Obama cancels meeting with Philippines' Duterte after insult

a reply to: ketsuko

Can you argue that isn't necessarily the typ of thing that needs to happen up and down system in Mexico?

Philippines?

Is sanctioning carte blanche vigilantism a sign of good leadership?

a reply to: thinline

Trump clearly.

a reply to: Kandinsky

I have often thought at what point does something get so out-of-control that it reaches critical mass where good cannot overcome evil without the good taking otherwise repulsive measures to rid it.

Then there is the ever present argument as to what defines evil, and who decides what is evil. But, meantime, the evil is running rampant and destroying your home and your children.

A coloured character as Obama said:


8list.ph...


To every "Ka boy" out there.

a reply to: queenofswords

I think the same thoughts.

It's a massive task to turn back the tide of generations.

Maybe Italy is a comparative example? A lot of people were killed on the way to reducing the mafia's influence. it took decades. They did it without telling the citizens to go out and kill others.

a reply to: Kandinsky

well Italy has a western mindset, not really comparable. When you have a certain mindset, and try to find solutions for problems in countries with a different mindset than yours, you end up creating more problems, unless you take a time for realizing how things are done and what works there. Just my hunch.

a reply to: Substracto

Which 'certain mindset?'

a reply to: Kandinsky

The western mindset vs asian mindset vs middle eastern mindset, know what I mean?


If you have time and patience, watch this, Henry Rollins has some interesting examples from his own stories while traveling the world:


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originally posted by: Substracto
a reply to: Kandinsky

The western mindset vs asian mindset vs middle eastern mindset, know what I mean?

Not really. Differences yes; identifiable 'mindsets' no.

Gimme 90 minutes to watch the Rollins video, 10 minutes to digest and 20 minutes more to compose a five line internet post that's provocative, thoughtful and star-worthy.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Minute 26, highly recomended

a reply to: Substracto

Can you spell it out?

a reply to: Kandinsky

it's like this, Henry travels to Haiti, after the Earthquake, he wants to do some good there, takes money and has the genuine interest on helping people, he gets himself a driver who acts as his tour guide, gets himself in a hood or a sort of a hood, and meets the people there, asks them what he can do for them, how can he help them, they ask for bar soaps and soccer balls, so he goes into a supermarket and buys every soap availabe and soccer balls, he gets back to the hood, and delivers it to them creating chaos, there is a "system" there, there is one man who acts as the "Alpha", he goes to Henry and teaches him a lesson on how that "system" works, he grabs the soap and starts delivering things to people who receive it in an ordely manner, Henry discusses how he thought things with a western mindset way of solving problems, instead of realizing how it actually works on a different country. You have to watch it, he is amazing at telling those stories, food for the mind and perception.

a reply to: UKTruth

That's because you are ignoring facts because you don't like them. That is your choice.

a reply to: Substracto

I've a copy of his Talk is Cheap album and quite like the guy. I'll give it a go.

For all of those who have taken the time to post in this thread and share your thoughts; thanks. Now.... Crime on the streets is down 49%....700,000+ have turned themselves in for rehab...2000 supposed druggies and pushers have been killed... Depending on who was counting there was somewhere between 3.6 or 3.8 million addicts in the P.I. before the clean up program started. youtu.be...

I think Puppylove mentioned Mexico and their Narco state ? Sorry if not her.... Narco state to me means the big boys all the way down to the Peons can be involved ....which I agree with.... due to past experiences with friends in the DEA and Border Patrol plus a few local nationals .. Those who work that gig know how high and how far the trade goes...but hey it is a pay check so do your 20, keep you mouth shut, stay alive, and retire..

Any leader who was democratically elected...... and can look the U.N. or a Super Power who claims one of their best Buds as Saudi Arabia and yet complain about human rights; oxymoron ?.... a country trying to rid themselves of all the crime and addicts... well at least he has the will to actually do something about it instead of throw money at the problem like the USA has been doing since Nixon was in office... I guess since Nixon knew Viet Nam was coming to a close the USA needed another trumped up war.... but I personally think it was a form of a race war against those in the inner cities with no education and no way of making any money except with drugs; certainly has been beneficial for the prisons for profit, no?..

Forget all the DEA and Police who have claimed over the years that it was certain segments of our own government who were the biggest suppliers.. Iran Contra and how they got the money and where it went, Ricky Ross, Mike Ruppert, youtu.be... and many, many others who are all mostly dead or suicide-ed for speaking out..


So back to the Philippines... with entrenched judges, military commanders, police, and other leaders of a country who have a hand in and aide the pushers and suppliers, just how do you get rid of the drug trade ? I guess you have to turn to your own citizens who have to live with this crap every day.... Millions of eyes are better than a few corrupt individuals proclaiming what a great job they are doing as they bust a rival.....

By the people watching the crooks get very rich off their miserably cheap government paroles maybe the people and Duterte will actually have the last word...... for the way most of the west fights this plague darn sure ain't working unless you want your prisons full and cheaper and more plentiful drugs on the streets.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Thank you, I hope people will believe it is true when you say it - me and any available source on the internet doesn't appear to be good enough for some people

It seems many on here are happy with the thought of state sanctioned vigilante death squads, that's fine, perhaps it will catch on and they will get the opportunity to sample it first hand.

a reply to: uncommitted



I think it's the season for state sanctioned vigilante death squads. Theyre coming back into fashion.

They haven't worked out well anywhere else, but some people want to keep second guessing history.

a reply to: 727Sky

Crime on the streets is down 49%....700,000+ have turned themselves in for rehab...2000 supposed druggies and pushers have been killed..

'Crime' would be down, wouldn't it? Street beatings, kidnaps, tortures and murder are no longer crimes. What's left must be traffic offences, prostitution and shoplifting. Think about it.

So back to the Philippines... with entrenched judges, military commanders, police, and other leaders of a country who have a hand in and aide the pushers and suppliers, just how do you get rid of the drug trade ?

This is a big point. If Duterte is happy for anyone to kill anyone, why hasn't he called open season on the judges, bent cops and district fixers?

Can the heroin trade be halted by executing the street addicts of New York, Liverpool or Marseilles?

a reply to: Kandinsky

Perhaps things are occurring in steps.

These judges aren't killing the people in broad day light are they? Cause the drug cartels actually do.

I think stopping the people literally killing the populace is priority number one. Once the citizens are safe we can move on from there.

Would it make more sense to let the criminals killing people keep doing so while focusing on trying to root out who's in who's pocket?

Perhaps part of going after the cartels first is to try and get info from these criminals of who's on the take in exchange for leniency. You know, so he doesn't have to arbitrarily kill and imprison police, judges, and politicians not on the take.

There might be reasons things are going in the order they are.

a reply to: bijouramov
I can provide facts from a variety of sources, you just choose not to listen to anything you don't like.