Why Are White Americans So Racist?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

So the US police are killing black people

It's hard to talk with people like you because you believe in myths. Facts are not found in your claims. Black men are RARELY killed by cops. White people are killed more by cops and you actually have a batter chance of being shot by a cop if you're white. Also, black men )6% of the population) commit more than half of the violent crime in this country. These are facts you ignore in place of racial paranoia and scapegoating of whites. What's that make you?

If you read this because the title bothered you, you should look into yourself. If you're planning to respond in a bothered tone, look at yourself a bit..

Right back at you.

Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot?

I like talking to people like you though.

would you be kind enough to provide a source for this graphic?

www.theguardian.com...

Why did you just post the graph and leave out all of the important stuff that explains the higher number?

From your source:

More than 21% of deadly incidents began with a complaint to police alleging domestic violence or some other domestic disturbance. About 16% arose from officers attempting to arrest a wanted person, execute a warrant or apprehend a fugitive. Another 14% of killings followed an attempted traffic or street stop, 13% came after someone committed a violent crime and 7% after a non-violent crime.
In addition to those killed after opening fire, 160 people were accused of refusing commands to drop a weapon. Another 157 were said to have pointed or levelled a gun or non-lethal gun at officers. Police alleged that 158 people killed had “charged”, advanced at or fought with officers. And while 79 people were killed after allegedly “reaching for their waistband” or grabbing for a weapon, 44 attacked officers, some with knives and blades.

“It would appear that police officers are often confronting people who are armed, non-compliant and threatening,” said David Klinger an associate professor of criminology at the University of Missouri-St Louis.

If you say to me, you're much more likely to be killed while white than black and I show you a graph which suggests that blacks are killed at about 2x the rate then i've answered you. However please, from that "Important information" decipher the races which they speak of on each level. Is the 13% purely black persons? :/

Wouldn't this be more relevant to the topic at hand?

About 25% of the African Americans killed were unarmed, compared with 17% of white people

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

So the US police are killing black people

It's hard to talk with people like you because you believe in myths. Facts are not found in your claims. Black men are RARELY killed by cops. White people are killed more by cops and you actually have a batter chance of being shot by a cop if you're white. Also, black men )6% of the population) commit more than half of the violent crime in this country. These are facts you ignore in place of racial paranoia and scapegoating of whites. What's that make you?

If you read this because the title bothered you, you should look into yourself. If you're planning to respond in a bothered tone, look at yourself a bit..

Right back at you.

Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot?

I like talking to people like you though.

would you be kind enough to provide a source for this graphic?

www.theguardian.com...

Why did you just post the graph and leave out all of the important stuff that explains the higher number?

From your source:

More than 21% of deadly incidents began with a complaint to police alleging domestic violence or some other domestic disturbance. About 16% arose from officers attempting to arrest a wanted person, execute a warrant or apprehend a fugitive. Another 14% of killings followed an attempted traffic or street stop, 13% came after someone committed a violent crime and 7% after a non-violent crime.
In addition to those killed after opening fire, 160 people were accused of refusing commands to drop a weapon. Another 157 were said to have pointed or levelled a gun or non-lethal gun at officers. Police alleged that 158 people killed had “charged”, advanced at or fought with officers. And while 79 people were killed after allegedly “reaching for their waistband” or grabbing for a weapon, 44 attacked officers, some with knives and blades.

“It would appear that police officers are often confronting people who are armed, non-compliant and threatening,” said David Klinger an associate professor of criminology at the University of Missouri-St Louis.

If you say to me, you're much more likely to be killed while white than black and I show you a graph which suggests that blacks are killed at about 2x the rate then i've answered you. However please, from that "Important information" decipher the races which they speak of on each level. Is the 13% purely black persons? :/

Wouldn't this be more relevant to the topic at hand?

About 25% of the African Americans killed were unarmed, compared with 17% of white people

i guess you are a "fight fire with fire" kind of guy, huh?

spoiler alert, thats a terrible philosophy when you are combating racism. it tends to make enemies out of people who might otherwise have supported you.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I've made a point to myself, many of them are outraged and responding with hostility. It's how I feel when I'm told I'm a criminal because I'm black. But that's fine, don't mind the tone of the thread my good sir! I have absolutely no issues with race of any kind.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

How about complying when a police officer tells you to stop or do something?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out to do what your told and go home safe versus being belligerent and getting your ass handed to you?


As far as stats to argue with you after you were caught in a statistical lie, there are many FBI stats already posted on ATS.


Look them up!


That is if you are interested in facts instead of emotions.

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom


Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot?

I like talking to people like you though.

Black people are committing crime at more than half the rate of any other group. But white people must be to blame.

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't but as a race, we are in a pretty big mess.

Yeah, the race of man is in a mess. Sadly, we have to deal with internal conflicts often the result of alleged "well meaning" people who look down their nose at people from a different walk of life than their own to the degree that they feel there's no way that different walk can possibly succeed without help. You're not superior to people of color. They do not need your pity and your help to succeed in life any more than anyone else does. Again, it's insulting and something society has worked to move past.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

How about complying when a police officer tells you to stop or do something?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out to do what your told and go home safe versus being belligerent and getting your ass handed to you?


As far as stats to argue with you after you were caught in a statistical lie, there are many FBI stats already posted on ATS.


Look them up!


That is if you are interested in facts instead of emotions.

technically speaking, if you are being unlawfully arrested, you have every right to treat the arresting officer as an assailant.

Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest. “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

So the US police are killing black people

It's hard to talk with people like you because you believe in myths. Facts are not found in your claims. Black men are RARELY killed by cops. White people are killed more by cops and you actually have a batter chance of being shot by a cop if you're white. Also, black men )6% of the population) commit more than half of the violent crime in this country. These are facts you ignore in place of racial paranoia and scapegoating of whites. What's that make you?

If you read this because the title bothered you, you should look into yourself. If you're planning to respond in a bothered tone, look at yourself a bit..

Right back at you.

Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot?

I like talking to people like you though.

would you be kind enough to provide a source for this graphic?

www.theguardian.com...

Why did you just post the graph and leave out all of the important stuff that explains the higher number?

From your source:

More than 21% of deadly incidents began with a complaint to police alleging domestic violence or some other domestic disturbance. About 16% arose from officers attempting to arrest a wanted person, execute a warrant or apprehend a fugitive. Another 14% of killings followed an attempted traffic or street stop, 13% came after someone committed a violent crime and 7% after a non-violent crime.
In addition to those killed after opening fire, 160 people were accused of refusing commands to drop a weapon. Another 157 were said to have pointed or levelled a gun or non-lethal gun at officers. Police alleged that 158 people killed had “charged”, advanced at or fought with officers. And while 79 people were killed after allegedly “reaching for their waistband” or grabbing for a weapon, 44 attacked officers, some with knives and blades.

“It would appear that police officers are often confronting people who are armed, non-compliant and threatening,” said David Klinger an associate professor of criminology at the University of Missouri-St Louis.

If you say to me, you're much more likely to be killed while white than black and I show you a graph which suggests that blacks are killed at about 2x the rate then i've answered you. However please, from that "Important information" decipher the races which they speak of on each level. Is the 13% purely black persons? :/

Wouldn't this be more relevant to the topic at hand?

About 25% of the African Americans killed were unarmed, compared with 17% of white people

i guess you are a "fight fire with fire" kind of guy, huh?

spoiler alert, thats a terrible philosophy when you are combating racism. it tends to make enemies out of people who might otherwise have supported you.

I do agree with you there. But hey, you can't always spare the rod.

Your title itself is racist. Your projecting. Q: Why are you so wrapped up in race? A: because YOUR A RACIST and your TRIGGERING me! STOP TRIGGERING ME! Boo Hoo, boo, hoo!

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom


Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot?

I like talking to people like you though.

Black people are committing crime at more than half the rate of any other group. But white people must be to blame.

Yes they do commit alot of crimes, I'm afraid of black people from time to time. My own people, But they didn't just wake up one day and decide to kill each other. Just pointing out a few reasons they might be this way.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

I am white but my penis is brown, where should I stand on this debate?

Yours, confused.

Stop "Factor 50'ing" your whole body except your penis when you sunbathe

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

So the US police are killing black people

It's hard to talk with people like you because you believe in myths. Facts are not found in your claims. Black men are RARELY killed by cops. White people are killed more by cops and you actually have a batter chance of being shot by a cop if you're white. Also, black men )6% of the population) commit more than half of the violent crime in this country. These are facts you ignore in place of racial paranoia and scapegoating of whites. What's that make you?

If you read this because the title bothered you, you should look into yourself. If you're planning to respond in a bothered tone, look at yourself a bit..

Right back at you.

Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot?

I like talking to people like you though.

would you be kind enough to provide a source for this graphic?

www.theguardian.com...

Why did you just post the graph and leave out all of the important stuff that explains the higher number?

From your source:

More than 21% of deadly incidents began with a complaint to police alleging domestic violence or some other domestic disturbance. About 16% arose from officers attempting to arrest a wanted person, execute a warrant or apprehend a fugitive. Another 14% of killings followed an attempted traffic or street stop, 13% came after someone committed a violent crime and 7% after a non-violent crime.
In addition to those killed after opening fire, 160 people were accused of refusing commands to drop a weapon. Another 157 were said to have pointed or levelled a gun or non-lethal gun at officers. Police alleged that 158 people killed had “charged”, advanced at or fought with officers. And while 79 people were killed after allegedly “reaching for their waistband” or grabbing for a weapon, 44 attacked officers, some with knives and blades.

“It would appear that police officers are often confronting people who are armed, non-compliant and threatening,” said David Klinger an associate professor of criminology at the University of Missouri-St Louis.

If you say to me, you're much more likely to be killed while white than black and I show you a graph which suggests that blacks are killed at about 2x the rate then i've answered you. However please, from that "Important information" decipher the races which they speak of on each level. Is the 13% purely black persons? :/

Wouldn't this be more relevant to the topic at hand?

About 25% of the African Americans killed were unarmed, compared with 17% of white people

i guess you are a "fight fire with fire" kind of guy, huh?

spoiler alert, thats a terrible philosophy when you are combating racism. it tends to make enemies out of people who might otherwise have supported you.

I do agree with you there. But hey, you can't always spare the rod.

"I more fear what is within me than what comes from without." - martin luthor king jr

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't but as a race, we are in a pretty big mess.

Yeah, the race of man is in a mess. Sadly, we have to deal with internal conflicts often the result of alleged "well meaning" people who look down their nose at people from a different walk of life than their own to the degree that they feel there's no way that different walk can possibly succeed without help. You're not superior to people of color. They do not need your pity and your help to succeed in life any more than anyone else does. Again, it's insulting and something society has worked to move past.

That's great bud, I understand that. My words would then be to those folks out there who shout "WHAT ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME! THE BLACK RACE NEEDS TO PULL THEMSELVES OUT OF THIS AND STOP CRYING SLAVERY. THEY SHOULD DO THIS AND THAT" Don't rush the race, don't insult us. Give us our time or assist us otherwise, shut up and lay back.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

The only expectation I have of anyone is to treat me as a human regardless of my skin color, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, hair color, eye color, height, weight, age, etc, same as I do everyone else.

You're far from an object to me.

I am white skinned with freckles, genetically male, identify as female, bisexual, have dark reddish brown hair, dark dark brown eyes, am 5'4 or 5'3 depending on time of day, currently am overweight close to 200 lbs will not say on which side I fall, and am 37 years old, but more than all these things I am human and so are you.

We're the same, both human, period end of story. I will never accept you as a member of the "black race" I will never accept being qualified as a member of the "white race" these are only skin colors to me about as relevant to me as my dark dark brown eyes. If you choose to identify yourself as such, and take on with it whatever burdens you allot to that identifier, that is on you, and you alone. I will not play the race game. I will also never accept guilt for the actions of another that I had no ability to control or stop.

If that makes me "racist" to you, then so be it.

originally posted by: ketsuko
So I wonder what what deep psychological and genetic scars we European descendents have from the depredations of the North Africans and the Middle Eastern slavers? They enslaved many of European descent.

I'm one of those white Hispanics, like that neighborhood watchman. We have our own box to check on gubment forms
so maybe my opinion is not even relevant. Oh snap! I just realized that I'm being marginalized. Where's Ceasar Chavez
when you need him? Never mind my intended post. I'm going out back and set my shed on fire in protest.
Any blue haired white chicks wanna support my protest? I got beer!

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom


Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot?

I like talking to people like you though.

Black people are committing crime at more than half the rate of any other group. But white people must be to blame.

Yes they do commit alot of crimes, I'm afraid of black people from time to time. My own people, But they didn't just wake up one day and decide to kill each other. Just pointing out a few reasons they might be this way.

No you're blaming scapegoats based on skin color. Much like all racists tend to do.

a reply to: SuspiciousTom

I didn't realize you, yourself, are identifying as black. You're part of the problem in that capacity as an internal enabler. Please know that many white Americans have higher hopes and more faith in the African American community and believe those among you who don't fall into the traps set by enabling devils have no ceiling on their achievements and potentials.

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom


Well if you have 800 pieces of regular crayon, and only about 88 pieces of 'other' crayon. If 60 of the regular pieces get shot, and 30 of the 'other' pieces get shot, which is more likely to get shot?

I like talking to people like you though.

Black people are committing crime at more than half the rate of any other group. But white people must be to blame.

Yes they do commit alot of crimes, I'm afraid of black people from time to time. My own people, But they didn't just wake up one day and decide to kill each other. Just pointing out a few reasons they might be this way.

It could also have something to do with the fact that some 70% of them have no fathers in their house and are born to extremely young mothers ...

You learn how to behave in society from your parents (notice the plural) who provide examples of how to act properly and treat each other properly. If your parents are messed up or not able to provide you that guidance and you don't have that guidance around you, then the chances are that you are going to come out with a skewed perspective of how to behave in proper society in a socially acceptable manner.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

The only expectation I have of anyone is to treat me as a human regardless of my skin color, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, hair color, eye color, height, weight, age, etc, same as I do everyone else.

You're far from an object to me.

I am white skinned with freckles, genetically male, identify as female, bisexual, have dark reddish brown hair, dark dark brown eyes, am 5'4 or 5'3 depending on time of day, currently am overweight close to 200 lbs will not say on which side I fall, and am 37 years old, but more than all these things I am human and so are you.

We're the same, both human, period end of story. I will never accept you as a member of the "black race" I will never accept being qualified as a member of the "white race" these are only skin colors to me about as relevant to me as my dark dark brown eyes. If you choose to identify yourself as such that is on you, and you alone. I will not play the race game. I will also never accept guilt for the actions of another that I had no ability to control or stop.

If that makes me "racist" to you, then so be it.

And I appreciate that. If you know within yourself you aren't a racist then nothing within this thread would bother you. As you've clearly demonstrated.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: SuspiciousTom

I didn't realize you, yourself, are identifying as black. You're part of the problem in that capacity as an internal enabler. Please know that many white Americans have higher hopes and more faith in the African American community and believe those among you who don't fall into the traps set by enabling devils have no ceiling on their achievements and potentials.

You have been on about something for quite some time. The many white Americans who do have hopes aren't bothered by the thread, they whisk away. I have hopes for my race. As I have stated, this thread is for they who cannot see and understand the reason the black community is currently the way it is. Many references made are to help those who make negative statements whenever a black person cries of the inequalities they face.