Nasa: Earth is warming at a pace 'unprecedented in 1,000 years'

Well, I can't argue with the entire war thing because society really is on a downward spiral. And the idea that the Earth will be heating FOREVER does seem a bit farfetched, unless forever means the end of human society.

It is also true that there are other things causing climate change. I've seen a whole presentation on it. But tell me, what kind of evidence is there that these other forces are equal to or greater than our force of destruction?

And the idea of "let it happen naturally" is probably the worst possible way to deal with things. Sure, our technology is going to develop no matter what, but by prioritizing it and setting our goals on clean energy development, we can drastically increase the speed of these developments because more money and more time will be put into it.

While hard science can say with 100% certainty that the warming is due to the industrial rise of humans, I think there is plenty enough evidence to suggest it's a very possible reality. And not then planning or changing to correct that is stupidity.

The odds that we are just hitting a "climb in temperature" just now? In the 100-ish or so years of industrial revolution? It can occur every few hundred thousand years.. and we are just coincidentally hitting it now? While possible.. again, it's monumentally irresponsible to just assume that man has nothing to do with it, and carry on as we always have and hope for the best.

Such is mankind though.. just ignore the obvious until we are already neck deep and then we try to bail out and hope for the best.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It will be too late before this becomes a trend or cool to talk about

a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

Phew everyone it mist all be lies this guy says so....
Durrrrrr.
We are fcked we may have had a chance if people were not ignorant 20 years back but as you can see in this thread people are still ignorant or just don't care.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: dingdongdoodah

If you look long term climate history of uk you will find decades of unusual hot temperatures followed by unusual cold spells to widespread floods across england. all before CO2 from industrial age increased (IPCC says 1750). here

I don't need to look it up I know so , we have had very bad floods where I live the last two years also but thanks for the link

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DupontDeux

First, human civilization has only been around for about 6000 years. Human civilization will fall before we go extinct. Do you not find the end of human civilization to be alarming in anyways? Oh just because the Earth will go on, all is fine. Then we can continue to gas ourselves to death right?

So it will fall, but it's alarming..

And I suppose the answer is a government solution, because government is the only entity with your well-being in mind. I wish they cared about me so much when it came to the DMV.

originally posted by: fleabit
While hard science can say with 100% certainty that the warming is due to the industrial rise of humans, I think there is plenty enough evidence to suggest it's a very possible reality. And not then planning or changing to correct that is stupidity.

The odds that we are just hitting a "climb in temperature" just now? In the 100-ish or so years of industrial revolution? It can occur every few hundred thousand years.. and we are just coincidentally hitting it now? While possible.. again, it's monumentally irresponsible to just assume that man has nothing to do with it, and carry on as we always have and hope for the best.

Such is mankind though.. just ignore the obvious until we are already neck deep and then we try to bail out and hope for the best.

If it's possible then "hard" science cannot say with 100% certainty that it's not. Consensus is not science, otherwise the world would have been considered flat up until the space age.

So why is there so much un-expected ice at the north pole?

originally posted by: DupontDeux

Nasa: Earth is warming at a pace 'unprecedented in 1,000 years'

Well that's a mighty short timespan.

(the period covers the last 0.00000002% of the Earth's existence.)

Also, it means that it is not unprecedented. What happened following the other times it rose at this pace? For how long should the pace continue to be unprecedented?

Not only but how did they came up with the average global temperature for the first thousand years of the chart in the OP?

Were thermometers around back then? Tree rings and ice cores don't record temperature, do they?

Hope this warming doesn't effect my love of skiing.

The chance of Earth naturally warming is always a possibiliy... But not in this case. As the OP said, the RATE at which the temperatures are rising is seriously alarming. Never before have they increased as much as they have the past century, and that's what's alarming. It shows that what we're doing is much worse than natural warming, for often times things can't handle such quick change... I mean, just look at images of the polar cap shrinking. It's really disturbing to see how quickly it will be depleted.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

But but but...volcanoes and politics!

I've been living in the same town for almost twenty years and I once could set my clock to a summer afternoon storm, now we are getting winter storms in the morning. Another factor to consider is the behavior of the wildlife, I've noticed that snakes and birds are breeding earlier because the temperatures for incubating eggs are perfect despite the fact that it was winter.

Another member cleverly mentioned the industrial revolution and that is something worth considering. Ever since the IR started there has been mass deforestation (trees store carbon dioxide) and we have been biting off more than we can chew since the steam train. Some believe that we have little to do with the rapid changes in the climate and their hubris could send our planet to an early grave.

originally posted by: markosity1973

Oceans are rising. Most of the world's biggest cities are located on seaboards or rivers (shipping ports) Hurricane Katrina's devastation in New Orleans will become a regular occurence in cities around the world.

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So it depends on who you talk to, and quite some.

As for world populations, you could stick them all in our tiny UK.
As for feeding everybody, with some proper help, as in the EU fashion, Africa could feed the world and itself.
But we don't do that, we make sure Africa is kept in states of war and what amounts to slavery, while the bloodstone money is kept in the hands of a few. We make a no man's land of North Africa and steal their oil.

Our 'governments' feed us propaganda and lies and we gobble it up greedily to the extent we believe anything pretty much, and never at our happiest unless we are chanting, 'rule Britannia' or 'USA, USA' to someone elses 'misfortune'

So no, there is no mad dog change in sea levels, and any that there are, are not unusual over a period like the last hundred years or so, as well as that, you may find Southern coastlines of the UK and Eire being swallowed up by the sea, but that's not the sea rising, it's the land tipping down, while the Northern coastlines are rising due to 'post Glacial Rebound', that's happening now, and was going to happen anyway.

But you carry on, just believe anything that men in white coats tell you, they don't lie...do they?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
a reply to: Krazysh0t

What do you suggest we do about it? Do you think this is a permanent trend?

It could be a permanent trend. And with the way things are going, it probably will be...

As for what to do. The first thing we need to do is get the majority of people on board with fixing this issue instead of arguing amongst ourselves whether it is real or not. Then we can have as many brains as possible thinking about solutions.

I can say for a fact that whatever IS to be done isn't going to be fun and will probably make a lot of people upset because it will ruin their comfort levels, but something needs to be done soon.

Here is a perfect example of why I take issue with the "Climate Change" crowd. I'll keep this part nice and non-partisan. You said we need to get "on board with fixing this issue". The problem is...we can't. We can't because we don't completely understand the "issue". We don't know what part of (lets say) the 100% increase is fixable. If humans and our ways only contribute to 1% of that 100% increase...fixing everything, fixes nothing. If we are 50+% of the problem...different story. The "Climate Change" crowd wants to "fix a problem" without knowing what the problem is and therefore, not knowing how to fix it. It would be like hitting a car engine with a wrench hoping to fix a broken carburetor. It is stupid...worthless and not worth the effort. Hell...we could cause MORE problems.

Now that partisan part. When someone or any group tells you they want to "fix the problem" and claims to know what "must be done" when no one knows the reason...they are lying. So you must ask why they are lying...and it is typical. They want more power and control. They want to be able to tax more, punish more, force others to do as they want more, etc. No different than any government that taxes at will, or controls the healthcare of the populous, or who HAS A HISTORY OF ABUSING SUCH POWER...and now they want to be able to turn off businesses, individuals and corporations under the guise of "fixing climate change"?

Logic supports this group wanting more power. Logic and fact is...no one knows how to "fix" warming. Sure...we know that plugging a cow's ass with a cork will help...but it most likely won't change a thing. Instead, the left wants to cork the smokestacks of a corporation unless they do as the left wants...or else.

Anyway...back to non-partisan mode. I would absolutely agree we need to invest in understanding the TRUTH behind climate changes. But we also need to be able to TRUST those investigating it. There is a known desire by the left to use it as a weapon so it can't include them. The right isn't opposed to logic and truth. We live here too and we wish to continue to do so. But we don't have an agenda other than facts on this topic. So...lets invest in understanding climate change and see if there is an actual way to fix it. But we must do so with a group that doesn't want to weaponize it.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: TheRedneck
That does not mean the 'true value' is the median of that range. It means the 'true value' exists somewhere in that range. We could have actually cooled slightly (although I doubt that). In other words, this is just another scare tactic based on spinning statistical data.
TheRedneck

It's the data that is the problem, I do not believe for one minute that the raw data itself is any more truthful than the man in the Moon, never mind all the manipulations and algorithms that are shoved into Schmidts models.

Take a look at these two samples, the first one classed as best sited, in California and in place for over a hundred years with little environmental change,

Just look at the differences in the visual settings, how the second picture is obviously now in an unsuitable environment....then compare their graphs over the last 90-100years. The Californian one has actually decreased markedly in temp readings, while the Marysville one below, classed as poor, or very poor has increased quite dramatically.

files.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't care what anyone says, there's no fancy computer algorithm that can sort out those two to get even a smidging of a mean, never mind any parameter of true.

files.abovetopsecret.com...

At this point I'm just posting the same thing, so smurfy:

originally posted by: Greven
Do you disagree with spectral analysis of the atmosphere showing CO2 absorbing some bands of radiation?
Do you disagree that humans are emitting vast quantities of CO2?
Do you disagree with the Stefan–Boltzmann law?

If you accept these three things, then you must accept that warming at the surface will happen with an increase in CO2, and we're to blame for that happening. Bickering over temperature measurements is a distraction.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Russian science has disagreed as well...maybe YOU are the mistaken party. Boychik.
notrickszone.com...

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Have you actually read that article? What do you think it is saying?

a reply to: Greven

The warming period is ending...and YOU?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Greven

The warming period is ending...and YOU?

Gee I don't know, why don't I just quote the article that you linked:

Ural: snow causing the tree line to rise.
Climate change does not only mean that the temperature is increasing, it can also change the precipitation patterns. In the Ural Mountains of Russia significantly more snow is falling in the wintertime than 100 years ago. The development is having surprising consequences: The bigger amounts of snow is causing the tree line to rise.
In the summertime in the Urals its has not gotten notably warmer over the past 100 years. The wintertime temperatures, however, have increased from minus 18°C to minus 16°C. Warmer low pressure systems are bringing more precipitation to the mountains. In the Urals today twice as much snow is falling than 100 years ago. And that is having an impact on the treeline.”

According to the DLF, a team of German and Russian scientists say the tree line is currently rising at a rate of about 4 to 6 meters per decade.

The scientists believe that the doubled snowfall serves to protect young saplings during the winter and allow soil conditions that foster growth during the summer time. Photos of the region has allowed the scientists to determine treelines that today are up to 60 meters higher than 100 years ago.

Snow is precipitation. In order to get snow, it has to be warm enough for there to be water vapor in the form of, y'know, clouds. Snow happens when water vapor (gas) turns into tiny ice crystals (solid) - sublimation.

Ice storms are what you get when freezing rain happens, which sucks tremendously and destroys countless trees. Do you know how freezing rain works? It falls as rain (hence warm enough to be rain in the first place), goes through a very cold layer of air, then freezes on impact with the ground or trees. Funny how this works huh.

It's hilarious when people star posts that are incredibly wrong.

a reply to: Greven

AND all the others you completely missed right?
9 more and you ONLY react the first one...
REPORT BACK AFTER THE other 9 THEN talk.

Try THIS one...www.washingtontimes.com...