Trump's Ignorant Pitch to Black Voters

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

What has he said about blacks? What racist statement has Donald Trump made that you should simply dismiss and act like you know better without facts.

Judge Curiel - Nothing here. Sorry, what he said made sense. I would ask a judge to recuse themselves. It happens when 'blacks' do not want a white judge or jury. There are also numerous accounts of black judges admonishing whites. It is power they use in the wrong way.

Mexicans - He wants illegals not in the country. WTF is so hard about this? There are also many criminals coming over the border. Nothing here is racist.

Mrs Khan - Sorry, blame the husband. She is not even in the conversation since she did not say anything.

Arabs - Arabs? So, now we just group them all as Arabs like the 70's. There needs to be a better job and not simply letting in groups of unvetted people.

He has lost nothing. He still has his base and he is reaching out as he should be. He is not pandering he is telling them for the first time they have a choice. When was the last time this happened? Romeny could not do it...McCain got 1% of the vote.

The GOP never talks to the black community because it is a given that the left gets the vote.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: yuppa

Wrong, dead wrong, not even close wrong, not even in the ball park!

Democrats keep the african americans in poverty and in a state of hopelessness. the cities they run are perfect examples. so no Im not wrong. How about post your reasons I am wrong instead of just a OP?

9 out of 10 of the poorest states are RED states.

www.politifact.com...

There are other factors as to why this may be the case which go beyond politics. The analyses overall is weak showing very little causality.

This is a bit like claiming that blue states are rich ignoring the structural industry factors that drive economic prosperity. For example, NYC is home to Wall Street, fashion, and advertising. Silicon Valley and Hollywood drive much of CA's economy. These areas are rich IN SPITE of liberals because capitalistic industries are deeply tied to the regions, not because of any liberal policies per se.

You also see this with poor states where broader economic issues affecting geographies tied to a single industry can create a lot statistical poverty during a down turn.

This article though does a good job of explaining some of the differences though in life in a "poor" red state vs a "rich" blue state.

Poor Red State vs Rich Blue State

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

He's 100% correct... Perhaps you can tell us what they have to lose by voting for Trump? Democrats have been good at keeping minorities dependent, nothing else.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
So many opinions about how black people live there lives with no facts as usual.

Durp durp durp democrats are the real racist, durp durp durp blacks are lazy people, free stuff for everyone.

I do enjoy this time of the year, it reminds me that even if we have evolved so far, some of us are still stuck in a racist world.

FYi i am an equal racist, i hate everyone the same.

You can help change that by voting for Trump.

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

He's 100% correct... Perhaps you can tell us what they have to lose by voting for Trump? Democrats have been good at keeping minorities dependent, nothing else.

How about instead of analyzing what blacks have to lose and hanging on a negative, how about telling us what blacks have to gain by voting for Trump? All he does is highlight how awful the Democrats have been to the black community. Well if he doesn't say what the Republicans will do instead, there is no point in switching over.

a reply to: Edumakated

A better way to illustrate this is to use a cost of living calculator. This one can show you how an area compares to yours in terms of what you would have to make there to have a comparable standard of living to what you currently enjoy. It also shows you what employers in a new area will pay relative to what you are also making to give you an idea of what to expect should you move.

It says the typical American family earned $53,657 last year. So let's use that as our benchmark.

According to Wikipedia, Texas is about the middle state in terms of wealth (as of 2014 anyhow). So let's say I live in Lubbock, Texas just because it's not the typical large metro everyone thinks of when they hear Texas and I make $53,657, the average household income for the entire US according to data. This should mean I am neither rich nor poor, but right in the middle.

So, let's say I move to Greenville, Mississippi, with Mississippi being the poorest state in the US and also a very red state. Cost of living according to this calculator is lower in Mississippi by 2.4%, so I would only have to make $52,356 in order to live the same kind of life that I was living in Texas. In other words, I could afford to actually get about $1,300/year poorer and still not notice an impact in my overall quality of life.

And, the calculator also notes, that if I did find a comparable job in Greenville, I would be likely to actually get paid about 13.2% to move there and do the same thing I was doing in Lubbock! So I would actually be far better off in a couple of ways.

Now, let's go the other way.

The same list says that Maryland is the wealthiest state, and it happens to be a blue state. The only option my calculator gives me for a move to Maryland is Baltimore. Great! Let's see what happens. The cost of living in Baltimore is 33.8% higher than it is in Lubbock, so in order to maintain my same standard of living, I would need to make $71,641. However, my cost of living calculator tells me that while employers will pay me much more to do what I currently do in Baltimore, they will only pay about 30.8% more, so I am only likely to be paid $70,158 for what I am currently doing. This makes for a shortfall of almost $1,500/year meaning that I would not be able to maintain my current standard of living.

I would fall short of the standard of living realized by an average income household.

So even though moving to a blue state makes me technically richer in terms of gross income, the cost of living actually would make me poorer overall.

Thanks for living the "Rich" State/"Poor" State Game!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Worst case scenario, they remain right where they're at. They'll already get that with Clinton. I've been hearing democrats for years saying that if Republicans want the black vote, they've got to get out and try to get it. I guess it shouldn't come as surprise that they flip the freak out when Republicans make that attempt. It's a great indicator that democrats aren't concerned about the black community wanting to better itself if it means voting Republican.

a reply to: LSU0408

Worst case scenario? No the worst case scenario is if they flip sides and the Republicans turn out to be FAR worse than the Democrats ever were for them. THAT'S the worst case scenario.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: yuppa

Wrong, dead wrong, not even close wrong, not even in the ball park!

Democrats keep the african americans in poverty and in a state of hopelessness. the cities they run are perfect examples. so no Im not wrong. How about post your reasons I am wrong instead of just a OP?

9 out of 10 of the poorest states are RED states.

www.politifact.com...

There are other factors as to why this may be the case which go beyond politics. The analyses overall is weak showing very little causality.

Yes, there are other factors.

Read all of the article I posted.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU0408

Worst case scenario? No the worst case scenario is if they flip sides and the Republicans turn out to be FAR worse than the Democrats ever were for them. THAT'S the worst case scenario.

But that's an easy worse case scenario to make with any politician no matter the party.

You're simply arguing based on pure fear with nothing to back it.

a reply to: LSU0408

The GOP made a concerted effort to get minorities into the Republican fold and they made some positive headway during "W" but they soon saw thru the BS and continued to favor the dembs. Obama solidified that move.

With Trumps promise to deport 8mil. Hispanics, the rest of the minorities saw that Trump is mainly appealing to racist white people and that scared them.

Trump has since backed down from that promise but it's much to late for that to save his election and now some even very conservative members see that Donald is just pandering, and doesn't mean anything he says.

His new "kinder and gentler approach" isn't working to win back moderates either.

And with out cross over moderates, Trump is gone. That's why I don't think he was ever all that serious about his campaign by mainly appealing to the Palin styled electorate.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: yuppa

Wrong, dead wrong, not even close wrong, not even in the ball park!

Democrats keep the african americans in poverty and in a state of hopelessness. the cities they run are perfect examples. so no Im not wrong. How about post your reasons I am wrong instead of just a OP?

9 out of 10 of the poorest states are RED states.

www.politifact.com...

There are other factors as to why this may be the case which go beyond politics. The analyses overall is weak showing very little causality.

Yes, there are other factors.

Read all of the article I posted.

Please read my analysis of why "poor" states aren't always as "poor" as they appear. I know it's long, but I did read yours. Your source even admits they didn't take cost of living into account.

a reply to: olaru12

They did not see through the BS. They voted for the black guy. Good for them. He 99% of the vote. 2012 he got 92%. I guess they are seeing through the DNC BS maybe?

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: yuppa

Wrong, dead wrong, not even close wrong, not even in the ball park!

Democrats keep the african americans in poverty and in a state of hopelessness. the cities they run are perfect examples. so no Im not wrong. How about post your reasons I am wrong instead of just a OP?

9 out of 10 of the poorest states are RED states.

www.politifact.com...

There are other factors as to why this may be the case which go beyond politics. The analyses overall is weak showing very little causality.

Yes, there are other factors.

Read all of the article I posted.

Please read my analysis of why "poor" states aren't always as "poor" as they appear. I know it's long, but I did read yours. Your source even admits they didn't take cost of living into account.

OK.

I'll re-read mine and read yours.

But, those states have consistently been in that position.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm always amazed at how the black community hasn't figured out politics.

Blacks vote something like 95% for Democrats. Democrats then ignore black issues because they know there is little to lose by doing so. At the same time, the knee jerk response is what are Republicans going to do for Black folks? The simple answer is nothing! If the black community doesn't vote for Republicans, why would Republican's bend over backwards for the black community once they are in office? The black vote didn't put them in office! This is politics 101.

I mean 95 out of 100 blacks vote for Democrats. Once a Republican is elected, the black community can't them start coming out the woodwork with hat in hand asking, "Well, what are you going to do for us?"

Then what kills me is the black community gets mad at Republicans for Democrat failures. If I hire two people and one guy charges me $95 and the other guy only charges me $5.00, but both of them don't do the job I hired them to do. Who am I going to be the most mad at? The guy that charged me $95! Yeah, the other guy didn't do the job either, but he only charged me $5.00 so it was at least expected for him to not deliver. But not black folks. No! We are more mad at the guy we paid $5.00, not the one who took our $95.00 and didn't do sh*t with it.

If the black community were smart, they'd have our vote up for grabs between the two parties. We'd have a simple platform that is important and make both parties fight for our vote.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: olaru12

They did not see through the BS. They voted for the black guy. Good for them. He 99% of the vote. 2012 he got 92%. I guess they are seeing through the DNC BS maybe?

What has happened is that when the Republicans try to appeal to minorities; they see thru the blatant pandering.

Be honest....the Republicans favor the wealthy not the American working man. It's not rocket science and that's why Donald will lose. It's why Romney lost, McCain, etc. Times have changed and the GOP has been completely unaware of what happened.

a reply to: Annee

Here's the thing: If I can live a comfortable life on less money than the national average, what does it matter? Basically, that is the point.

If the person living on the national average income move to Baltimore and needs to pull in almost $20K more per year in order to just break even in lifestyle, but at the same time aren't likely to do that because of employment patterns ... what's the point of making a lot more money than you are currently if you are actually having less disposable income for you family?!

Who in their right mind does that?

But it does pad national stats like rich state/poor state.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU0408

Worst case scenario? No the worst case scenario is if they flip sides and the Republicans turn out to be FAR worse than the Democrats ever were for them. THAT'S the worst case scenario.

How could it get any worse? Trump wants to make them independent so they can form their own opinion without being told what to think. Things could only get better voting Republican.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: olaru12

They did not see through the BS. They voted for the black guy. Good for them. He 99% of the vote. 2012 he got 92%. I guess they are seeing through the DNC BS maybe?

What has happened is that when the Republicans try to appeal to minorities; they see thru the blatant pandering.

Be honest....the Republicans favor the wealthy not the American working man. It's not rocket science and that's why Donald will lose. It's why Romney lost, McCain, etc. Times have changed and the GOP has been completely unaware of what happened.

Pandering? The Democrat's entire platform is based on pandering and handouts. Free this, free that. Pandering like how Hillary puts on a fake black/southern accent at a black church talking about "No ways tired?" That kind of pandering?

originally posted by: LSU0408


How could it get any worse? Trump wants to make them independent so they can form their own opinion without being told what to think. Things could only get better voting Republican.

You don't give the minorities much credit do you. They can think on their own and they can see that the GOP will continue to favor the wealthy just like they always have. And having an arrogant uber wealthy business man as the Republican standard bearer won't appeal to them.

He also doesn't appeal to most women, millennials, or working poor. Trump needs to change his strategy.....and fast.