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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And now, he's got dismal support from almost every demographic in the country
originally posted by: TheRedneck
On another hand, why is the business expected to pay someone for not working? The employment contract was originally a simple exchange of labor for money, with an ongoing agreement to how much exchange would happen in a time period. It has expanded to now include healthcare, paid vacation, paid medical leave, retirement accounts, etc. At some point, it will become a nanny state in itself, with the pay being not for time worked, but for the title itself. At that point, a worker becomes useless and there can be no jobs.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: DBCowboy
And now, he's got dismal support from almost every demographic in the country and it looks like his candidacy may cause the Repubs to lose their majorities in the House & Senate.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: Sremmos80
You're right, I don't like to admit he gets it right sometimes but I don't mind saying it. He doesn't have all bad ideas, just I disagree with some of his major points.
I don't get what is so bad about helping families with kids.
Well...
Trump's plan..
6 weeks (Maternity-Moms only)..paid unemployment insurance (not full pay)
Women whose employers don't offer paid maternity leave could collect six weeks of unemployment benefits
Economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who runs the right-leaning think tank American Action Forum, worries that this kind of proposal invites employers to drop their paid maternity leave policies and "stick it to the taxpayer."
Hillary's Plan that has been around a while...
12 Weeks (Maternity and Paternity - moms or dads)
At least 2/3rds income
money.cnn.com...
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: DBCowboy
Charles Krauthammer criticized Donald Trump's proposal for new childcare subsidies, saying the Republican candidate was trying to "out-Democrat the Democrats."
The proposed subsidies would include tax deductions, rebates for lower-income households and new tax-preferred savings accounts, as well as a new promise of paid maternity leave for workers who don't now have it.
"I think this raises the question of how many Democratic parties does the country need," Krauthammer said.
insider.foxnews.com...
Not surprised to NOT see this posted.
The left probably likes it and doesn't want to say anything positive about Trump.
The right hates it, but doesn't want to say anything negative about Trump.
Like I've said, regardless who wins, taxes will go up, freedoms will be lost, the status quo will remain.
Here we have another entitlement program that is reportedly going to be paid by the savings from cutting fraud, waste, abuse from government.
What will happen is that the tax payer (those of us still paying) will get stuck with the bill.
I remember a time when government/business didn't care about childcare leave. You worked, you got paid.
You didn't work? You didn't get paid.
Here's another link to the "plan".
www.donaldjtrump.com...
I never saw this article. That is probably why I didn;t post it.
People do not get paid for childcare unless they are working or in some states in school full time.
Most modern countries have paid maternity leave. Family leave for the father. We are so far behind on that it is shocking.
If they get paid leave, they obviously are getting 'leave' from some type of job, where they have already contributed taxes.
originally posted by: intrepid
This is a HUGE gamble. Trump's supporters will go for anything he says BUT there's a lot of Republicans that this will turn off.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: intrepid
This is a HUGE gamble. Trump's supporters will go for anything he says BUT there's a lot of Republicans that this will turn off.
It's like a massive game of Simon says...
I have lost track of how many time Trump has made "conservatives" advocate for things they were staunchly against five minutes before he said it.
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: Sremmos80
You're right, I don't like to admit he gets it right sometimes but I don't mind saying it. He doesn't have all bad ideas, just I disagree with some of his major points.
I don't get what is so bad about helping families with kids.
Well...
Trump's plan..
6 weeks (Maternity-Moms only)..paid unemployment insurance (not full pay)
Women whose employers don't offer paid maternity leave could collect six weeks of unemployment benefits
Economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who runs the right-leaning think tank American Action Forum, worries that this kind of proposal invites employers to drop their paid maternity leave policies and "stick it to the taxpayer."
Hillary's Plan that has been around a while...
12 Weeks (Maternity and Paternity - moms or dads)
At least 2/3rds income
money.cnn.com...
Paternity leave? Really? 12 weeks? Does she realize that in a medium sized business, 12 weeks for a man and woman to be gone will be overlapping with other people on leave? Paternity leave.....wow.
Reddit: 17 weeks
2.Facebook: 16 weeks
3.Bank of America: 12 weeks
4.Yahoo: eight weeks
5.Patagonia: eight weeks
6.Google: seven weeks
7.Twitter: six weeks
8.Arnold and Porter: the primary caregiver gets 18 weeks of paid time off and the secondary caregiver gets six weeks
9.Comcast: four weeks (with the option of an additional eight without pay)
10.Microsoft: four weeks
11.Trip Advisor: four weeks
12.McKinsey and Company: four weeks
13.Covington and Burling LLP: four weeks for non-primary caregivers
14.PricewaterhouseCoopers: three weeks
15.McGraw-Hill Financial: three weeks
16.Deloitte: three weeks
17.Discovery Communications: three weeks
18.Fannie Mae: 20 days
19.Wal-Mart: 2 weeks (with an option for an additional six without pay)
20.Ernst and Young: two weeks (six weeks for primary caregivers)
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5
I have lost track of how many time Trump has made "conservatives" advocate for things they were staunchly against five minutes before he said it.
For instance?
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: Sremmos80
You're right, I don't like to admit he gets it right sometimes but I don't mind saying it. He doesn't have all bad ideas, just I disagree with some of his major points.
I don't get what is so bad about helping families with kids.
Well...
Trump's plan..
6 weeks (Maternity-Moms only)..paid unemployment insurance (not full pay)
Women whose employers don't offer paid maternity leave could collect six weeks of unemployment benefits
Economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who runs the right-leaning think tank American Action Forum, worries that this kind of proposal invites employers to drop their paid maternity leave policies and "stick it to the taxpayer."
Hillary's Plan that has been around a while...
12 Weeks (Maternity and Paternity - moms or dads)
At least 2/3rds income
money.cnn.com...
Paternity leave? Really? 12 weeks? Does she realize that in a medium sized business, 12 weeks for a man and woman to be gone will be overlapping with other people on leave? Paternity leave.....wow.
Companies Like FB, Google etc. already have Paternity Leave...hell FB even pays "Baby Cash" bonuses...If you are a new dad they not only give you 4 months paid time off work, but they pay you a few thousand dollars bonus...
It doesn't hurt their bottom line...it INCREASES it...FB's revenues have been breaking records for while now.
What is the average employee worth to a company?
Even at failing companies like yahoo...each employee returns an average of almost 400k
For FB's employees...it's over 1.3M in revenues a year the average employee earns them.
www.businessinsider.com...
Taking care of people isn't a moral imperative...it's competitive advantage allowing you to hire the best in the world..
20 Companies that offer PATERNITY leave
Reddit: 17 weeks
2.Facebook: 16 weeks
3.Bank of America: 12 weeks
4.Yahoo: eight weeks
5.Patagonia: eight weeks
6.Google: seven weeks
7.Twitter: six weeks
8.Arnold and Porter: the primary caregiver gets 18 weeks of paid time off and the secondary caregiver gets six weeks
9.Comcast: four weeks (with the option of an additional eight without pay)
10.Microsoft: four weeks
11.Trip Advisor: four weeks
12.McKinsey and Company: four weeks
13.Covington and Burling LLP: four weeks for non-primary caregivers
14.PricewaterhouseCoopers: three weeks
15.McGraw-Hill Financial: three weeks
16.Deloitte: three weeks
17.Discovery Communications: three weeks
18.Fannie Mae: 20 days
19.Wal-Mart: 2 weeks (with an option for an additional six without pay)
20.Ernst and Young: two weeks (six weeks for primary caregivers)
workplace.care.com...
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5
I have lost track of how many time Trump has made "conservatives" advocate for things they were staunchly against five minutes before he said it.
For instance?
His brief and mushy Amnesty flop comes to mind...I saw posters here on ATS who immediately went from "round-em-up" to...well...some folks don't break the law and how are we going to deport 11 million people...