The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Yes, but you said your motivation was that we poor sods were wasting our time discussing it. Why do you feel the need to "call us" on anything whatsoever, particularly if your concern is simply our time-wasting here on this thread.

Sigh... I never said my motivation was what you wrote above. I just stated that I was bothered by the fact that REAL issues are getting overlooked by some of the absurd claims that are discussed on this site every day.

How are we supposed to provide proof? Should we roll out some child corpses for you? Provide another film like "Conspiracy of Silence" that you can't be bothered to watch?

It's impossible for there to exists a large-scale conspiracy without any kind of proof of it's existance. THAT is why I don't believe these things exist. Conspiracies are small and short-lived. Every person added to it creates more and more probability of word of the conspiracy getting out. Hence my claim that there are REAL conspiracies arooundn us every daya that are going on, and I even named a few. The existance of THOSE issues CANNOT be denied, because they exist. Large-scale conspiracies like the ones discussed here are just too unreal an unfounded to convince me that they exist.

And I will watch that video if you think it will convince me, or if you think it can be considered credible evidence. To me, it sounded like this was not the case. I will certainly not pay for the video, but if you think it would e worth my time then I will take your word for it.

Aren't there other threads that are bigger time-wasters, Sebat? Why not spend your time on one of the John titor threads. Those people NEED your help.

I am a Freemason and my interest is in the Secret Societies forum, particularly on the threads in relation to Freemasonry. When I said that I wanted people to know the truth, and that I wanted to correct people's mimsinformation, I was referring to those on the subject of Freemasonry. I got wrapped up in THIS thread because freemasonry was brought up at some point or another.

Sigh... I never said my motivation was what you wrote above. I just stated that I was bothered by the fact that REAL issues are getting overlooked by some of the absurd claims that are discussed on this site every day.

Why are you sighing? Is there something I'm failing to grasp? Missing and tortured kids is a REAL issue, for people like me. What people do you speak for? Why are you so good at defending Masons and so bad at defending helpless kids?

A centuries-old fraternity of powerful men requires your defense and yet you won't do anything to educate yourself on the issue of child-torture?

Maybe the secret societies forum is not the best place for this thread. I'd rather have it moved elsewhere than have you post about what you do not know and have no interest in learning about. No offense, of course.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Why are you sighing? Is there something I'm failing to grasp? Missing and tortured kids is a REAL issue, for people like me. What people do you speak for? Why are you so good at defending Masons and so bad at defending helpless kids?

Why would I defend something that I am not convinced exists?

A centuries-old fraternity of powerful men requires your defense and yet you won't do anything to educate yourself on the issue of child-torture?

Maybe the secret societies forum is not the best place for this thread. I'd rather have it moved elsewhere than have you post about what you do not know and have no interest in learning about. No offense, of course.

Don't put words into my mouth! You have NO idea how educated I am about which subjects, nor how willing I am to educate myself about others. You are making bad assumptions about me, without evidence or anything to base your assumptions off of... much like people on this forum seem to do all the time with other supposed "conspiracies".

But I NEVER claimed to know ANYTHING about the subject you are talking about, I merely gave my own humble opinion, which you took some great offense to for God knows what reason. Don't forget, YOU are the one that attacked me, and not the other way around. I am the one on the defensive in this thread, because you seem to feel like you had to take it upon yourself to question my motives and beliefs simply because I do not agree with you and because I called "B.S.".

It seems that in a conspiracy theory forum, it's the people who DON'T believe in the conspiracies that are out of the mainstream frame of mind.


[edit on 4-5-2005 by sebatwerk]

After a Mind controlled person (sleeper) is been activated to do something, can he/she stop him/herself from following through with the command and act?

It seems like does really on how much (conscious) will power a person has, there is nothing that can be done. Even if that person has been aware all along that he/she is been mind-controlled, he/she still could not stop himself/herself from the inevitable. Hence the term 'Resitence is Futile'

Despite full knowledge or aware, Can that person do anything to stop him/herself from being activiated?

Despite full knowledge or aware, Can that person do anything to stop him/herself from being activiated?

In my opinion, yes. If you remove the person from their controller, for example, in the movie, The Manchurian Candidate (which was an excellent novel first), it is the mother who is the controller of the son, Raymond. Notice the sexual overtone when she passionately kisses him. If Raymond is removed from her and deprogrammed, he can be healed. So long as the manipulated person is reinforced regularly, by little phrases and so forth, they can be controlled very easily.

There is a drug, if I understand correctly, which is derived from the nightshade plant. It is called 'scopolamine'. I understand it is also used to fight motion sickness. Apparently it has been known for some time that scopolamine, or 'scopy' as it is called, puts humans into a trance state where they become hypnotized robots. People can be controlled for weeks under this stuff.

If you combine a substance like that with regular reinforcment of self-defeating memes, it's not hard to keep a person controlled.

As for the moment where a sleeper killer is activated, that's where the trauma comes in. When a codeword is given, like "Apple", the mental trigger will be a sudden memory of horrible pain the person has been conditioned to forget, except when the word is heard. In this way, the pain and emotional state of the trigger word can cause the subject to feel intense hatred toward a particular target like say, John Lennon or Reagan, etc. Sihan Sirhan wrote pages and pages of notes in jail. Where are they? He said he was hypnotized.

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Despite full knowledge or aware, Can that person do anything to stop him/herself from being activiated?

In my opinion, yes. If you remove the person from their controller, for example, in the movie, The Manchurian Candidate (which was an excellent novel first), it is the mother who is the controller of the son, Raymond. Notice the sexual overtone when she passionately kisses him. If Raymond is removed from her and deprogrammed, he can be healed. So long as the manipulated person is reinforced regularly, by little phrases and so forth, they can be controlled very easily.

There is a drug, if I understand correctly, which is derived from the nightshade plant. It is called 'scopolamine'. I understand it is also used to fight motion sickness. Apparently it has been known for some time that scopolamine, or 'scopy' as it is called, puts humans into a trance state where they become hypnotized robots. People can be controlled for weeks under this stuff.

If you combine a substance like that with regular reinforcment of self-defeating memes, it's not hard to keep a person controlled.

Yes that's probable. but That's before that person is triggered.

scopolamine or scopolomine is one the drugs that Fritz mentioned in his book. Do a search of the above drug on this link below and you see:

Supposedly '...Scopolomine [is a] (truth serum that makes people willing to do whatever they are told)...'
www.whale.to...

Originally posted by smallpeeps
As for the moment where a sleeper killer is activated, that's where the trauma comes in. When a codeword is given, like "Apple", the mental trigger will be a sudden memory of horrible pain the person has been conditioned to forget, except when the word is heard. In this way, the pain and emotional state of the trigger word can cause the subject to feel intense hatred toward a particular target like say, John Lennon or Reagan, etc. Sihan Sirhan wrote pages and pages of notes in jail. Where are they? He said he was hypnotized.

Yeah I agree with that statement. The emotional self took over somehow.

But If a person does know that he/she is a mind-controlled sleeper and try everything he/she to advoid being activated. Yet, when it comes time for the activation, he/she still get activated. it's as if the deprogramming effort was done in vain.

Can a person be fully deprogrammed in his/her lifetime at least?

If a person does know that he she is a mind-controlled sleeper and try everything he she to advoid being activated. Yet, when it comes time for the activation, he/she still get activated. it's as if the deprogramming effort was done in vain.

Can a person be fully deprogrammed in his/her lifetime at least?

Well, if I were a doctor advising such a person, I'd probably say, "You should try to imagine the most traumatic thing you can ever recall happening to you" and I would try to work them through the supposed conditioning. I mean, people have had horrible trauma of rape, torture, and yet have been healed and rehabilitated right? If you could lower the severity of the traumatized-memory-reaction, you could stop the severity of their urge to kill, I suppose.

For example, if the Kennedys had paid trained hypnotists to look for Sirhan Sirhan or others like him, that hypnotist would be able to determine who in the crowd is under influence. Assuming it is trauma that is driving Sirhan, he should be able to be intercepted before he acts. If a good hypnotist could engage him in conversation, they could easily turn his motivation into just pure remberance of the trauma and he'd probably break out crying on the spot. Bang. You have rendered the sleeper killer impotent.

Yes, I am confident that in the case of an MPD or DID person, the mind could be healed. I am certain of that.

We have an eternal soul, all living beings. I believe this very strongly, and I think that somehow this force can acts as a cohesive element. If you broke a planet apart in space, but you didn't move the pieces far from each other, they'd eventually come back together, right? I think a human soul is like that. I think simply a nurturing, loving environment would accomplish "miracles" in re-constituting those people. No one is beyond saving.

Anyone who feels this is worth talking about should post. I am curious to know if there is anyone who feels that MPD/DID can in some cases be a manufactured disorder. Are we to assume that if our enemies have performed these experiments and crimes against humanity (which they have), that we ourselves might also have been nationally guilty of this human-treason? I am speaking for at least two humans that I have met in my lifetime. I have observed this condition, albeit as an amateur.



[edit on 21-5-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Well, if I were a doctor advising such a person, I'd probably say, "You should try to imagine the most traumatic thing you can ever recall happening to you" and I would try to work them through the supposed conditioning. I mean, people have had horrible trauma of rape, torture, and yet have been healed and rehabilitated right? If you could lower the severity of the traumatized-memory-reaction, you could stop the severity of their urge to kill, I suppose.
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Yes, I am confident that in the case of an MPD or DID person, the mind could be healed. I am certain of that.

I affraid that the deprogramming process is more complicated than that. One best analogy i can give is that of 'Tissue Box'. You solve one trauma and another one pop up. Not only that there are fail safe program that runs just in case something is goes against the programming. For example,

'...The jokers and internal programmers will work night and day to stop or reverse any work done toward freedom. There are so many levels, suicide programs and so many other defenses a person’s body is not strong enough to attack the programming head on...' (see the 5th paragraph in this link below

www.whale.to...

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Originally posted by smallpeeps
We have an eternal soul, all living beings. I believe this very strongly, and I think that somehow this force can acts as a cohesive element. If you broke a planet apart in space, but you didn't move the pieces far from each other, they'd eventually come back together, right? I think a human soul is like that. I think simply a nurturing, loving environment would accomplish "miracles" in re-constituting those people. No one is beyond saving.

Yes! Also, did you know that despite how many time a programmers fragmented the person's mind, the Core part of that person is doing whatever it takes to put itself back to together.

...When someone has been traumatized from the fetus on up--there is no single core such as therapists usually look for. The Core for the programmers is the unsplit essence of the mind which drives or provides energy for the System. This Core is not an alter, but is an essence that the programmers hide. The Core is not an alter. The programmers do not touch the core in the fashion they do alters. They hide the core. Part of the drama that is carried out during the entire victim’s life, is that their mind tries to protect this untouched core essense of their mind from being touched. If they think anyone, the therapist or the abuser are going to tamper with it, the mind and its parts will protect that core. As strange as it may seem, when a therapist talks about integration, they often scare the victim’s mind that the integrity of the core and its innocence will be violated, and the victim’s mind does everything it can to avoid contaminating the integrity of their core, i.e. they sabotage therapy and return to their programmer who understands their safety issue. Initially, in the 1940s, the Illuminati researched what would happen if the Core was allowed to meet up with the alters, and they discovered that the brain’s essence or energy will work to pull the mind back together. Therefore, the Core is separated and hidden from all the alters...

www.whale.to...:%20%20Fracturing%20the%20Mind

There is still hope, but only if the whole person (conscious, subconsious and uncouscious) is willing to give up the illusion.

Sebatwerk:

Do you think there is no evidence whatever of a conspiracy of Mind control and world dominance?

Regardless of Sebat's reply, I have to say I am impressed that this thread has not been moved. One cannot say that ATS is biased away from discussing this subject although there will always be distractions.

I would like to mention a woman I knew when I was a Jehovah Witness. She was a blonde woman, the picture of happiness.

One day, aged 34 or so, and having just given birth to her first child (that anyone knew about), she parked her car on the side of the highway and leapt into the path of an oncoming semi, leaving her infant daughter and husband behind. I knew this woman personally.

You could say that this was simply post-partum depression, but I knew these people and upon reflection, I believe there were other forces at work. Disposing of humans is a learned and studied technique.

Glad to see this thread get attention. I hope it goes for a hundred pages.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Regardless of Sebat's reply, I have to say I am impressed that this thread has not been moved. One cannot say that ATS is biased away from discussing this subject although there will always be distractions.

I would like to mention a woman I knew when I was a Jehovah Witness. She was a blonde woman, the picture of happiness.

One day, aged 34 or so, and having just given birth to her first child (that anyone knew about), she parked her car on the side of the highway and leapt into the path of an oncoming semi, leaving her infant daughter and husband behind. I knew this woman personally.

You could say that this was simply post-partum depression, but I knew these people and upon reflection, I believe there were other forces at work. Disposing of humans is a learned and studied technique.

Glad to see this thread get attention. I hope it goes for a hundred pages.

Whatever happened to the kid?

Whatever happened to the kid?

The child and the father moved away. I left the cult shortly after.

What motivates a woman to leap from her car, leaving the child strapped and buckled in the back seat? What came over her?

In all fairness, there may have been some trigger, as people do choose suddenly to take their own life, but it is rare. Her behavior was odd prior to this. She was very sweet to me and always seemed like she was hiding her real personality. On the couple occasions when I was a teenager and she and I went doorknocking together (as JWs do), I sensed pain deep inside her, if people can sense such things.

I guess my intuition was right, eh? This was not the first JW I personally knew who died via suicide. Hangings, wrist slashings, etc.


[edit on 21-5-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps

In all fairness, there may have been some trigger, as people do choose suddenly to take their own life, but it is rare. Her behavior was odd prior to this. She was very sweet to me and always seemed like she was hiding her real personality. On the couple occasions when I was a teenager and she and I went doorknocking together (as JWs do), I sensed pain deep inside her, if people can sense such things.

I guess my intuition was right, eh? This was not the first JW I personally knew who died via suicide. Hangings, wrist slashings, etc.

[edit on 21-5-2005 by smallpeeps]

She fits the genetic criteria. My guess is that her programming was failing or they did not want her anymore or something like that.

My only worry i have for the child is that he/she may undergo some type of programming or abuse from the father. Also, the child as he/she is growing may be conditioned to think that he/she was responsible for the mother's death...But that's just speculation...

Man, I wish I had gotten interested in all this Mind-Control and Brainwashing stuff sooner... All those skeptics out there should seriously meditate upon what current situation is in this world...

Mass Media virtually dictates/controls public opinion...
The President of the US is borderline illiterate and an alcoholic (alcoholicism is a trait of many cult survivors)
What is it? 800,000 children go missing every year...
The corporate elite now control the governments...

I could go on and on...

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SPUN-OUT THEORY:

Prescott Bush (George Bush's grandad) worked for the Nazis (who at the time were attempting to rule the world), George Bush Sr. was the president of the most powerful nation on earth, George W. is now the president of the most powerful nation on earth...

Anyone else see a pattern here...

Now while almost all of my information is circumstantial (at best

) I beleive that George W. may be the product of systematic mind-control since he was a child... He has had everything handed to him on a plate... and I beleive Daddy Bush may have been his "slave master" on behalf of the NWO...

Call me crazy...

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Anyone see the documentry on RFK's assassination (Australias History Channel) just recently? Sirhan Sirhan (the guy who apparently did it) is beleived to have been a Manchurian Candinate... Even his Defense Attorny beleives so, though because of this, his appeal case has been largely discredited...

Could Oswald have been a Manchurian Candinate, and what about the guy who killed Oswald... So many questions, so little answers...

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Anyone heard of spin programming?

Abstract
Information obtained clinically from seven multiple personality patients with recalled histories of ritual abuse has revealed a coercive technique previously unknown to psychotherapists. This technique here labeled "spin programming," appears designed to spread effects such as pain, painful emotions, and other feelings or urges globally throughout a patient's personality system for purposes of either designing and building a young victim's personality system, or harassing older victims and disrupting psychotherapy. Spin programming appears to be based on a combination of physical spinning, cognitive and imagery training, and repetition and practice aimed at creating an internal multi-alter spinJeannieit the pain or affective components of numerous traumatic memories simultaneously to large groups of targeted alters. This paper presents signs and symptoms commonly seen in patients subjected to spin programs, training methods apparently used to create spin programs, and an analysis of strengths and weaknesses of spin programming.

That old black magic has me in its spell, that old black magic that you weave so well. Those icy fingers up an down my spine, the same old witchcraft when your eyes meet mine, that same old tingle that I feel inside, and then that elevator starts its ride: Down and down I go. 'round and 'round l go, like a leaf that's caught in a tide ( ...) Darling, down and down I go, 'round and 'round I go, in a spin, loving the spin I'm in, under that old black magic called love. Johnny Mercer, c 1942, 1969

Spin Programming

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EDIT: If this sounds unintelligent/written by a 12 year old forgive me, I am tired and hungry - please look beyone the unintelligent babble and pick out the key points I am trying to illustrate...

[edit on 7-8-2005 by ghostsoldier]

Anyone see the documentry on RFK's assassination (Australias History Channel) just recently? Sirhan Sirhan (the guy who apparently did it) is beleived to have been a Manchurian Candinate... Even his Defense Attorny beleives so, though because of this, his appeal case has been largely discredited...

The RFK case is just too obvious. I read a book which said that Sirhan Sirhan said straight out, "I was hypnotized" and that he wrote pages and pages of words to this effect which were surpressed as evidence.

Anyone heard of spin programming?

Yes, this is used with children where they are told to stand in front of a programmer and 'spin' in place. This makes the child dizzy, but it also opens their mind to suggestion. At least, that's what I've read.

In fact, to create Dissociative Identity Disorder, one needs only to subject the person to abhorrent trauma and little else. I am friends with a guy, age 30, who was vicitimized around age eight through eleven and who has at least five personalities. When he feels threatened, he reacts by allowing his dominant protective personality come to the front, but this is often bad news for everyone else. I have placed him under hypnosis and observed these personalities. They are distinct, just like you see in the movies about Did/MPD.

When you stare into the eyes of a person who has DID/MPD, you can see the helplessness these humans feel. Their minds have been fragmented (often in self defense during periods of prolonged trauma) and they want nothing better than to put themselves back together. It's just very, very hard to forget serious trauma that's done to us. When they integrate, it often is the case that the merging of their violent-protective persona holds many hidden memories of trauma, and when that aspect of personality merges with their more sensitive aspects, that trauma can come rushing back to their minds. With no defense against those memories, the two parts cannot cohabit the same conciousness and so they remain apart out of pain. The DID/MPD victim lives with their pain-storing persona hidden in the back so that it can handle the memories and the nice persona will often be the one that's controlling the person's movements. In a way, they have compartmentalized their pain and cannot open that compartment without reliving the pain.

At what point in your life would you be willing to actively remember and relive years of childhood rape/torture? Most people would not be able to endure, at all. Fragmentation of personality is a sign of a strong mind, IMO. They do this to survive the trauma and if they didn't, they'd remain integrated as one person, but they'd be catatonic or otherwise unable to function.

I am just an amateur, mind you. Hypnosis is easy to learn, but if you put a DID person under hypnosis, the wrong words can easily trigger them into violence, particularly against themselves.

Spin programming is a very effect for of programming.
www.whale.to...

How many of you have heard of these: mary-go-around, carousel...

Originally posted by smallpeeps
When you stare into the eyes of a person who has DID/MPD, you can see the helplessness these humans feel. Their minds have been fragmented (often in self defense during periods of prolonged trauma) and they want nothing better than to put themselves back together. It's just very, very hard to forget serious trauma that's done to us. When they integrate, it often is the case that the merging of their violent-protective persona holds many hidden memories of trauma, and when that aspect of personality merges with their more sensitive aspects, that trauma can come rushing back to their minds. With no defense against those memories, the two parts cannot cohabit the same conciousness and so they remain apart out of pain. The DID/MPD victim lives with their pain-storing persona hidden in the back so that it can handle the memories and the nice persona will often be the one that's controlling the person's movements. In a way, they have compartmentalized their pain and cannot open that compartment without reliving the pain...

This is why it so crucial that these people found a psychologist or deprogrammer to help/guide them during when they integration process begin. Somehow, they should find a way to release these memory and emotions...and than be able to forgive those people that did this them...and be able to forgive themselves as well...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Mass Media virtually dictates/controls public opinion...
The President of the US is borderline illiterate and an alcoholic (alcoholicism is a trait of many cult survivors)

I believe you, as well as many others underestimate the Potus...to offer a perspective....Jessica Simpson made her fortune by playing herself as a 'dumb blonde'.....the chicken of the sea quote is now pop culture. She has been reported to have an IQ of about 160. This puts her in the upper echelon of intelligence. Likewise, I am sure the President is similarily playing up the public's perception of his intelligence, or lack thereof.

The principle is effecive on a couple different levels....first, it allows for the public to feel conlfident about itself by lending credibility to their personal identifications. "You could grow up and be President if you work hard enough, " is a phrase that many people in our society believe. By allowing the public this seemingly realistic illusion, their concerns (if any) are assuaged and they are more willing to trust the authority....after, they are one of us....

Second, it allows for the advanced intelligences to stay in the background......ever listen to a political speech. So very simplistic in nature. And it was written like that on purpose.....usually by someone other than the speaker. Don't make the mistake of believing that the facade of our leaders are their real personas.....they have public relations people for a reason...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Anyone heard of spin programming?

Very interesting. Since childhood, I get sick at the thought of 'turning around in circles.....physically. My last trip to an amusement park left me with the realization that centripedal forces disagree with me intensley.....I have thrown up on more than one occasion due to carnival rides.

My personal experiences aside, I will undoubtedly be reviewing this information. Thanks.....

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
EDIT: If this sounds unintelligent/written by a 12 year old forgive me, I am tired and hungry - please look beyone the unintelligent babble and pick out the key points I am trying to illustrate...

Looks like you are new to the subject and are still working on the corrolations. I commend you're efforts and look forward to more...

[edit on 7-8-2005 by MemoryShock]

Originally posted by MemoryShock
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I believe you, as well as many others underestimate the Potus...to offer a perspective....Jessica Simpson made her fortune by playing herself as a 'dumb blonde'.....the chiken of the sea quote is now pop culture. She has been reported to have an IQ of about 160. This makes her in the upper echelon of intelligence. Likewise, I am sure the President is similarily playing up the public's perception of his intelligence, or lack thereof...

That I truly agree! I am not surprise that she would a IQ of 160! the smarter the person or programmee is the more structure the programming remains...

Yet, the media made look so dumb...

My rule of thumb...would that the dumber looking a person might seem the smater he/she is actually is...when it comes to famous people!

the same goes for people who are so innocent looking...

Originally posted by MemoryShock
Likewise, I am sure the President is similarily playing up the public's perception of his intelligence, or lack thereof.

I think you're right. The President is certainly not "dumb" but he's just not an intellectual. I think he uses this to his advantage to make his political enemies underestimate him.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
The RFK case is just too obvious. I read a book which said that Sirhan Sirhan said straight out, "I was hypnotized" and that he wrote pages and pages of words to this effect which were surpressed as evidence.

Yeah, not to mention he admitted in court he did it, but strongly enforced the fact that for "some reason" he could not remember why or how he did it, infact he didn't recall anything about the actual event...

Plus that book is now missing... Also, a Psychiastrist/Hypnotist had several interviews with him... And discovered that he went into Hypnotic trances much easier than the average person, and when under hypnosis he again was able to write pages and pages on the subject... This has again gone un-recognised by the juctice system...

ALSO, there are reports that after RFK was shot, a woman in a white polka-dotted dress ran out the fire escape screaming "We shot him, we shot him, We killed RFK..."

Might I add that plenty of witnesses reported this, and the Police as well as the FBI refused to beleive this... And are on tape during an interveiw saying things to the effect of "This is not true, please why do you keep lying, do it for the Kennedy's sake, just tell us what we need to know..." ... She eventually (and regrettably) backed down...

Also one of the journalists for this particular documentry, got a hold of all the police statements of the time, and tracked down the people who made them - He showed them these statements and asked them to comment...

Immediately people began to say "I didn't write this...", "This has been changed..." etc etc... Things like the reports of the young lady saying "We shot him...." Were changed to "They shot him..."

Not to mention extra bullet holes etc etc etc... I'd also like to make clear that the young lady in the polka-dot dress, has been never seen again....

Originally posted by MemoryShock
The principle is effecive on a couple different levels....first, it allows for the public to feel conlfident about itself by lending credibility to their personal identifications. "You could grow up and be President if you work hard enough, " is a phrase that many people in our society believe. By allowing the public this seemingly realistic illusion, their concerns (if any) are assuaged and they are more willing to trust the authority....after, they are one of us....

Hopefully I dont loose alot of people hear by exposing my political beleifs... ie a Commie ... But here is something that may be of interest to a few people...

The Invisible Laws of Capitalism

The laws of capitalism, invisible and blind for most people, act upon the individual without his awareness. He sees only the broadness of a horizon that appears infinite. Capitalist propaganda presents it in just this way, and attempts to use the Rockefeller case (true or not) as a lesson in the prospects for success. The misery that must be accumulated for such an example to arise and the sum total of baseness contributing to the formation of a fortune of such magnitude do not appear in the picture, and the popular forces are not always able to make these concepts clear. (It would be fitting at this point to study how the works of the imperialist countries gradually lose their international class spirit under the influence of a certain complicity in the exploitation of the dependent countries and how this fact at the same time wears away the militant spirit of the masses within their own national context, but this topic is outside the framework of the present note).

In any case we can see the obstacle course which may apparently be overcome by an individual with the necessary qualities to arrive at the finish line. The reward is glimpsed in the distance and the road is solitary. Furthermore, it is a race of wolves: he who arrives does so only at the expense of the failure of others.

I shall now attempt to define the individual, the actor in this strange and moving drama that is the building of socialism, in his two-fold existence as a unique being and a member of the community.

I believe that the simplest approach is to recognise his un-made quality: he is an unfinished product. The flaws of the past are translated into the present in the individual consciousness and constant efforts must be made to eradicate them. The process is two-fold: on the one hand society acts upon the individual by means of direct and indirect education, while on the other hand, the individual undergoes a conscious phase of self-education.

Extract from; Man and Socialism in Cuba by Ernesto "Che" Guevara

Originally posted by MemoryShock
Second, it allows for the advanced intelligences to stay in the background......ever listen to a political speech. So very simplistic in nature. And it was written like that on purpose.....usually by someone other than the speaker. Don't make the mistake of believing that the facade of our leaders are their real personas.....they have public relations people for a reason...

I've said it sense I first became politically aware... Presidents and Prime-Ministers are generally figure-heads... A face the public can associate with being "in charge" of the country... I suppose its the same with Osama Bin Laden...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Anyone heard of spin programming?

Originally posted by MemoryShock
Very interesting. [...]
I will undoubtedly be reviewing this information.
Thanks.....

No problemo, I came across it the other day - its pretty weird huh?!

What I found particularly interesting was the apparent "babble" that came out of John Mercer... Who was a victim of Spin Programming... Notice the way in which he speaks, the very way inwhich he speaks goes around in circles, and is very cryptic in nature... Also in the majority of the cases beleived to be Spin Programming - the victims drew spirals and other related "doodles"... Pretty weird...

"That old black magic has me in its spell, that old black magic that you weave so well. Those icy fingers up an down my spine, the same old witchcraft when your eyes meet mine, that same old tingle that I feel inside, and then that elevator starts its ride: Down and down I go. 'round and 'round l go, like a leaf that's caught in a tide ( ...) Darling, down and down I go, 'round and 'round I go, in a spin, loving the spin I'm in, under that old black magic called love.
--- Johnny Mercer, c 1942, 1969

Originally posted by MemoryShock
Looks like you are new to the subject and are still working on the corrolations. I commend you're efforts and look forward to more...

Cheers... Perhaps I am more transparrent than I previously thought...
*Memo to self.........*