Alien Life Is Now (Almost) Impossible to Deny

a reply to: BlackProject


Why are you inferring that the more planets there are, the higher the probability for "alien life"? Is that the correlation you're attempting to make in your opening post?

On ATS, there's only one member named "BlackProject". That's you. By your logic, if ATS grew to 100 billion members, there would be more than one named "BlackProject". Since ATS doesn't allow duplicate usernames, no matter how many sign-up, couldn't God likewise only allow one set of "Life" in the Galaxy..or Universe? No duplicates?

I certainly believe that there is loads more planets with life, not sure how many but definitely are and counting.

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement
a reply to: BlackProject

It seems to have intelligent life the main ingredient is time. We are lucky to have a Jupiter guardian to give us eons of stability. I wonder how many independent lifeforms have been wiped out before they get intelligent just because they don't have all the right mix of ingredients. I often wonder what life would be like on earth if it didn't have to overcome things we take for granted, like seasons. I wonder how much of an effect things like tidal forces from our moon have.

I love threads that make me think of the scope and variety of the universe.

It sure is time yes, considering scientist do mention humans in our form today have only been around 200,000 years that is a long time for humans to come to only be at the current stage we are at. Of course we have made remarkable breakthroughs but in terms of the grander scale, we are merely playing with lego bricks.

I think we will find out eventually that all life in the universe is not so different, that all life deals with all the same problems that we deal with on earth. Maybe on a grander scale or maybe even small, either way we are alike.

To think our earth is floating around with only, 7 Billion humans on it. We are a rare commodity of our own.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: BlackProject


Why are you inferring that the more planets there are, the higher the probability for "alien life"? Is that the correlation you're attempting to make in your opening post?

On ATS, there's only one member named "BlackProject". That's you. By your logic, if ATS grew to 100 billion members, there would be more than one named "BlackProject". Since ATS doesn't allow duplicate usernames, no matter how many sign-up, couldn't God likewise only allow one set of "Life" in the Galaxy..or Universe? No duplicates?

I was enjoying your analogy of signing up until you mentioned the 'only one sign up' rule. That does not apply to the universe does it.

We know right now, that other planets contain the very same materials that earth possesses too. 'Terrestrial planets' are planets that have the same building blocks as earth. Now not all will be right for our kind of life but life can exist without our mixture. On earth alone, there are fish that live in acid contaminated water. It would burn you or I to touch.

So yes, the more planets there are the more possibility of life. Even if you was to cut those number in half, in quarters... You still get millions of possible planets.

originally posted by: merka
Amount of planets with proven life: 1
Amount of planets with proven intelligent life on top of that: 1 (the amount of intelligence is arguable)

Statistically speaking, there is only life on 1 planet. It wont change until we prove life on a second planet.

which planet would that be that has intelligent life?

a reply to: schuyler

I was not proclaiming that because of statistics life must exist, rather that life must exist elsewhere as common sense.

Coming from humans that would once fear turning on a vacuum cleaner or use escalator or even a elevator. That being modern human, just shows you how fickle our minds are to trusting in our own progression. So to think about life elsewhere is not even close to some minds, however I do like to see peoples thoughts on the matter. Thus, my thread.

originally posted by: neutronflux
It's a tough universe. Mean galaxy.

From: www.astrobio.net...

Measurements of the galactic abundance of the isotope aluminum-26, which is a common by-product of type II supernovae, have allowed astronomers to ascertain that a supernova explodes on average once every 50 years. Meanwhile, previous studies have indicated that a supernova can have a deleterious effect on any habitable planet within 30 light years.

From: space.about.com...

You may be wondering, so what? What does this have to do with anything? Well, in order to satisfy the heavy element condition, you have to be reasonably close to the galactic center (i.e. not near the edge of the galaxy). Fair enough, there is still quite a lot of galaxy to choose from. But in order to avoid high energy radiation from nearly continuous supernovae you want to steer clear of the inner third of the galaxy.

Interesting links there friend. Specially regarding the supernovas. We should count our blessings then nothing at this point in time has come our way.

As I mentioned before, regarding life. Life can exist in many other forms then our goldilocks earth. Many animals, fish and bugs live in harsh conditions that we would otherwise die from. Yet we live on the same planet. So life elsewhere may not need what we require. Most probably, they certainly do not need what we require.

And this also begs so many questions. For example, what kind of life? I can see the headlines now. You know they'll be like this:

"Microbes found on Mars! Proof we're not alone!"

Yeah, so? I'd be surprised if microbes were NOT found on Mars, but I gain little solace knowing my alien friend, the microbe, proves we're "not alone." There's kind of a quality of life issue here. Face it. What we are REALLY interested in is intelligent life. And that's a mixed bag. It's kind of like Native Americans really hoping the Europeans will discover them. Be careful what you ask for.

Then there's the "speed of light" issue. Unless we are completely wrong, which is surely possible, that's a mighty vast and hostile ocean to cross. We can actually probably do it. A short day trip to Alpha Proxima might be possible with an Ion engine spacecraft. We'd better hope there is some O2 to breathe when we get there, but it's not outside the realm. Point is: unless there's a way to "break" or circumvent the Laws of Physics as we know them, like invent Warp Drive, we'll be limited to jaunts around the local neighborhood hoping to find another suitable rock, which we absolutely need to do before our Sun goes whacky on us.

So if there is a great interstellar civilization in the Andromeda Galaxy, I'm not sure it can affect our lives in any material or meaningful way.

a reply to: BlackProject

A new study by astrophysicist Avi Loeb suggests that we may be one of the very first life with planet intelligent enough to have this discussion, and that the Universe is just now becoming fruitful enough for more. That would make us the "Old Ones" then- the civilization that all the rest study as they come across our ancient technology. I think that's pretty cool.

motherboard.vice.com...

I'd still wager that there are many others out there, and I think it's only a matter of time before we know fo sho.

a reply to: BlackProject


I want there to be INTELLIGENT life cohabiting the Milky-Way with us simultaneously. Not just ferns, or even plankton.

Since scientists are always achieving new breakthroughs, shouldn't we have at least been able to scavenge up something...anything, to confirm that other intelligent life does exist, or even DID exist, somewhere besides Earth?

We have been visited for a long long time, and we are still being visited in my view and many others. I have heard estimates from some scientists who estimate the number of maybe 3,000 civilizations within the Milky Way. Could be way more, could be less. Just been way too many high ranking people within the government and the military over many many years, that have seen things that still, cannot be explained. For example the first sighting that came to my head was JAL sighting of smaller craft and a huge mothership craft over Anchorage Alaska. Sad the Pilot was reduced to desk work only after he talked about what they had seen, to the media, but is typical of the ufo sighting /reporting stigma,

originally posted by: darkspace
a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

Not to talk about if carbon based life, is the only kind of lifeforms that exists. we may have to redefine what life is as we learn more about the universe we currently inhabit

Mmm, as far as we can see, the Universe is composed of Galaxies, just like ours, filled with suns, just like ours, that warm their environments and produce liquid water, just like ours.

Fertile soil, awaiting a gardener to sow seed.

originally posted by: data5091We have been visited for a long long time, and we are still being visited in my view and many others.

Sure. Many people have seen something. And they are all not just "imaginative" people. But that begs the question. You can't say, "I saw something, therefore aliens from space." That's called jumping to conclusions. There have been thousand of sightings, but when you break them down, most of them are lights in the sky and not very useful. When you account for the many hoaxes, there is precious little out there. My biggest problem with them is the presumption of aliens from space. You cannot possibly know that for certain. The explanation for these sightings may not involve other planets at all.

Thanks to ATS, I now know aliens avoid us. I guess it will not change until we stop the barbaric practice of eating flesh. I guess it's all aliens that choose to hide from us until we change our diet.

Not sure why others are arguing that there isn't life on other planets around the universe?

OK not arguing but don't believe or don't want to?

We are here thus must be others, if we take a God being into account, he made all things, that will be infinite possibilities of all things...Ok fine we can't prove just yet others have life, that's only because we haven't the technology yet or its not powerful enough to reach far enough.

That said, I don't believe in impossibilities only that all things are possible, because we've proven that by just being here to begin with.

Shouldn't it be, if we exist others must to?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: BlackProject


Why are you inferring that the more planets there are, the higher the probability for "alien life"? Is that the correlation you're attempting to make in your opening post?

On ATS, there's only one member named "BlackProject". That's you. By your logic, if ATS grew to 100 billion members, there would be more than one named "BlackProject". Since ATS doesn't allow duplicate usernames, no matter how many sign-up, couldn't God likewise only allow one set of "Life" in the Galaxy..or Universe? No duplicates?

Sure he could. It is a probability. But correlation that the higher the number of planets, the higher the probability for alien life still stands.

Allow me to demonstrate, and let us just go with that it is God that sets the ratio of 'alive' to 'dead' planets. (and math really isn't science - sorry math - so math doesn't care)

It is possible that God only allows one set of life in the galaxy. I will give you that. But it is also possible that he does not. So either he allows only one planet with life or he allows more than one planet with life. Right?

Scenario A - only one planet with life allowed)
1)
There are 100 planets and God sets the ratio to 1 to infinity. The probability is zero that there are life on other planets
2)
There are 100 billion planets and God sets the ratio to 1 to infinity. The probability is zero that there are life on other planets


Scenario B - God allows more than one planet to have life)
1)
There are 100 planets and God sets the ratio to 1 to 1 billion. The probability is 1 - .999999999^100 or around 0.0000001
2)
There are 100 billion planets and God sets the ratio to 1 to 1 billion. The probability is 1 - .999999999^100000000000 or really, really, really, REALLY close to 1


Both scenarios are valid, but the more likely it is that God has a Rule of 1, the less likely it is that he does not.Let us account for that.

Let us say that the probability that God has set a one-planet limit is 0.5.
That then leaves a probability of 0.5 that he has not.

So we factor than in:

B1)
0.5 * 0.0000001 = 0.00000005
B2)
0.5 * 1 = 0.5

Of course the numbers are arbitrary, but see how the correlation is there even if we take into account the possibility that God might have limited the number of planets with life to 1?

originally posted by: DarkvsLight29 Not sure why others are arguing that there isn't life on other planets around the universe?

You, too, huh? My original question to the OP in this thread was WHO, exactly, argues that there is no life on other planets? And so far no one has come up with anyone. So why do people keep asking? NOBODY CLAIMS THAT! NOBODY SAYS THAT! So why do you keep claiming there are people who do? Like I said earlier, there may be a curmudgeon or two somewhere who claims that, but culturally speaking, it's a complete NON issue. Nobody claims that. Why do people feel inclined to say that they do?

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: DarkvsLight29 Not sure why others are arguing that there isn't life on other planets around the universe?

You, too, huh? My original question to the OP in this thread was WHO, exactly, argues that there is no life on other planets? And so far no one has come up with anyone. So why do people keep asking? NOBODY CLAIMS THAT! NOBODY SAYS THAT! So why do you keep claiming there are people who do? Like I said earlier, there may be a curmudgeon or two somewhere who claims that, but culturally speaking, it's a complete NON issue. Nobody claims that. Why do people feel inclined to say that they do?

Lol a little angry are we?

Ok to your question, it just seems people are about to argue, if you read my second part i said (ok not arguing).

originally posted by: DarkvsLight29

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: DarkvsLight29 Not sure why others are arguing that there isn't life on other planets around the universe?

You, too, huh? My original question to the OP in this thread was WHO, exactly, argues that there is no life on other planets? And so far no one has come up with anyone. So why do people keep asking? NOBODY CLAIMS THAT! NOBODY SAYS THAT! So why do you keep claiming there are people who do? Like I said earlier, there may be a curmudgeon or two somewhere who claims that, but culturally speaking, it's a complete NON issue. Nobody claims that. Why do people feel inclined to say that they do?

Lol a little angry are we?

Ok to your question, it just seems people are about to argue, if you read my second part i said (ok not arguing).

Sorry. I feel like people are not listening. The question was asked and answered, then people ask the very same question again and again in the same thread, not to mention the near weekly appearance of the same exact thread. The issue is over and done with. Where is the face palm emoji?

a reply to: BlackProject

Mathematically and probability are the same things used in poker, there is a royal flush in the deck somewhere, but until you see it. I suspect ATS is littered with this same type of OP. Every one of them is replied to in the same manner. Until there is an actual disclosure that takes place on the world stage and I mean this world there will be no way to prove other civilizations exist. Of course they do, but proclaiming it and proving are two vastly different things.

For me, I would like to see more emphasis on making this planet better, rather than worrying about what is out there.