The Fix Is In

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
It also happens when most of the things being slung are crap.

Much is not. Much of her failures are just that, failures. When looking at things like Whitewater, huge profits off of futures, Chinagate, Benghazi etc these were not just dreamed up out of thin air, so even if proof at the level of the law can not be achieved there is still truth in it all.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
See...this is what I don't get.
I don't see her as a particularly good role model for women at all.

Going back as far as her "standing by her man" when he done her wrong.

Need a first syndrome... People are going to vote for Hilary to achieve this no matter how bad she is. Same thing with Obama, no matter how inexperienced he was that didn't matter. Add in a large percent of America is very ignorant and could not tell you a single good or bad thing about any politicians.

a reply to: -Blackout-

From reading this thread over, it sounds like it's not so much a "FIX" that's going on in this election, but rather two very different people running against each other for the office of the president. And the people of the country, given the difficult job of choosing one, are deciding that one is more palatable than the other. Of course, that's not a complement to anyone.

Go into as much detail as you like about what Hillary has said and done or what Donald says or will do. But the bottom line is that the people of this country think what Donald Trump has said and done, and who Donald Trump is, is not acceptable as our president. And, in fact, could be very dangerous.

There is no "fix". That's just the excuse a loser uses.

Of course it's rigged, Hillary has billions of dollars of favors to render, and her benefactors don't play nice.

I'm consoling myself with the realization that both candidates are having to wear bullet-proof vests all the time they're out in public.

It's obvious, look at that shapeless bagtop Hillary wears and the way Donald moves on stage, like a puppet on a turntable.

Must be a tad bit worrisome wondering when you're going to be Kennedy'ed.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: olaru12

I agree. I think that Hillary is the worse possible Democratic candidate to place against a moderate Republican. If Bernie or Elizabeth Warren were the nominees, they'd will by an even bigger landslide (maybe Michelle Obama, too).

However, Repub's have completely rejected "compassionate conservatism" and doubled down on that by nominating the ultimate alienating candidate. I don't think Repubs could mend the fences with those other demographics even if they dumped Trump (not to mention that Trump's supporters still wouldn't want to work with us, anyway).

I hope you get her, enjoy...lol

I voted for Bernie in my State's primary because I don't like or trust her. But I'd still vote for her over Trump & the Repubs.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
See...this is what I don't get.
I don't see her as a particularly good role model for women at all.

Going back as far as her "standing by her man" when he done her wrong.

Need a first syndrome... People are going to vote for Hilary to achieve this no matter how bad she is. Same thing with Obama, no matter how inexperienced he was that didn't matter. Add in a large percent of America is very ignorant and could not tell you a single good or bad thing about any politicians.

As if Trump has more political experience than Obama or Hillary. LOL

Pres Obama was an elected Illinois State Senator and then an elected US Senator (like his eventual opponent Sen John McCain). And Hillary's been both the Secretary of State and an elected US Senator. Trump, on the other hand, has only been a failed presidential candidate for the Reform Party, having never won an election nor held a position in elected office. So how are Pres Obama and Hillary the inexperienced ones?

What has Donald Trump done to gain the support of Hispanics, African Americans, Muslims, Women and college educated people?

He has insulted them, called immigrants rapists and drug dealers, wants to ban Muslims from entering and says women should be punished if they have an abortion.

It seems to me that Trump supporters are at war with reality.

They can't accept the fact that their racist, xenophobic pig of a nominee doesn't appeal to other groups of people.

originally posted by: muse7
What has Donald Trump done to gain the support of Hispanics, African Americans, Muslims, Women and college educated people?

He has insulted them, called immigrants rapists and drug dealers, wants to ban Muslims from entering and says women should be punished if they have an abortion.

It seems to me that Trump supporters are at war with reality.

They can't accept the fact that their racist, xenophobic pig of a nominee doesn't appeal to other groups of people.

Nah, they're just underestimating the size of those demographics. For example, I don't think it's sunk in w/them that Latino/Latina Americans, African Americans, and Muslim Americans make up almost 1/3 of the American population.

"Trump said some things" is still the going rate for criticisms of Trump. Even when what he says is misrepresented, misconstrued and quote-mined out of their context to make him seem evil, they pale in comparison to the crimes and scandals of the Clintons.

An impeached former president, impeached of perjury and obstruction of Justice, will be back in the White House again, and no one bats an eye. Their saving grace among their supporters? No one cares about the corruption, so long as the Clintons don't talk like Trump.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
"Trump said some things" is still the going rate for criticisms of Trump. Even when what he says is misrepresented, misconstrued and quote-mined out of their context to make him seem evil, they pale in comparison to the crimes and scandals of the Clintons.

An impeached former president, impeached of perjury and obstruction of Justice, will be back in the White House again, and no one bats an eye. Their saving grace among their supporters? No one cares about the corruption, so long as the Clintons don't talk like Trump.

Impeachment itself isn't a crime. Impeachment is just the process of being accused, like a trial. Bill Clinton's impeachment trial lasted a whopping 5 weeks and he was acquitted by the Senate.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
"Trump said some things" is still the going rate for criticisms of Trump. Even when what he says is misrepresented, misconstrued and quote-mined out of their context to make him seem evil, they pale in comparison to the crimes and scandals of the Clintons.

An impeached former president, impeached of perjury and obstruction of Justice, will be back in the White House again, and no one bats an eye. Their saving grace among their supporters? No one cares about the corruption, so long as the Clintons don't talk like Trump.

When you're running for president of the U.S, what you say has consequences. Romney lost the last election because of his "47℅" comment. I'm sorry that Trump's demagoguery doesn't appeal to minorities.

a reply to: muse7

Don't apologize. You can watch any of Trump's rallies to see minorities supporting him.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Impeachment itself isn't a crime. Impeachment is just the process of being accused, like a trial. Bill Clinton's impeachment trial lasted a whopping 5 weeks and he was acquitted by the Senate.

Not many presidents have been impeached.

The Fix Is In

Trump put the fix in against women when he said that women that have abortions need to be punished.

www.realclearpolitics.com...

Even though he recanted, women don't trust him and without the ladies vote he doesn't stand a chance against Clinton and it's his own fault for running his mouth.

And now his own party is trying to distance themselves from Trump so they won't be drug down as well.

nymag.com...

Ironic that his anti pC stance will in the end be his undoing.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Voting for Hillary because Trump said things is where we are as a society.

Feelings get hurt, and that is now a valid reason to vote against someone.

Hell, they want to silence people for saying things they don't agree with, do you honestly see this as much of a stretch?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Impeachment itself isn't a crime. Impeachment is just the process of being accused, like a trial. Bill Clinton's impeachment trial lasted a whopping 5 weeks and he was acquitted by the Senate.

Not many presidents have been impeached.

Not many Presidents have had to face a Congress that both shut down the government against them and held the nation hostage over an affair, either. Plus, Bill won't be President if/when Hillary wins, so what's the problem?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Voting for Hillary because Trump said things is where we are as a society.

Feelings get hurt, and that is now a valid reason to vote against someone.

Hell, they want to silence people for saying things they don't agree with, do you honestly see this as much of a stretch?

So voters shouldn't listen to what Trump says? Or should they give him the benefit of the doubt because most of the time he doesn't really mean what he says? Wouldn't that make him a liar?

You should be glad that voters are going by what he says, because if they sat down and looked at his non-existent policies, Clinton would make the LBJ - Goldwater election look close by comparison.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Of course what someone says are valid reasons to vote for or against someone. Isn't that the whole point in campaign speeches, campaign promises, party platforms, proposals for new laws and policies, etc?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Mein Kampf was just "words" also.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Voting for Hillary because Trump said things is where we are as a society.

It's not that he says things. It's that the things he says reveal who he is and how he feels and thinks. That's what people don't like. It's not hurt feelings, it's observations of the man's character that causes people to vote for SOMEONE ELSE in order to keep him out.

Hell, they want to silence people for saying things they don't agree with,

Who wants to what now?