SETI and the Big question

a reply to: Blue Shift

I feel it's very possible given our current level of accelerated technical development. We are making huge strides and the pace does not seem to be slowing anytime soon.

I seriously think we are about to make several tremendous breakthroughs relatively soon.

I know, I'm being optimistic.

I love this topic because it just presents so many unknowns. I mean we can only search for life the only way we know how and what we are accustomed to. I do believe that this same concept limits what we should be looking at...for now anyways. Once we discover life, on the micro side, on other planets and their environment I think we'll be able to expand on that.

I also believe that us humans species are out there. For whatever reason we were seeded here on Earth and what's to say that same seeding hasn't occurred on millions of other planets. The evolution of that seed may have changed depending on the environment but the seed it came from is not. Unfortunately, while we live in good times, I'm going to need to reincarnate at a time a long ways from ours to see other life.

a reply to: HawkeyeNation

"More Humans" out there?

Yes, I think the numbers supporting that are possible.

I'm open to that and not just that there are more but that they may have preceded our own development.

I always reflect on....


“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”

― Arthur C. Clarke

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: Blue Shift
I feel it's very possible given our current level of accelerated technical development. We are making huge strides and the pace does not seem to be slowing anytime soon.
I seriously think we are about to make several tremendous breakthroughs relatively soon.
I know, I'm being optimistic.

Hey, it could happen. All it takes is somebody having a brilliant idea -- using living bacteria in a detector to test for morphic resonance fields? -- and we're all off to the races again.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: HawkeyeNation
"More Humans" out there? Yes, I think the numbers supporting that are possible.
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I'm open to that and not just that there are more but that they may have preceded our own development.

Humans from the future, zooming around the universe. Past, future... it's all the same once you detach yourself from normal spacetime.

Did we ever search for an ant that we could actually communicate with , so we could tell that ant that we make submarine ships and travel beyond their way of understanding ?

I find it humorous that scientists and people in general feel that life has to live on some type of a body. Life can just float and swim through space the same way fish swim the ocean.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: SLAYER69

What you forget with these astronomical numbers is, that Earth has a few pretty unique circumstances, which allowed her to host life.
The right distance to the sun.
Our bodyguards like Jupiter etc
The moon giving us seasons
The electro magnetic field creating our atmosphere
Still the right asteroids and comets making their way through crashing to accumulate the right amount of the proper elements

So you can definitely scratch a few thousand zeros from that number.

But I am still hoping too that maybe one day... just find it extremely unlikely. Earth is a miracle, if you take all of the above into account. We indeed did win a lottery. 1:300,000,000,000

I heard a theory recently that there may be infinite Universes
as well. Laid out like bubbles in a bathtub. So many in fact
it's theorized there is an exact copy of you out there.
Perhaps both God and Zeros are the infinite power.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
I heard a theory recently that there may be infinite Universes
as well. Laid out like bubbles in a bathtub. So many in fact
it's theorized there is an exact copy of you out there.

Maybe. But then again, why am I only experiencing this one? And if I'm not experiencing the others, do they matter?

Sometimes I start to think that evolutionary communication departs from ancient communication and that we only can achieve linear communication with species that are on the same level as we do.

We hear allot about supposed alien species that do not verbally communicate anymore but do it telepathically.
If telepathy really exists then is could be done over very great distances IMO and without words but with images.
So to me, it only answers the question that they aren't traceable the way we think we would find them.

So find a way to really communicate telepathically and you probably hear them all around you ...

Instead of "Beating around the bush" this is what I believe to be true

At the birth of Humanity ... evolved souls from other star systems were present as guides for the new beings which are Humanity

Evolved souls have always been present upon the Earth in Human form
Earth for Humanity is the starting point to evolving into the true realms of soul


Not evolving as in Darwinism but in handling the substances they encounter
All is substance ... even thought or the soul is made of something

Humanity is given free choice ... you can care or not care ... and all are allowed to evolve at their own pace so to speak

In truth there are no Aliens only souls ... the physical shape may vary but all are beings of the Universe all are family just as all Humanity is family if somewhat disfunctional
The first step is recognising that Humanity is one species and as such each is important for the survival of Humanity as a whole ...

Messengers have always visited to bring new ideas and guide others to the Light
Mostly their words are twisted to a way of religion by those who wish for power over their fellow beings

a reply to: SLAYER69

AHA! Intelligent conversation is so rare these days!!!

Nice OP Slayer.

There isn't a single thing in our observable universe that nature has done only once.

That leads me to believe that there is alien life out there.

It may not be life like ours - it is theorized that silicone and ammonia based life forms are possible and as for "normal" carbon based life insectoid, aquatic based and reptilian intelligence may well be the way to go (the dinosaurs were evolving that way until the asteroid wiped them out). Almost any animal type with a predatory/high survivability instinct, comparatively large brain (or mass consciousness/hive mind) and a means to manipulate objects could theoretically evolve over time given the right circumstance.

Our "unique" circumstances on Earth suit us, but lets not forget that the habitable zone we need may not be the same for life elsewhere - who knows whats out in the seas of Titan or under the ice on Europa? - and if there is simple life there, then there may be complex life in similar circumstances elsewhere.

And then there is the possibility of self replicating machine life, that doesn't need any of those precursors (but may have needed an initial "organic" component) - we don't even consider that generally but human evolutionary paths are now pushing towards that direction (we will either create it, or become it)

They are out there. Its not a question of if, its a question of when.

a reply to: 0bserver1

That gets me thinking of Dolphins and how they have great echo location. If a specie were to evolve to a point where they were able to transmit at a much higher or lower frequencies that's inaudible to us wouldn't that seem to us as if it's a form of telepathy?

Also, We ourselves are just beginning the whole Gene/DNA exploration. For all we know they may have altered their own eons ago to have both receivers and transmitters organically grown within their brains. Either that or they just somehow evolved to that point naturally.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Dolphins are a good example of starting or exploring other ways of communication. Almost every species from the same race on planet earth can communicate with each other either advanced or primitive, but none of those species understands the other.

Let me tell you a story :

I once had a wasp trapped behind my window. At first, I wanted to kill the wasp because I was afraid he might sting me, but then I noticed he was dehydrated and I felt compassion for a species I sometimes rather kill than to help it.

So I prepared some sugar water so he could drink from it , and strengthen so I could open the window and release the wasp . I did , I opened the window after he had strengthened from drinking the sugar water and then he took off , but to my surprise, he made a curve and turned around back inside my room .

I reached out my arm " still scared he might sting me " but I thought hell , I helped him and he came back .

The wasp landed on my arm and sat there still looking at me, and I looked at him . For the first time in my life I got goosebumps from a wasp in this weird event and was dumbstruck by this happening , he then flew out of the window to never see that wasp again...

Did I communicate unconsciously by compassion , or was it just pure coincidence ?

I like to believe I'd made contact with a wasp that thanked me for saving his life.

I think we are a long way communicating with other alien species , and if we do not start studying and uplifting the animal language barrier so that we can communicate with some of our earthly species over here , it's going to be very difficult to communicate with aliens from another star system.

Found this articule in the Observer. It claims that a very strange signal has been detected and its a real possible contender of a genuine ET or unnatural signal emanating from a 6.3 billion year old star only 95 light years away from earth.

Was detected in 2015 by some Russians but now it has surfaced again as a real case for further study and investigation .

An international team of scientists from the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) is investigating mysterious signal spikes emitting from a 6.3-billion-year-old star in the constellation Hercules—95 light years away from Earth. The implications are extraordinary and point to the possibility of a civilisation far more advanced than our own. The unusual signal was originally detected on May 15, 2015, by the Russian Academy of Science-operated RATAN-600 radio telescope in Zelenchukskaya, Russia, but was kept secret from the international community. Interstellar space reporter Paul Gilster broke the story after the researchers quietly circulated a paper announcing the detection of “a strong signal in the direction of HD164595.”

observer.com...

originally posted by: artistpoet
Messengers have always visited to bring new ideas and guide others to the Light
Mostly their words are twisted to a way of religion by those who wish for power over their fellow beings.

That seems unnecessarily complicated.

I and a couple family members have seen craft and creatures so I know for a definite fact we are far from alone in the universe.
Once you have seen crazy stuff there is no going back.

originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: SLAYER69

AHA! Intelligent conversation is so rare these days!!!

Nice OP Slayer.

There isn't a single thing in our observable universe that nature has done only once.

That leads me to believe that there is alien life out there.

It may not be life like ours - it is theorized that silicone and ammonia based life forms are possible and as for "normal" carbon based life insectoid, aquatic based and reptilian intelligence may well be the way to go (the dinosaurs were evolving that way until the asteroid wiped them out). Almost any animal type with a predatory/high survivability instinct, comparatively large brain (or mass consciousness/hive mind) and a means to manipulate objects could theoretically evolve over time given the right circumstance.

Our "unique" circumstances on Earth suit us, but lets not forget that the habitable zone we need may not be the same for life elsewhere - who knows whats out in the seas of Titan or under the ice on Europa? - and if there is simple life there, then there may be complex life in similar circumstances elsewhere.

And then there is the possibility of self replicating machine life, that doesn't need any of those precursors (but may have needed an initial "organic" component) - we don't even consider that generally but human evolutionary paths are now pushing towards that direction (we will either create it, or become it)

They are out there. Its not a question of if, its a question of when.

Our former dinosaurs were warm blooded [though having a different kind of warm blooded systems than mammals] --- not cold blooded reptiles --- Which brings us to the possibility in the existence of highly intelligent warm blooded dinosauroid humanoids on star systems other then our own.

May be something already passed this way billions of years ago like in the movie Prometheus or a Von Numan type machine but with the way we treat apes/monkies who are only 1 % different from humans ,Chances are we could be the bush meat or in a cage getting products tested on us .

Maybe that is where all the missing folk on the planet go each year freeze dried for the flight back home

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
I and a couple family members have seen craft and creatures so I know for a definite fact we are far from alone in the universe.
Once you have seen crazy stuff there is no going back.

Intriguing - thanks NCA, - but, if you would be so kind: how could you be so certain that what you saw was proof that "...we are far from alone in the universe"?

Is it completely impossible that the craft you saw could have actually been from our own planet, from the future (or past), from another dimension, from another universe entirely that is not our own, an apparition, a craft piloted by robotics and not 'life' whatsoever, an illusion (intentional or otherwise), "one of our own" black projects, etc?

I would pay dearly for just one witness (and I acquiesce there are multitudes) to satisfactorily explain HOW they could be so certain that what they saw was, as you claim, a "definite fact". Did you shake hands with an alien being? Did they speak to you? Can you at least please describe your "creatures" for us? What made your observation a "definite fact"?

You see, assuming that you mean a "definite fact" is proof positive, your simply stating it as such is not, and has not been, with apologies, proof enough for me (and for not just a few others, it seems). And I state that with all due respect. Consequently, and infuriatingly, then, your "facts" must thus remain your own.

HOW DO YOU KNOW that what you saw = alien life?