that certain things can't be figured out conclusively, phrases like "God is a mystery" and a certain fact "is unknown", "not yet known", "I have faith..." when referring to blind faith, etc. all come into play; I tend to refer to it as the agnostic philosophy of vagueness to keep it a bit shorter, popular in religious circles and amongst popular philosophers and gurus).

Spirit of the World

Definition: The impelling force that influences human society made up of those who are not servants of Jehovah God, causing such people to say and do things according to a characteristic pattern. Although people act on individual preferences, those who manifest the spirit of the world give evidence of certain basic attitudes, ways of doing things, and aims in life that are common to the present system of things of which Satan is ruler and god.
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1 John 5:19: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (Satan has fostered a spirit that dominates the thinking and activities of those of mankind who are not Jehovah’s approved servants. ...

Source: Spirit of the World: Reasoning

Additional correct information:

An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture is a dissertation by the English mathematician and scholar Sir Isaac Newton. ...review all the textual evidence available from ancient sources on ... 1 John 5:7 and 1 Timothy 3:16...
Newton describes this letter as "an account of what the reading has been in all ages, and what steps it has been changed, as far as I can hitherto determine by records"...He adds that "the more learned and quick-sighted men, as Luther, Erasmus, Bullinger, Grotius, and some others, would not dissemble their knowledge".

I.e., they knew the truth of the matter, but were deliberately hiding it from the flocks. Truth is not in them. Note that the KJV is based on Erasmus' Textus Receptus which in turn takes most of its influence from Jerome's Latin Vulgate and the Roman Catholic Hierarchy in key places (such as Proverbs 8:22, which changes the Greek word for "created" or "produced" to Latin "possedit" and then english "possessed" so that the reader can't see the evidence in Proverbs 8:22 very clearly anymore that):

Jehovah produced me [Jesus] as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. (Proverbs 8:22 NWT, between brackets is mine)

Source was: An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To name a few bible translations that have "brought forth", "made", "produced", "formed", "created", etc. at Proverbs 8:22:

NIV, NLT, HCSB, ISV, NET, New Heart English Bible, Aramaic Bible in Plain English, JPS Tanakh 1917.

But only 1 of those bible translations* reminds the reader that is was Jehovah creating Jesus "at the beginning of his creation" (instead of "as", perhaps this may lead to confusion as well), and it still does so in a confusing manner by adding the title "Lord" that isn't found in the Hebrew manuscripts of Proverbs 8:22, so that one isn't quite honest either (playing the other game of conflation with "LORD" and "Jehovah"; the earlier game of conflation referring to pretending it doesn't matter if you use "possessed" or "created", "produced", etc.; the latter set of words being distinctively different from "possessed", something that is intentionally not made clear or pointed out in Trinitarian produced bible dictionaries and Hebrew lexicons).

* = I refer back to Matthew 7:13,14 that I quoted to think about when reading that sentence.

a reply to: whereislogic

I trust not in the creations and writings of men but in the preservation of God's word by god using godly men. Lexicons and multiple translation do nothing but confuse and God is not the author of confusion. But Satan, the old dragon, the Devil is.

find the preserved word and believe it all. Possessed is the correct word and it is not the form of possession as in demon possession.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

it means "to take hold of and hold close as something dear to ones heart", which is one of the meanings of possessed. It is quit clear by the rest of the context as to him being set up before all things were created.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Who sits TO THE LEFT hand of God. No one; as there is no God to sit upon either side.

Aha so you’ve removed God out of the picture and in turn out of the question entirely…Impressive…Sneaky…

You’re a big fan of the “Book of Enoch” right…


In 1 Enoch the archangel Gabriel is seated at the left hand of God.

1 Enoch…Chapter 24

Of the great secrets of God, which God revealed and told Enoch, and spoke with him face to face

1 And the Lord summoned me, and said to me: Enoch, sit down on my left with Gabriel.

In some sources Enoch is said to have transformed into the Angel Metatron…

So the answer to the question of who sits at the left hand of God, just going by a literal interpretation is…

Gabriel and Metatron sit at the left hand of God….


- JC

originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: vethumanbeing

VHB: Who sits TO THE LEFT hand of God. No one; as there is no God to sit upon either side.

Joecroft: Aha so you’ve removed God out of the picture and in turn out of the question entirely…Impressive…Sneaky…You’re a big fan of the “Book of Enoch” right.

I have! in order to turn all questions inward (perspective from first being...YOU). Remove any and all belief systems FALSE. Get rid of desire and insert "WILL".

Joecroft: In 1 Enoch the archangel Gabriel is seated at the left hand of God.

This is fine; Gabriel at the left, but 3 others sit at other compass points Michael, Rapheal, Arial.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
I have! in order to turn all questions inward (perspective from first being...YOU). Remove any and all belief systems FALSE. Get rid of desire and insert "WILL".

Well if Enoch can go from being a man to an Angel, then anything's possible I guess…Jesus did once say that we would be like the angels in heaven, when we get to the spiritual plane.

But get rid of desire…yikes, that’s a scary thought, why can’t “Desire” and “Will” be in alignment together…you know, “one for all and all for one” etc…

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
This is fine; Gabriel at the left, but 3 others sit at other compass points Michael, Rapheal, Arial.

“Compass points” lol hey what is this… “knights/Angels of the round table” or something lol

Hey I’m just focused on the left side…although there are angels all around the throne room, if that’s what you mean…


- JC

originally posted by: TheInfiniteFantastic

Who sits on the left hand of God? Why is this question is relevant for anything idk. But if it's Lucifer (Satan) then that makes God the infinite Creator for creating good and evil.

a reply to: luciferslight
Most Christians don't realise they worship the same God as Hindu's!!!!!

So do Moslems; Shinto, Buddists. Same God (omnipisent) just differing time frames; languages.

originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: vethumanbeing

vhb:
I have! in order to turn all questions inward (perspective from first being...YOU). Remove any and all belief systems FALSE. Get rid of desire and insert "WILL".

Joecroft: Well if Enoch can go from being a man to an Angel, then anything's possible I guess…Jesus did once say that we would be like the angels in heaven, when we get to the spiritual plane.

Enoch was always a higher being physically incarnated to help raise the lowly human to greater triumph (angel/angle first; drop down human second). Jesus was attempting to say the human existing in the physical has a spirit form above physical matter that is ETERNAL (exists forever).

Joecroft: But get rid of desire…yikes, that’s a scary thought, why can’t “Desire” and “Will” be in alignment together…you know, “one for all and all for one” etc…

Destroy desire (bane of existance as never satisfied). "Will" can order desire. Get control of your "Will" and you are on the right path.

vhb: This is fine; Gabriel at the left, but 3 others sit at other compass points Michael, Rapheal, Arial.

Joecroft: “Compass points” lol hey what is this… “knights/Angels of the round table” or something lol
Hey I’m just focused on the left side…although there are angels all around the throne room, if that’s what y
- JC

Yep those compass points important; also--your EGO is not your freind; that must GO!

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Enoch was always a higher being physically incarnated to help raise the lowly human to greater triumph (angel/angle first; drop down human second). Jesus was attempting to say the human existing in the physical has a spirit form above physical matter that is ETERNAL (exists forever).

I believe the key is found in the meaning of the name Metatron…

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Destroy desire (bane of existance as never satisfied). "Will" can order desire. Get control of your "Will" and you are on the right path.

Desire is often viewed in the negative perspective, but what if ones desire was for truth and goodness, then ones will would directly correlate with ones desire…

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Yep those compass points important; also--your EGO is not your freind; that must GO!

How many compass points are there altogether…I guess the obvious joke is just One lol


- JC

originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Enoch was always a higher being physically incarnated to help raise the lowly human to greater triumph (angel/angle first; drop down human second). Jesus was attempting to say the human existing in the physical has a spirit form above physical matter that is ETERNAL (exists forever).

I believe the key is found in the meaning of the name Metatron…

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Destroy desire (bane of existance as never satisfied). "Will" can order desire. Get control of your "Will" and you are on the right path.

Desire is often viewed in the negative perspective, but what if ones desire was for truth and goodness, then ones will would directly correlate with ones desire…

Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Yep those compass points important; also--your EGO is not your freind; that must GO!

How many compass points are there altogether…I guess the obvious joke is just One lol
- JC

Eight. Desire is not desirable. It is never satisfied as unbounded and whom basis is derived of/by FEAR. Desire is unclean unless moderated by ones "WILL".

a reply to: Joecroft

but what if ones desire was for truth and goodness, then ones will would directly correlate with ones desire…

desire isn't negative or positive
but it can become like chains around your feet

desire to do good
desire to do evil

both are attachments

it's a hard one to get to grips with

originally posted by: kibric
a reply to: Joecroft

but what if ones desire was for truth and goodness, then ones will would directly correlate with ones desire…

desire isn't negative or positive
but it can become like chains around your feet

desire to do good
desire to do evil

both are attachments
it's a hard one to get to grips with

I disagree; desire must be ordered by "Will" otherwise desire becomes a runaway train (The Land of Abysmal Unsatisfactory Outcomes). REALLY?! you that adore desire=intent becomes permanent positive???? NEVER ENDING Carrosol.

a reply to: kibric

Originally posted bykibric
desire isn't negative or positive
but it can become like chains around your feet

desire to do good
desire to do evil

both are attachments
it's a hard one to get to grips with

I guess I don’t see attachments pe se as being bad...it just depends on what those attachments are IMO…

Desiring to do good, is a good attachment…

Desiring to do evil, is a bad attachment…


- JC