The Mandolia Effect

a reply to: rothanwalker

OK, let's ignore the heart then. I'm assuming I made at the very least a plausible case there.

I could try and look into specific reasons for each one of those however as you said you could just find others. It reminds me of the whole transitional fossil debate. Showing a transitional fossil doesn't answer the question it just creates 2 more gaps in need of a transitional fossil.

I would go back to my most basic argument that if you can find a liver, stomach, intestine, sternum or kidney surgeon they wouldn't share this incorrect view. Strangely people who need to know things tend to be correct about those things more often than people who don't need to know.

I'm surprised that so many people remember the different proportions so clearly yet don't remember the day they changed.

Regarding coincidence, I have never said that people remember the same thing due to coincidence. The Mandela Effect impacts people so much because it cannot be dismissed as coincidence.
We all use the same hardware and we are all subject to the same social influences.

But let's say I can give plausible answers for 50 Mandela Effects that agree with my poor (yet falsifiable) theory.
At what point would you start to consider it a possibility? 100? 200?

Or can I give you plausible answer #1,000,000 and you can dismiss it all with "well what about Mandela Effect #1,000,001".

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

OK, let's ignore the heart then. I'm assuming I made at the very least a plausible case there.

Plausible for someone who is not educated in anatomy, sure. Not really for someone who is educated, though. But I'll give it to you. The reason that I suggested ignoring the heart is because that is the only one for which any "common misconception" exists. The heart is the only one that is commonly talked about or seen. Its the "easy one." The others ones are never talked about so how could everyone be making the exact same mistakes on organs that never are talked about? Not just for a single organ, but for EVERY organ. It just defies logic! The totality and uniformity of these mistakes is just astounding!

I don't think you need to worry about getting to a million lol looks like you're having trouble with just the few that I mentioned. Can you find any for any of the others? If there are things that are causing thousands or more people to make the exact same mistake I would think they would be fairly easy to find. If you can find some I'll let you know if they apply for me specifically. If you come up with legit examples then I will gladly consider the possibility that you may be correct. I have a feeling, though, that if you come up with any examples that they are going to be a stretch at best and that you may only find one or two at best.

The problem is that for your hypothesis to hold any water you have to find something or a number of things that would explain so many (educated) people not just making the exact same error for one organ, but for all of them. I don't think you're going to find that (I haven't been able to)... in fact I expect that you again will choose not to, saying that it wouldn't make a difference even if you did because I would just ask for more. If you want to talk science then test your hypothesis. Find some evidence that supports it.

Also just an added thought... you should want to find these examples even if they wouldn't change my mind. You should want to find them to test your own hypothesis and find some evidence to support it.

originally posted by: rothanwalker
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

OK, let's ignore the heart then. I'm assuming I made at the very least a plausible case there.

Plausible for someone who is not educated in anatomy, sure. Not really for someone who is educated, though. But I'll give it to you. The reason that I suggested ignoring the heart is because that is the only one for which any "common misconception" exists. The heart is the only one that is commonly talked about or seen. Its the "easy one."

Yes it is the easy one, but it's taken a while for you to accept that I have a point (however minor) in regards to the heart. I can move on to the others now. Sorry for the late reply.

The others ones are never talked about so how could everyone be making the exact same mistakes on organs that never are talked about? Not just for a single organ, but for EVERY organ. It just defies logic! The totality and uniformity of these mistakes is just astounding!

It would actually defy logic more to only have one organ move. What organ do you remember in the same place? There's limited real estate and there's no empty gaps. Going off my uneducated opinion (which is similar to all those non-surgeon's out there), and sticking with the one's that effect me. I think I can see where my thinking is wrong.

For me, this starts with the rib cage and the lungs. I assume (probably due to the shape) that the lungs are just as big as the rib cage. From that error, all the other organs like the kidneys have to be lower. Also as I picture the rib cage as just covering the lungs, that reduces the size I would assume the sternum to be.

I'm not sure about the liver, intestines or the stomach. Those ME's didn't work on me, I didn't remember "correctly", I just didn't have an opinion either way.

If you want to talk science then test your hypothesis. Find some evidence that supports it.

I'm testing my hypothesis now. I'm sure it's wrong and there's flaws in it, however I haven't found an ME yet that works on me and doesn't fit into my flawed description of Mandolia. (Although my theory allows me to ignore things by saying I didn't experience them, and the freedom to make up fanciful excuses).

I know I'm wrong, but I reckon you're wronger.

But you were gracious enough to give me the easy heart one.
What If I return that graciousness and give you the easy one that the Mandela Effect is 100% real?

I think a simulation is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the start of our universe. If the Mandela Effect was somehow proof of this I would want to know. I'm a nihilist at heart so I really don't have a stake in the game, but there's massive implications to the world of physics that can't be ignored. The most interesting one to me being....

Why doesn't Mr Berenstain remember when it was Mr Berenstein.
I have perfect memory of reading Berenstein. It's almost too clear.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Yikes... lol if that explanation is satisfactory to you...

As someone who is educated on the topic none of that even comes close for me, but I guess you can try to force a square peg into a round hole and say that it influenced me subconsciously. If thats the explanation you're going with then I guess... "congrats you did it!" haha

I'm not positive, but if I was going to put my money on something right now... simulation would absolutely be possible because literally anything can happen in a simulation. But that leaves questions as to who is running it and I don't know what answers to that question would be satisfactory.

I'll tell you what I *think* but not that I am trying to convince anyone of... this is just how I feel... but I feel like it provides answers that make some sense.

I think maybe that we have one "reality" and that changes are being made to our reality. This reality *might* be "code based" similarly to a simulation, but I think it is just more how or *actual* reality is rather than it being a simulation. I don't know what entity might be doing this or for what purpose. I think a "find and change" type of method is being used to change reality, so some third party type stuff remains because it had a "spelling error" that the "find and change" function didn't catch. Could be updating "prefab" objects that in turn update related things as well, but if something isn't connected to that prefab it wouldn't get changed. I think these changes are supposed to go unnoticed but for some reason some of us see them. Not sure why or how on that part.. just a "bug." I think the reason that Berenstain doesn't remember his own name being different, Sinbad doesn't remember the movie, so far we haven't officially had a doctor or surgeon come out and verify these changes is because certain people or groups are specifically targeted to make sure that they "accept" the new way. The bugs have been worked out for certain people for whom it is more important that their memories align with reality. Possibly also certain "zones" may have been targeted at certain times... as in pause reality and manually update all of the beings present in a zone to make sure they don't remember the old way. I don't know. All pure speculation, but it seems to answer most of the questions. Of course, I just made it all up to do exactly that lol. Like I said, just sharing some personal musings, not trying to convince anyone. Take it for what it is worth.

originally posted by: roadgravel
So the Mandolin Effect is the time change or the memory change part?

Or was it Manfred Mann Effect...

I think you have been blinded by the light. It's the springstain effect in my reality

originally posted by: rothanwalker
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I think these changes are supposed to go unnoticed but for some reason some of us see them. Not sure why or how on that part.. just a "bug." I think the reason that Berenstain doesn't remember his own name being different, Sinbad doesn't remember the movie, so far we haven't officially had a doctor or surgeon come out and verify these changes is because certain people or groups are specifically targeted to make sure that they "accept" the new way. The bugs have been worked out for certain people for whom it is more important that their memories align with reality.

Fair enough, at least you're not making a CERN connection or any of the other provably wrong ideas people have put forward. I personally lean towards the whole simulation idea due to time being created in the big bang. The virtual particles that created the big bang would have needed some form of time outside of our own and a simulation seems to be the only answer to that, at least the only one I can try and grasp.

I wouldn't make the claim that we are the point of the simulation. And it could be possible that we were an unintended and possibly unknown consequence of that simulation.

My main interest when it comes to ME's is the religious nature of the argument which you seem to have touched on a little here. The idea that the people in charge of the simulator are individually effecting a persons reality goes against my personal belief (or lack thereof). Obviously my feelings don't matter however the only answer we could really get as to why these mystery beings are changing the past for only those for whom it is irrelevant is that "God works in mysterious ways".

Granted, it's the best pro ME argument I have heard.

I guess I should just be happy I don't have to experience the horrors that would be brought onto our world had Fruit Loops remained Froot Loops.