Hillary goes full Kung-Fu Panderer on twitter, alt-right under attack.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Oh, here we go with the semantic merry-go-round.

I didn't pretend my words were yours. I summarized YOUR response with MY words.

You gave links which do demonstrate things. You gave nothing which proves that Soros/MoveOn/Ayers had anything to do with the violent actions ENCOURAGED FROM THE PODIUM BY DJT starting in OCTOBER 2015.

By the way, I anticipated that you were actually commenting from your "BLM Protest" page ... and there you are.

No, I'm not a fool, but you are utterly, fundamentally incorrect in your belief that I agree with you. You're presenting yourself here as a Donald Trump worshipper and to your credit you were on-board early with that.

You and I, particularly in that regard have NOTHING in common.

If worship is stating facts and correcting emotionally led lies, then sure, sign me up. I'd rather that than peddle hysteria and hate (I'm not directing that at you).

You haven't convinced me though - no sane or rational person thinks that the protests were anything but organised from the very start.

This is considered to be the best list of what the alt right is, as agreed to by other alt righters.

The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.

The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.

The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.

The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.

The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.

The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.

The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples.

The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.

The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.

The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade. T

he Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.

The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

What is the major differences between it and traditional conservativism? It does not cower to political correctness. The worst thing hillary could do for herself is make people search out what it is causing a subset to join it.
The major problem for lefties is that the alt-right is two fold. First, It is in large part data driven to its conclusions, usually from government data, and second this group is full of meme magic.
It is a reaction to multiculturalism and the destruction of western culture.

a reply to: jellyrev

Doesn't sound like much wrong wth that.

a reply to: UKTruth

Wellllll.....

The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

edit: copy-pasted the wrong paragraph quote the first time

That bit there is sort of the basis of Neoconservatism & American Imperialism.

Also, US & European Exceptionalism, concepts that easily can become twisted into rationalizations of tribalism. That could be worded better. But take the EU, where European Exceptionalism was the basis of the European sub-region of Eurasia being classified as an actual separate "continent", which over time was twisted in various ways that resulted into the creation of this 'United States of Europe' thing (the EU). Which played into the hands of the globalists, that led to an open borders policy allowing in endless unchecked droves of Middle Easterners (including ISIS 'drones'). Now, despite the whole social experiment being a disaster, any detractors are labeled racist xenophobes.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: UKTruth

Wellllll.....

The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

That bit there is sort of the basis of Neoconservatism & American Imperialism.

Also, US & European Exceptionalism, concepts that easily can become twisted into rationalizations of tribalism. That could be worded better. But take the EU, where European Exceptionalism was the basis of the European sub-region of Eurasia being classified as an actual separate "continent", which over time was twisted in various ways that resulted into the creation of this 'United States of Europe' thing (the EU). Which played into the hands of the globalists, that led to an open borders policy allowing in endless unchecked droves of Middle Easterners (including ISIS 'drones'). Now, despite the whole social experiment being a disaster, any detractors are labeled racist xenphobes.

In today's oversensitive world I can see how some of the language could be turned into something else, yes. When I read it, it sounds reasonable. I always stop and think about the push for multiculturalism by flooding nation states with multiple cultures - the end point of that is the world full of the same people and cultures. i.e. the death of multiculturism.

a reply to: UKTruth

Crap! I hastily copy-pasted the wrong paragraph. This is the one I intended:

The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

No one is truly racist. Prejudice and stereotyping yes. 2 different animals.

The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

To me the Graeco-Roman legacy is the story of EMPIRE. It's the story where the period between its collapse and the period just before colonialism is known as the "dark ages" (the period when there was a general lack of empire in the region or being perpetrated outward from it). Colonialism tapered off just as the 19th Century came about, and in no time war went global scale via industrialization & mass communications. During the WW's the Middle Eastern map was drawn up. Following that the Cold War (which to me was WW3) battle of the last 2 remaining "superpowers" (EMPIRES). During that Middle Easterners were used as proxy wars pawns, and their governments meddled with, dictatorship puppet regimes coddled, Islam deliberately radicalized (CIA) in such pursuits. Soviet Union finally loses, but now the industrial war economy and perpetual wars the norm so new wars had to be invented / encouraged / etc (sure enough in and around the Middle East (including the Balkan's). Flowing from that trend comes 9/11, which regardless of opinions and what REALLY happened (which few people alive probably KNOW the real, entire TRUTH) Clinton's CIA used Al Qaeda in the Balkan's right up into 2000. "Bush" could of stopped it but instead they bent over backwards to allow it to go on, to put it nicely, although the hijackers surely were acting out against American Imperialism over their homeland. New wars invented following that. Now comes Obama / Hillary to take all of this previous work and "allow" ISIS to form (to put it nicely).

All in the name of the Graeco-Roman legacy.

Meanwhile, over in Europe the exceptionalism turned tribalism turned globalism became the perfect conduit for the perpetual disaster of a Middle East to flow out unchecked into and across the EU, and now we have what is to me a bonafide World War 4. Oh, then the last part or rather the first one on my list is how a Christian National Identity only further instigates & infuriates & radicalizes the Muslims.

So I actually like most of what that little primer there listed. BUT, what I pointed out above um no, and statements like "we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children" ensures the PC maniacs will go wild with racist labeling, and that it will be somewhat warranted as that can be expected to bring the real racists into the camp. It also is loaded other pitfalls such as rights being set up based on social groups (the same crap the SJW's are about).

It mentions being a alternative to libertarianism, which suggests a 'solution' to it might be warranted. I argue it's mostly good, except this OPEN borders sentiment Gary Johnson is running with (which I never had the impression Mike Badnarik nor Ron Paul were ever in this camp). The flip side is the general 'social agnostic' approach libertarianism maintains, that all persons are endowed with rights as individuals NOT based on what group they were born into or adhere to (yes, equal rights). And that part right there destroys the foundation of all this PC / SJW movements justifications / rhetoric / etc, and that's why I call it the ultimate nemesis to that whole movement.

Removing all of the uglies / pitfalls / FAILS / etc from all of the above, give everyone equal rights and everyone protected by discrimination laws, cut out the Nazi'esque Identity Politics, get all of this bickering out of the national/international dialogs, and now everyone can unite and focus on the "TPTB" and the failed policies they force upon us ALL that they / their policies are screwing ALL of us just about the same in this era.

All of this political and social imperialism above,the arguing over equality and such, all its brought us ALL is an 'equality' in getting screwed by the system (the REAL "Patriarchy") more or less equally, except now the PC's found themselves rationalized in bringing about this new trend where white commoners are to be targeted on the social level (to balance the 'getting screwed equality' concept I'm just getting at here), and next in defensive response comes this alt-right ensuring a perpetual 'war' between PC's/AR's is all we can look forward to (while forever diverting the masses away from focusing on "TPTB"). It all has to STOP, and yes that includes globalization which in practice becomes yet more political imperialism (which PC is supposedly against).

We're all mixed together now and what's done is done. Either we melt together or we boil into dust. Let stop the bickering, the thought policing, and let everybody do their thing as long as it doesn't hurt others or others property (a core libertarian tenet), and unless people are out ACTUALLY oppressing people then let people be whether they are dumb or a racist or a unicorn people need to stop with all the social imperialism. Let people be who they want to be, do what they want to do except for when it overtly harms others (and I'm not talking about your crybaby trigger warning safe space crap PC people GROW A PAIR). Otherwise kiss the species goodbye this century everyone, because technology is already poised any day now to run over humanity like a runaway freight train crashing into a termite mound.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The problem is that for most of the alt right they have lost faith in people changing. A lot were probably libertarians but over time seen that cultures change very slowly, that certain cultures have certain outcomes. They then concluded that they do not want to be around cultures with those outcomes. They also realized that these cultures have the right to vote and will vote in a way coerces them.
Hence

The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.

It is the libertarian who is on the offense before immigration pushes the voting demographic away from libertarian ideals forever.

originally posted by: Annee

Let's be clear where "Alt-Right" came from.

Yes, the term exists prior to this election, but Clinton's team have taken it and worked it into a broader term to slap onto opponents.

And tactically there's nothing wrong with that. Both sides do the same thing. "Social Justice Warrior" is another good example of using labels to demonise a group.