President of Philippines to UN - I don't give a [snip] about your repercussions

a reply to: Puppylove
I see people killing in the Philippines.
I don't see people dying. Willingly, anyway. Which ones are doing that?

a reply to: Puppylove

It surely is their duty but, expecting any one man to do it isn't really doing their duty. They are just shrugging their duty.

a reply to: Phage

You don't actually see anything. Neither do I really. We see what the media tells us. Ask the people actually there living it what they see. Or don't, up to you, in the end we're both just observers from not only outside, but WAY outside.

I also know the media is full of propaganda backed by special interested that desire to maintain the status quo of corruption. So when listening to the media's portrayal of the situation I keep that in mind. They aren't exactly unbiased agenda-less sources.

a reply to: Puppylove

Oh.
I was under the impression that you are in the Philippines and a supporter of the government.
My mistake.

a reply to: daskakik

Is it really one man though? It's not like he's some super bad ass running around beating everyone up all by his lonesome.

originally posted by: bijouramov
And the disturbance causedd by a dangerous drug in these abusers's lives is the fault of law abiding citizens? Is that what you're saying?

No, what I posted was to highlight that any disturbance in their lives due to drugs does not give anyone the right to bring further disturbance.

originally posted by: bijouramov
Who are being denied due process?

Those being killed without a trial. That is what due process means.

a reply to: Puppylove

That seems to be the expectation. Why couldn't they do the same if he wasn't elected? What kept them from killing those who were oppressing them for decades? Did this man being elected change things that much?

a reply to: Phage

Nope, just an observer like you trying to understand it and make sense of it.

In the end, it's possible we're both completely wrong and the truth is something neither of us even thought of.

I just know it seems a lot of people seem to support him, most notably the people who voted him in.

I tend to be a person of the common man, so I'm biased from that perspective. I'll admit it. I don't trust our current government to have my best interest anymore than I do an ax murderer. So there's the bias I'm starting from.

I could be completely wrong, but so could you. Both sides of the equation deserve their voice, right? It's what discussions are for. To compare perspectives, see other angles, and move on from there to get a more full picture by seeing other sides.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Phage


I mean really, let's say he gets rid of all the corrupt politicians. The dealers will still be brutal criminals. Say he makes drugs legal, the dealers aren't going to suddenly turn into legitimate business men, they didn't get into the business cause they believe people deserve drugs. They did it cause it was lucrative. Once legal, they'll still want more.

Yet again I will chim in as one of the only people here that actually lives in the Philippines....

Indeed, my argument has been if it is legal the dealers would move onto something else but I have said this a few times during the thread...

Second regarding prostitution, the whole racket was held up and tolerated by corrupted Police officers the country over, very well know within the Philippines that if caught you pay the "release fee" or just pay off the local Police chief and job done..

The number of Police officers that have been suspended or set to Mindanao for their corruption is quite shocking,

pinoytrending.altervista.org...

Another scam regarding Prostitution was to get a foreigner at a bar to hook up with a underage girl who would obviously state and look over 18+, they go to a room and next minute the Police have a Raid, of course it is a setup and at that point Jonny foreigner is being told he now faces life in prison for child sex offences.. The Police then offer a way out that normally involves hideous amounts of cash being turned over..

Boracay just had a big drug and prostitution raid I think about a week ago that involved a number of expats from Taiwan and China.

newsinfo.inquirer.net...

The Philippines however is way more conservative than many places in Asia regarding prostitution, Thailand comes to mind where Sex is for sale everywhere but I honestly think that if the Police are allowed to carry out their duty without the corruption within their ranks then it will be taken care of.. I live fairly rural but I am constantly in a location that is highly populated and has a large number of tourist traffic per year and I am yet to hear about any "red light area" and out of curiousness I have asked but I am always told only in Boracay which is the world renowned Beach resort that is about 40 minutes drive away, which makes sense..

I will also put down what is my personal experience between what I have seen with drug users and then dealers.. I have a large modern clinic about 30 seconds from where I am staying and there have been a steady stream of Police pick ups and vans arriving their the last few months with people that are taken for treatment for Shabu addiction.

I believe the wanted actions where always that users get help, dealers hand yourself in..

I am not sure how this all ties in but I am aware that the Philippines has a Bounty hunting law, one of the only countries in the world along with the US I believe???... I have heard locally that the Police have said that a known dealer has had a bounty put on his head, if that means all the "non" Police take downs are via these means I do not know but I thought it was note worthy for the discussion..


I really hope the member/members that have stated they will be here soon will post up their honest experience of what they think of the Philippines be it good or bad...


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a reply to: Puppylove

I'll admit it. I don't trust our current government to have my best interest anymore than I do an ax murderer. So there's the bias I'm starting from.

And that government was elected? Right?

a reply to: daskakik

I'll admit it's an odd, new situation. First time I'm aware of where it was the people and their countries leader vs. the corrupt government stuck in the middle.

Then again, they say the best most efficient government is one ruled by a benevolent dictator.

Problem is, that requires assuming Duerte is a benevolent dictator. I'm not convinced.

a reply to: slider1982

In the US bounty hunting does not involve murder. It is mostly about apprehending fugitives who have jumped bail.

a No, what I posted was to highlight that any disturbance in their lives due to drugs does not give anyone the right to bring further disturbance.reply to: daskakik

What kind of disturbance?


And if these abusers (strictly users not peddling or both) start to bring "disturbance" to law abiding citizens, what then do you propose to do to them?

Please bear in mind that when I say disturbance to law abiding citizens I do not mean stealing a delicious apple pie on your window sill. We're talking about murder, rape, armed robbery, kidnapping...

What do you propose in a situation like that?

a reply to: Phage

That's a very complex issue. I'll answer with sorta and leave it at agree to disagree before going into that complex cluster# of an issue. I do not have emotional and mental stamina to tackle that. The election process requires tackling literally every underhanded aspect of it. Just thinking about trying to tackle it fills me with despair and hopelessness.

a reply to: Puppylove
But you seem to think that the electoral process in the Philippines is valid. Even though the elected President completly disregards the Constitution and makes murder, not just legal, but something to be rewarded.

Too bad the US isn't like that, huh?

a reply to: daskakik

Those being killed without a trial. That is what due process means.

1. Who are those being killed?

2. Who does the killings?

3. By using the word killings, are you pertaining to murder or self defense?

a reply to: bijouramov

1) Anyone who might be accused of being a drug dealer.
2) The police or anyone with a gun.
3) Murder.

Kill drug dealers and I'll give you a medal, says Philippines president

Open season. "Oh, he was a drug dealer all right. Trust me. Oh. He wasn't? Sorry."

Do I write things I cannot see??... Where did I say it did??

@Phage


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originally posted by: bijouramov
And if these abusers (strictly users not peddling or both) start to bring "disturbance" to law abiding citizens, what then do you propose to do to them?

I don't propose anything other than what your constitution proposes. It says that they deserve due process. This means a trial and if found guilty, they must face the penalty imposed by your laws.

If you start ignoring those laws then how can you feel morally correct when you are acting in the same way as they are?