Big Pharma is Murdering America Through Prescription Addiction and the DEA is Screwing Us All

a reply to: apoc36

Gosh, your story makes me feel like a pansy

I would recommend, maybe if you want is to go online and find a good kratom vendor, I would mention a specific site, but not sure of that's allowed...but because of the pending schedule change they are selling bulk packages of kratom for a significantly lower price, maybe stock up on some? While we still can......

@spirt horse too.....im sorry you guys...

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: GoShredAK
That's not a good experience. I'm glad you've found something to help with anxiety, withdrawal a bit and hope it remains available to you.

My thoughts are genuinely with you.

I appreciate the kindess, I really do...

I am going to start back up my workout routine and healthy eating.

I need to just get tougher and get back to place where I don't rely on any substance.

The most infuriating thing to me is that there are children in this world that suffer from seizures and other terrible ailments, and CBD cures them!

These government agencies do not care about these suffering children and their parents....its the epitome of evil and I pray for their comeuppance. 🙏

I was amazed to see prescription-only drugs widely advertised throughout the US.

In Australia it is illegal to advertise prescription-only drugs and when you think about it there would be so many Americans that would read a glossy magazine or a slick ad and say "Oh I have those symptoms, I need drug X". Then they'd only need to go to the doctor and lie that their regular doctor already prescribes this medication and they can't make it to the other side of town to get the script filled. Or lie that they have certain symptoms in the hope of leading the doctor towards a particular drug which they've convinced themselves that they need.

originally posted by: ketsuko
But I also think a lot of people never fully test the limits of what they can endure and take pills expecting a painless existence too.

People want Instant gratification. It's human nature. They want immediate results with the least amount of work and discomfort, in all areas of life. They take the shortcut or the thing that gives them pleasure now, barely giving a second thought to any long-term consequences that may arise from their actions. And then when their lives are turned upside down, they wonder what the hell happened.

originally posted by: crankyoldman


There is only ONE correct question. What gives the DEA JURISDICTION over anything at all? Damn it! People just don't get it. Vioxx was APPROVED by the FDA and I assume the DEA and it KILLED PEOPLE based on fraud - they knew it killed people and it could be argued that the death of tens of thousands was planned in the approval process (another story). Vioxx is a horrifying example of why people fail to see the system isn't about protection.

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Good Post

The DEA, FDA and Big Pharma work hand in hand
And just like any war, if there is not a big enough war going on, they create the conditions for it, like Iraq, Syria etc

Or with the DEA, intentionally bring illegal drugs into this country to help fuel the war.

a reply to: apoc36

You sound like my doppleganger, add in arthritic hips and knees and you would be my clone lol. The coctail of pain meds i have is pretty staggering. Ive been on dihydrocodine [the old df118's] for nearly 10 years now along with gabapentin and nefopam and more lately oramorph for the real bad days. 20 years in a heavy construction industry trade wrecked my body

If i was to take the meds at the dossage the gp proscribed i would be a drooling slug. I know im seriously tolerant to the codine now and cant back that down but, the other meds i take at the bare minimum to get by. The oramorph is the scariest one tbh, its such a nice buzz and gives such a relatively pain free time i'm terrified im gonna be captured by it. Its the last resort stage andtbh im pretty disiplined as to when i use it, an ofshoot of this is i have quite a stockpile of it now so will have some currency during any grand shtf scenario lol.

btw ive tried a lot of alternatives, yoga, exercise, meditation etc. but nothing cuts it. the only time i am pain free is on the morph but thats only if im sat still, meh.

a reply to: DJDigitalGem

I have a question for you. As a first responder what is your experience with benzodiazepine withdraws?

I take Ativan and I'm experiencing withdraws right now. When I first started taking it it helped with my illness. Now I feel like it's doing more harm then good.

a reply to: wantsome
I know you didn't ask me but I also have first hand experience with benzo withdrawal. Not as a responder, just personally, so I hope OP answers as well because I would really like to hear what they have seen.......but FWIW

I actually started on ativan about ten years ago, then xanax, then valium, then klonopin and xanax, and ended it with Librium.......

My most notable symptoms during withdrawal were as follows;

.a fleeting, crazy dizzy like feeling In my head some people call "brain zaps"
.rebound anxiety, a debilitating anxiety with all the classic anxiety symptoms and panic attacks manifest easily
.a very stiff neck and jaw with headaches
.involuntary muscle spasms and twitches all over my body all day long
.hyper sensitive to light and loud noises, startled very easily.
.a weird pulsating whoosh whoosh whoosh sound in my brain
.electric shock sensations starting from my toes and up into my head
.a strange uncomfortable numb feeling In my skin
.I lost all feeling in the tips of my middle and ring finger (feeling returned now)
.absolute crushing depression
.extremely weak, lethargic, and zero energy. Walking across the house or getting dressed and tying shoes was tiring, very hard work
.heart palpitations and high blood pressure
.insomnia, even though I was constantly exhausted. Your body is worn out but your brain is hyperactive

That's about all I can think of right now.....

May I ask what your dosage was, how long were you taking them, and have you discontinued? If so did you taper down or just quit cold turkey?
Quitting cold turkey is extremely dangerous, and will cause more severe PAWS..

For reference, I was on and off benzos for about ten years, at the end I was taking up to 10mgs of klonopin a day or more. I tapered down to around .75 within a week. It is a miracle I did not have a massive seizure and that my severe symptoms were over in 12-14 days.


Today marks around six months since I was forced to discontinue and my PAWS (protracted acute withdrawal syndrome) symptoms consist of very low energy, moderate depression, occasional bouts of rebound anxiety. Sometimes I get these flashbacks liKe I am back in the acute phase again, but those are generally short lived...

Sorry I am tired, but hopefully that's a start to answering your question. The best way to avoid a bad W/D is to switch to a long acting benzo and taper verrrry slowly.....

a reply to: [post=21264310]Kalixi[/pos
The commercials also cause anxiety flares in those of us who have such issues.
I am utterly convinced this is all done to keep people scared and running to doctors for more and more meds. More medical care, more tests.

I once spent a week emailing every facility with the word c*ncer in it's title. I asked each one why they use that word without saying words like healing, health, cure, eradication. Perhaps they want that word in our brains so we worry more?
Here in St Louis, hospitals use billboards along highways to tout their "care". In some areas I cannot drive 1 mile without seeing several adverts for hospitals, urgent care centers and...lawyers.

oh, needless to say, not one hospital emailed me back to answer my query.

a reply to: DJDigitalGem

Ask your doctor if you should take medical advice from a TV commercial?

a reply to: DJDigitalGem

As a veteran, I can tell you this is absolutely the case. When prescribed ANYTHING, I routinely ask about side effects and when I asked about Vicodin years ago, I was told, "Nope, nothing at all as long as you stick to the 3x a day 10mg dose".

Well, my ignorance resulted in liver issues after a year and when I quit cold turkey, the withdrawal pains were like nothing I'd ever experienced. Took weeks to finally subside and I felt lucky to be able to do it.

Recently, more injuries and pain came about and I started using them again, but only when absolutely necessary to focus at work, which is about once a week. I hadn't had a prescription in quite a while and when I asked about a refills, I was told the DEA is now involved heavily in VA by requiring urine tests and other intrusive techniques to anyone that's prescribed them. My doctor told me (after looking both ways slyly) that I'd be better off with finding a more natural "herbal" remedy for my condition. Wink wink, nudge nudge.

I've since just decided to live with the pain most of the time..which until you experience it, is hard to describe just how distracting and rehabilitating it can be. It's like trying to ignore a migraine headache, you just can't and still function like a good slave.

From the start, the DEA does far more damage than they've ever prevented. The entire concept is a lie and only the most gullible and weak minded among us support them. Yes, Big Pharma loves them.

a reply to: ketsuko

Really good point about personal responsibility.

At the same time, there are some who just place their trust in their doctors (he told me to take them, gotta trust his decision).

a reply to: GoShredAK

I've been on 3mgs for about 3 years. I have schizophrenia and sometimes I wonder if the benefit from the drug out ways the negatives. I know what your mean small tasks just feel overwhelming when they shouldn't be. I'm tired all the time. I get heart palpitations tense feelings sometimes. Sometimes I feel like a spring ready to pop. I get confused and agitated a lot. I get tingling in my finger tips sometimes. Sometimes cold water feels like it's hot. Although I haven't had any depression from it. I take other meds and all have sedative effects.

Before I started taking it I had a hard time going public places. Going to the grocery store I'd freak out. I couldn't go to family events because of paranoia.

It's really a catch 22 for me. It helps but it has a lot of draw backs to it. Sometimes I wonder if I'm better off just dealing with the paranoia.

a reply to: ketsuko

No one forces them to take them but the physical and emotional addiction does and while you have the ability to withstand a higher threshold of pain, not everyone is like us. Only in emergencies? Check. Only when I absolutely must? Check. And, I don't take an entire pill. I take the smallest dose of what I need to function if I take it at all. Why? Because of the subject matter of the OP. Opioid addiction is very real and the OP nailed it. My suggestion is that you find some empathy for the people dealing with it.

I've had THREE friends who first started out as legitimate medical patients who required medication in that class and all three switched to heroin because they were thankfully denied by their Doctors after years of "pain management" aka abuse. All three college educated, two were lawyers and the third a forensic pathologist. They knew better and had they received proper rehabilitation, two of them would still be alive. The third, an attorney is clean now but his detox was so bad that it scared all of us. I honestly didn't think he would survive it. He says that every single day is a battle to not use. From the time he opens his eyes til he goes to sleep, he has the urge to use constantly. So, you need to 86 the judgements and worry about you. I was offended by your foolishness.

Oh and btw, your condition is only affected negatively with increased pain after you have taken opioids for too long in your treatment. Meaning, you have relied on them in the past so I'm not sure who you think you are to take such a pedantic attitude towards addicts, unless that is some kind of defensive coping mechanism to insure that you don't return to them. Or to treat them as the scourge they are. If so, I understand and I applaud your decision.

a reply to: DJDigitalGem

I'm not an EMT but I know what you are talking about.

Look at the methadone program-it is supposed to help heroin addicts but the done is so good the recovering addicts sell the methadone to other addicts so they can buy heroin! it comes full circle-the recovering addict sells drugs that may help stop the addiction and then they go and buy the drugs that got them addicted and then he needs more methadone.

Big Pharma relies on dependency. Those money hungry grubs need us to be sick which is why quite a few doctors are buddies with the producers of these medications and I dare say there could be some industry regulators on the payroll as well.

a reply to: DJDigitalGem

I use kratom for anxiety and since the DEA announced they were gonna ban it, it has not been as effective simply because I know the ability to live free from this anxiety disorder is being taken away from me on the 30th. I've gone back to taking Xanax for absolutely unbearable situations and to reflect how bad Xanax is, withdrawal from a .5 amount of this ended up causing me to have a seizure in front of my little girl at lunch yesterday. Even more so, I am hoping congress overturns this stupid decision.

a reply to: spirit_horse

I had a moment where I thought people could read my mind sorry. I do know what I am talking about just spewwing it without going into depth. I have over ten years hands on experience as well as working for a cancer specialist.

If you are dying or have cancer. You have no reason to be on opiates long term or for life. What you explained is close enough to dying. I meant to correct myself as to...If you are not dying or have cancer or close to the two. I also meant long term. Short term as to not get hooked is different. Opiate pain killers does not help the body in anyway except for the except block pain for 4-6 hours. Even 1-3 days of use starts to mess with cognitive functions even if small. There is a hundred better ways to deal with pain in almost all cases. Opiates is the most profitable and makes dependents.

The use of the drugs in short term for pain that will decrease is the main problem as to using the drug to long or not tapering correctly or to lesser drugs.

The human body is meant to have pain. We are using these drugs for common pain and it is making us more susceptible to pain.

a reply to: and14263

I agree 100%, any doctor that is able to give you a pain medication should be trained in how to help people get off these substances and have the ability to prescribe something to help get off of them, which is not always the case.

a reply to: Winstonian

This is the main reason I say if you are not dying or have cancer. Kratom and other alternatives can be enough. If you have cancer or dying you probably deserve the high euphoria drug that blocks all your pain.