Nasa: Earth is warming at a pace 'unprecedented in 1,000 years'

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Problem is we'll hold on to the status quo until it's much too late.
Netherlands plan to ban petrol and gas cars in 2025, the fact that they call it too radical shows how stupid we collectively are. It's too little too late. Even in a best case scenario by 2025 we will have arrived at a more than 5°C average warming.
That's deadly to most plants, sea and land animals.
So yeah enjoy the next 5-10 years, because after that...

That is interesting, considering we have not even seen an average of 1C warming...still waiting for those oceans to rise too, not an iota in the 20 years ive been hearing about it supposedly sinking us all under.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Farlander
a reply to: gmoneystunt

Following the money will lead you straight to Big Oil and all the resources they pump into disinfo about climate change. They have by far the most to lose if they can't keep their stranglehold on the world's energy production.

This is a great point. If deniers would actually practiced what they preached and literally followed the money, they'd be in for a HUGE surprise.

Following the money would lead you to a whole lot more than Big Oil, they do not even need to pump disinfo as you say they are, the so-called scientists you trust are doing it all on their own with constantly incomplete and bizarrely hidden source data that never matches what we see on the ground, in the air etc.

Bla bla bla Big Oil, a whole lot more is invested in this Earth than BIG OIL, and the bad mouthing of OIL sure hides the rest of the worlds scum and corruptions.....you know, those things you DON'T believe exist.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: TheBulk

Does it matter if one believes in climate change or not? We still have to reduce pollution, stop overpopulating the world and destroying natural habitats, change torturous factory farming practices, stop over induldging, and basically reduce humanity's destruction of the planet.

There is no right or left politics regarding these issues.

If anything, it's the right that so often dismisses anything mentioned above by using the excuse of "leftist propoganda".

Obviously it does matter, it keeps all of these so-called do gooders and seers of the truth from actually focusing on doing anything productive, takes away blame from those who ACTUALLY hold back all technologies and truths, and tries to make it look like everyday average joe and the greed from within is the only thing to blame....

#WASTE OF OUR TIME.

How old is Earth?

1,000 years ain't long enough to make any kind of assertion of what is really happening!

In the 70's the same kind of nuts were trying to convince me we were entering an ice age, (which more evidence still suggests towards)

THE SUN CONTROLS EARTH'S TEMPERATURE

This should be common sense at this point.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Even with all the secrets, withheld technology, and various corruption; the regular joe still has to help make the earth better.

In face, I'd argue that the everyday joe is partly to blame. The everyday joe often looks the other way or contributes to pollution, over-indulgence, and various unethical practices.

I think we should know by now, that the government isn't just going to suddenly come clean and honest. Then again, the majority of humanity won't just start changing their lifestyle.

So, whats the solution?

Derivative ... You just made that word up.

We're coming out of an Ice Age, so does a temp increase shock anyone>

I have noticed the heat has risen we have had much milder winters the last three years over here in the UK . I get horrendous arthritis but haven't had it in winter the last two years. Where does it end ? its creepy to think ? I did enjoy the articles you shared S&F ! thanks

I think the warmist will shoot themselves in the foot with the warmest year on record crap, year after year. When the author of linked article "Nasa: Earth is warming at a pace 'unprecedented in 1,000 years" Gavin Schmidt was asked if according to their theories wasn't the troposphere suppose to be warming faster than the Earth’s surface. His answer was YES here

But NOAA's own data on troposhere shows no such warming


Link

The fact that the troposhere isn't warming with increased CO2 levels is a direct contradiction to radiative forcing, Once CO2 has absorbed 100% of its frequency bands it can no longer attribute to global warming regardless if its 500ppm or 10,000 ppm.

a reply to: dingdongdoodah

If you look long term climate history of uk you will find decades of unusual hot temperatures followed by unusual cold spells to widespread floods across england. all before CO2 from industrial age increased (IPCC says 1750). here

originally posted by: Signals

THE SUN CONTROLS EARTH'S TEMPERATURE

This should be common sense at this point.

So, explain this then;

We are at a period of solar minimum - activity on the sun is very low. The last solar maximum was very disappointing.

Yet average temperatures on the planet are increasing.

Sun goes blank agan in 2016

Maybe there is no correlation between the sun and our warming trend after all.....

originally posted by: IridiumFlareMadness
Derivative ... You just made that word up.

Lol. Derivative

Something is being done about it. Mankind has begun its fight with each other over resources and mass migrations. Land that is not in a desert, flood, war zones will be the magnet. Immigration laws and walls wont be able to stop the flood. Too late.

originally posted by: MOMof3
Something is being done about it. Mankind has begun its fight with each other over resources and mass migrations. Land that is not in a desert, flood, war zones will be the magnet. Immigration laws and walls wont be able to stop the flood. Too late.

You have had a peek behind the curtain huh.

This is 100% true. Most people do not even know or care that the Arab spring was largely caused by high food prices which were in turn caused by shortages in those ME countries.

Check out this frightening documentary. If we think food is our only problem, think again. It gets worse than that.

a reply to: IridiumFlareMadness

No, he's not making it up. The derivative is a measure of change.

He's just misusing it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

TheRedneck

originally posted by: cleverhans
I don't visit ATS much anymore, and it's threads like these that remind me why.
It is members like yourself who thrive on fear mongering and belittling mankind, who continue lower the standards of a once great open-minded thriving site. Bravo.

This, right here.

I get disappointed in myself every time I get caught up in these ridiculous threads, but like the site's tagline says, we need to deny ignorance, and if I ignore it, that's really form of passive acceptance of the stuff being typed in the OP. Maybe I'm just a sucker for a debate (well, for being belittled in a one-sided argument, as the case may be here), but I can't ignore such blatant disregard for common-sense approaches to subject matter--no matter what the subject may be.

But I feel your pain, regardless.

I believe ...

The use of fossil fuels is a major contributer to climate change

It is time to introduce clean forms of energy

Most people are in a dis connect from the Earth ...
The way of the Earth is little understand or ignored
What occurs in one location on Earth can affect what occurs in a further flung corner of Earth

We need to take responsibility and use our purchasing power to change the way large corporations act

The soil of Earth is gradually being degraded also through use of artificial pesticides and fertilizers
There are so many issues
No use blaming others we all need to take responsiblity and learn to deny ourselves our wants/pleasures for the benefit of the future all

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The part that scares the bejeezus out of me personally is all the methane in Siberia.

We're now seeing rapid venting of it as the permafrost melts.

www.techinsider.io...

Methane is 30 times thirty times more potent a heat trapping gas than CO2. Things are going to become exponentially worse.

Here is what I truly don't get. People realize that at one point, our planet had 0 ices caps and the planet was much warmer with areas that are now miles under ice, part of a massive tropical rain forest.

www.bas.ac.uk...

Our planet has gone through various cycles of life with massive ice ages to massive warming and yet, humans have had a mere 6,000 year impact (actually only a 500 year significant impact).

And over the last 100 years where we weren't such good stewards of this planet, we've improved exponentially over the last 50 years. In 1969 the Cuyahoga River self combusted from all the pollution we dumped into that river. It looked like the river would be a dead river as we contaminated the bajesus out of it. Yet, today... you can swim in the river as it's been cleaned and we no longer dump contaminates into it.

woodstockwhisperer.info...

We are still working on our stewardship of the planet but to say we have gotten worse would be an absolute lie as every nation (even India and China has worked on improvements even though they are still a mess) has made huge attempts to clean and take care of our planet.

Where I live (Denver), in the 80's, most days you could not even see the mountains and there was trash everywhere. Now the mountains are as clear as ever and trash, still a problem, but nothing like it was some 30 years ago. Most biways are cleaner than they have ever been. Car's are cleaner than they every been. Most everything we use (electronics) are more efficient than ever.

We think we are experts on our surroundings, but we are still in our infancy of understanding out planet and what impact our surrounding solar system has on our local environment.

a reply to: Bearack

I agree that air quality has been much improved across the nation. But, it almost seems that the poisons have been diverted to the water sources now. Like West Virginia and Flint, MI and numerous other reports of chemicals in water resources. Then the free running waters of the west, so many have been turned into still water with dams, all man made.

a reply to: MOMof3

It's not that they are new, but more so enlightened. Flint and many other cities have historically used lead pipes for water. It was the means of how Flint change the flow that forces contaminants (rocks and such) into the piping that then caused an massive increase of lead into the water.

Denver has now started going in and changing their old water infrastructure to new as Flint was an eye opening event for many major metropolitan cities.

denver.cbslocal.com...

Now the one thing we need to fix, however, is that massive cesspool of debris field in both the Atlantic and Pacific ocean. This is fixable, we just need to put more attention to it.

response.restoration.noaa.gov...


Granted, there are already a good start but no where near the level we need to be at.

www.theoceancleanup.com...