Zapreuder Film

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And look at frame 312...what appears to be a gun and it certainly looks like it could be a gun is actually the top of the head of the passenger in the front seat..it is definite. If this was a gun, tell me how the driver could have his left arm at the angle necessary to have it extended straight out while he is seated forward...it's physically impossible.....and besides:

That "gun" is no gun but the top of the passenger's head. Definitely!!

It's the sun relected off the passenger's head just like the sun is reflected off the top of Connally's head. And what looks like an arm holding the gun is actually the sidewalk...look at the line of the sidewalk throughout the whole frame...it is a perfectly straight line and what looks like an arm is just the edge of the sidewalk......

Sorry the driver wasn't the shooter......The head shot came from the grassy knoll!!

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NO NO NO I knowwhat your talking about I made the same mistake whith the passanger's head but thats not it UNMature post the same thing again but this time start at frame 3:09 then slowly go to 3:10 then 3:11 then 3:12 then all the way threw 3:17 each fram WATCH across from the passanger's head and you'll see the driver with what seems to be a huge .38 or may be it was a specilaised .45 revolver but just do EXACTLY as I said and ALL of you will see what I'm talking about REMEMBER LOOK ACROSS from the passanger's head not at it. This link you have put up the one that says "JFKmurder solved" is the one I saw but the part with the motor cade coming was much larger and it was a clip that showed after theshooting it would play the sceane backwards andyou could pickout whenthe driver pulls out his gun to when he shoots him I can even pick it out now even with this condensed motor cade shot.

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at what point does the driver turn his head to get good aim ?

what has always bothered me is why they did it in such a public place. If they had the influence, power to do it, why not get him in the shower ? I would guess because ending his presidency was only one objective.
it seems like part of the plan was to have it very public, to gain from the shock of the us citizens witnessing it.....to send a message to others....scary stuff....

what really gets me are the frames when JFK first gets hit, seeing how close jackie is, what it must have been like for her to live with that memory....

Not buying it....what "appears" to be a gun is not a gun...again. it's the passneger in the front seat's head with the sun reflected off of it...it's quite obvious and the "arm" holding the gun is the edge of the sidewalk and that too is quite obvious!!....

Why don't you look at frames 313, 314, 315....and you'll see that your "gun" becomes more and more obviously the passenger's head. Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one!!

GRASSY KNOLL!!

I know what your talking about, Your talking about the reflection of the sun from on the hair of the passanger, and what I'm saying is NO that's not what I'm talking about what I;m talking about is this press pause right atthe monent the driver turns aroung now after that look at his upper body, now then press REwind to the point right before he turns around to look behind him and look at his body then press play and pause again right after he turns around and look at his body you'll see something black in his hand which looks like a "SNUB NOSE .38" or may be it was a snub .45 I don't know but I'm tellin you he has it in his hand and shoots right before The Presedent's head explodes.

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You have no convincing argument on this one.

I think youre mistaking the pavement in the backround for an arm and gun.

I see nothing incriminating in those frames.

Watch the film in slow motion from beginning from FRAMES 3:01 TO 3:20 AND YOU'LL SEE HIM PULLING OUT A GUN FROM HIS "RIGHT" HAND HOLSTER AND SHOOTING.

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Is this the frame you're talking about ?

I'm with Siberian Tiger on this one. I can definitely see a gun. Looks like a .45 to me.

And about how he aims, if you look you see the driver look back real quick to check his aim, then he turns again and fires.
That is an old snipers trick, look real quick at your target to see where to aim, then on the second look you shoot. Makes for a very quick kill and doesn't alert the victim.

And yes radagast, they probably made it a public assassination as a warning to future presidents. Don't mess with the agenda!!

[edit on 26/1/2005 by ANOK]

PERFECT CLIP NOW do you see the passanger's head now infront of his face you will see "white" that "white" that your seeing is the "Inside Sleeve" of the driver because this frame is stopped right when he is beginning to take aim.

[edit on 26-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]

"The Limo Driver Shot Him" theory has been thoroughly debunked by every reputable assassination scholar out there.

A good copy of the Zapruder Film clearly shows the alleged "pistol" to be nothing more than a reflection off the top of SS Agent Roy Kellerman's head. (Kellerman was sitting in the front passenger seat.)

Furthermore, not a single witness in Dealy Plaza - and there were plenty of them - reported seeing the limo driver shoot anybody. Heck, there were people within a few yards of the limo when Kennedy had his head blown off, and none of them said anything about the driver, including Kellerman, both Connellys and Jackie, all four of whom were in the car with him.

Don't you think one of them might say, "Bill Greer did it."???

Lastly, the right front of Kennedy's head was blown away and his head snapped to the left, which violates the laws of forensics & physics (and common sense) if the shot originated to his front-left, which is where Greer was obviously seated.

There are a whole bunch of cool Whodunit theories surrounding the Kennedy assassination, but this just isn't one of them. It's too simple to debunk.

One more thing: Jackie herself stated that the reason she climbed onto the trunk was to retrieve a piece of her husband's skull - which was an understandable reflex in a situation like that, even if it is a bit gruesome - but a chunk of skull landing on the trunk didn't fit the Warren Commission's assertion that all the shots were fired from the rear, so they dismissed her statement as "obviously mistaken", which is pretty much what they said about everyone with testimony/statements that conflicted with their official story.

not only ARE YOU LATE INTO THIS DISCUTION BUT NO ONE HERE SAID THAT THE WHITE SILVERISH THING IS THE GUN I KNOW THE WHITE SILVERISH THING IS THE SUN'S REFLECTION ON THE PASSANGER'S HAIR I'M TALKING ABOUT THE "BLACK" GUN( or Blue steal how ever you Yanks call it) IN THE LEFT HAND OF THE DRIVER, AND IT ISN'T A LIMO AND HE AIN'T A LIMO DRIVER IT'S A MOTOR CADE AND HE "IS" A SECRET SERVICE AGENT.

[edit on 26-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]

tiger,

a) its completely irrelevant when a poster joins the thread
b)your rebuttal was essentially semantics
c) how do you account for the direction JFK's head moves ? that seems to be a logical point.

1 Kennedy is already falling side ways-forward from the throwt shot by the time driver shoots the shot can only enter into the side of his head.

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[edit on 26-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]

Sorry...

If that is the perfect frame you are talking about, it shows the dude in the shotgun seat's hand going to his left ear, with the reflection from the windshield...






[edit on 26-1-2005 by Jedi_Master]

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
not only ARE YOU LATE INTO THIS DISCUTION BUT NO ONE HERE SAID THAT THE WHITE SILVERISH THING IS THE GUN I KNOW THE WHITE SILVERISH THING IS THE SUN'S REFLECTION ON THE PASSANGER'S HAIR I'M TALKING ABOUT THE "BLACK" GUN( or Blue steal how ever you Yanks call it) IN THE LEFT HAND OF THE DRIVER, AND IT ISN'T A LIMO AND HE AIN'T A LIMO DRIVER IT'S A MOTOR CADE AND HE "IS" A SECRET SERVICE AGENT.

1. Everyone who posts a thread is "late to it", unless they monitor it 24/7, which I have no inclination to do.

2. There is no indication of Greer holding a "black gun" anywhere in the Zapruder Film. In fact most "Greer did it" theories describe a "shiny silver pistol", which is just as unfounded as a black one.

3. It is a limo. A 1961 Lincoln limo, in fact.

4. A motorcade is nothing more than an organized procession of vehicles, and it doesn't matter if one or more (or none) of them is classified as a limo.

5. Greer was the limo driver, and I'm fully aware of the fact that he was a SS agent.

6. Any conspiracy worth it's weight in salt need to be supported by some evidence, and in this case, there is zero evidence supporting the notion that Bill Greer shot Kennedy from the drivers seat of the limo with a pistol, whether that alleged pistol was black, silver, green blue or mauve....or invisible. It just simply does not exist. In fact the only thing that DOES exist to support your theory is a split-second optical illusion on a grainy 60s-era film.

Originally posted by Jedi_Master
If that is the perfect frame you are talking about, it shows the dude in the shotgun seat's hand going to his left ear...

Which is precisely what he (Kellerman) was doing. He was on his radio, which has been thoroughly documented.

Great observation, btw.

Watch it in slow motion from 3:09 then pause it on 3:14 THAT'S THE SHOT!!

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