Trump goes left, new childcare subsidies

Charles Krauthammer criticized Donald Trump's proposal for new childcare subsidies, saying the Republican candidate was trying to "out-Democrat the Democrats."

The proposed subsidies would include tax deductions, rebates for lower-income households and new tax-preferred savings accounts, as well as a new promise of paid maternity leave for workers who don't now have it.

"I think this raises the question of how many Democratic parties does the country need," Krauthammer said.

insider.foxnews.com...

Not surprised to NOT see this posted.

The left probably likes it and doesn't want to say anything positive about Trump.
The right hates it, but doesn't want to say anything negative about Trump.

Like I've said, regardless who wins, taxes will go up, freedoms will be lost, the status quo will remain.

Here we have another entitlement program that is reportedly going to be paid by the savings from cutting fraud, waste, abuse from government.

What will happen is that the tax payer (those of us still paying) will get stuck with the bill.

I remember a time when government/business didn't care about childcare leave. You worked, you got paid.

You didn't work? You didn't get paid.


Here's another link to the "plan".
www.donaldjtrump.com...

You're right, I don't like to admit he gets it right sometimes but I don't mind saying it. He doesn't have all bad ideas, just I disagree with some of his major points.

I don't get what is so bad about helping families with kids.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Nothing is wrong with helping families with kids.

But when you eventually get mandated by the government via taxes, then it isn't really helping families with kids.

It's being forced to give money to government so they can determine what families with kids get the money that they took from you.

Republican and Trump supporter - I'm all for it.

Single moms get more money staying at home collecting benefits. Even if they want to work after child care costs it is less than the govt teet.

Unless you are going to turn off the bennies many of them will stay home.

Maybe this will get some of them out into the workforce.

It needs to be income based though, we don't need families making 100k a year now get cash back for childcare costs.

a reply to: DBCowboy

What's there to be surprised by? He's a businessman who's donated to the Democratic Party, was a registered Democrat from 2001-2009, is friends with the Clintons, has benefited from NAFTA & the trade deals with China, and defended Bill against being impeached. Even people right here on ATS were saying he's a Manchurian candidate last summer after he announced his candidacy.

And now, he's got dismal support from almost every demographic in the country and it looks like his candidacy may cause the Repubs to lose their majorities in the House & Senate. So out of desperation, he's recently tried and failed to pander to African American voters & Hispanic voters (after also failing to court disgruntled Bernie supporters). So now he's trying to pander to some of the other people on the Left who still despise Hillary.

a reply to: DBCowboy

What's surprising? He's adopted some of the Clinton platform to court her voters. Also not surprising is that yesterday he lied and said that Clinton had no child care plan despite the fact that it's been on her website apparently for more than a year. Also not much of a shock is that her plan is more detailed.

A final non-shocker is that Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron repeated the Trump lie saying that Trump, "has laid out his child care policies before Hillary Clinton has done anything in serious detail"

I'm surprised you're surprised!

a reply to: DBCowboy

Oh ya I forgot the people getting the help don't pay taxes according to some.

a reply to: jjkenobi

But we're compounding the problem of entitlements instead of cutting entitlements to begin with.

There's going to come a time when nothing we do won't have the jackboot print of government all over it. Sadly, I see it now.

a reply to: jjkenobi

It needs to be income based though, we don't need families making 100k a year now get cash back for childcare costs.

So you are all for a "progressive" system?

Paid Family Leave

Trump: Trump doesn't offer leave for fathers, but his maternity leave plan would guarantee six weeks of paid maternity leave in the form of unemployment insurance, which is capped at a percentage of income in many states.

Clinton: Clinton's plan guarantees 12 weeks of paid family leave - for mothers and fathers with at least two-thirds of their salary. It would be paid for by raising taxes on the wealthy.

www.nbcnews.com...

I'm not really fond of either of their plans and more than likely, in both, some families will be left out in the cold while the subsidies in the plans just serve to increase the cost of the child care...

but, in this case, clinton's plan seems to be a tad bit more unrealistic.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: DBCowboy

What's surprising? He's adopted some of the Clinton platform to court her voters. Also not surprising is that yesterday he lied and said that Clinton had no child care plan despite the fact that it's been on her website apparently for more than a year. Also not much of a shock is that her plan is more detailed.

A final non-shocker is that Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron repeated the Trump lie saying that Trump, "has laid out his child care policies before Hillary Clinton has done anything in serious detail"

I'm surprised you're surprised!

Yea, but lying isn't a big deal with the militant liberals. In fact, it's expected, right?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Here whats going to be funny.

Watching the Trumpeteers cheering for it.

Even though if Hillary (no I dont support the wrecthed hag either) suggested they would cry and moan.

Ps
I disagree with paying for others brats.

a reply to: crazyewok

You're right.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Problem is easily solved by dismantling the corrupt, vulture-like insurance industry and instituting public healthcare for all US citizens.

Well, maybe not "easily" as such, but it'd be a step in the right direction. No more exclusive programs, no more vulture insurance corporations.

I don't see why childcare is not a thing the US Government pays for, presumably it does not to benefit giant corporations as usual.

Corporatocracy. What a fun system.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: crazyewok

You're right.

Trump was right.

A lot of his supporters so blindly follow him, he could shot a random person and they would still support him.

a reply to: DBCowboy

how about the billions in taxes to the feds that go missing year after year....

how how our tax dollars go to funneling and destabilizing certain regions, or better yet, big corps that are immune to taxes, or government officials and businesses avoiding taxes all together...
your tax dollars have done far worst than help families in need.

thats the outrage which deserves their own thread. i'd rather see trump make America great again in every aspect. not just rhetorical demagogue greatness, greatness for all Americans.
Maternity leave has been proven to benefit families, the U.S. is of course the last to implement both maternity and paternity leave, whilst its the norm in most European and asian countries.

a reply to: network dude

Lying is a big deal with everyone...

a reply to: DBCowboy

I assume Hillary will have a similar plan. The US is behind almost every nation in the world when it comes to time off after having children. Did you know that even slaves were given 6 months off? Today most women are lucky to get 2 weeks.

As far as the child care part goes, that's just inevitable. If you have an economy based on both parents working, you're going to have to care for their children. Daycare is what, $10/hour? Take a typical wage of $25/hour, that's $15 after taxes, $5 after child care... what's the point in working?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
But when you eventually get mandated by the government via taxes, then it isn't really helping families with kids.

It's being forced to give money to government so they can determine what families with kids get the money that they took from you.

And this is why the right and the GOP in congress will NEVER go for it. His plan is decidedly progressive. It would never get past a GOP-controlled Congress.

originally posted by: crazyewok
I disagree with paying for others brats.

So do I. If people want to have children, I think they should be able to take care of them. I heard a guy this morning saying Trump's plan didn't go far enough, because it only covers FOUR children and this guy had EIGHT kids! Please!

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: crazyewok

You're right.

Trump was right.

A lot of his supporters so blindly follow him, he could shot a random person and they would still support him.

Depends on the person.