Afghan father sells 6-yo daughter into marriage for a goat, bag of rice

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
What you find I that religious people of all faiths try to get away with all types of disgusting stuff in poor, unstable undeveloped countries with poor education. In developed nations where there is better education and freedom of information and speech people realise a lot of the stuff in the bible Koran, torah etc is just morally unacceptable.

No. That is not what I asked.

Religion is not on trial here.

Is child marriage unacceptable?

a reply to: ketsuko
I don't understand have younot read the story In the OP?
And i think my view on it was clear, but just in case its lost in translation, no child marriage is not ok.

a reply to: ketsuko

Do you have to ask that?

It's not uncommon in many cultures to accept a dowry, promise the future marriage of children (India has the parents arrange marriage).

I don't think it is proper to judge other cultures practices, this incident of selling a child is seemingly not a common practice and if it was just a promise to wed arrangement and not the handing over the actual child at 6 yo it is not a problem for us to judge.

a reply to: ketsuko
And to be honest a lot of cmments on here did seem to be putting Islam on trail.

a reply to: WilsonWilson

I did. However, you have written entire screeds about how awful all kinds of different religions are.

It took you this long to actually express that you think child marriage is wrong. In other words, it offended you more in the OP that the man was Muslim than that he sold his 6-year-old into marriage. That says something about you. Maybe you should stop and think about that.

a reply to: MuffenstuffI don't understand why you had to ask if child marriage is acceptable. I'm baffled.

a reply to: ketsuko
What that I think its blatantly obvious child marriage is wrong? Why would anybody need to state that?

a reply to: WilsonWilson

I didn't, that was Ketsuko

I'm a normal person, most normal people accept its wrong, I think that you had to ask means you should look at what that says about you.

a reply to: Muffenstuff
Ah sorry.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: MuffenstuffI don't understand why you had to ask if child marriage is acceptable. I'm baffled.

Maybe you weren't paying attention, but you should be baffled why you are accusing me of saying something I clearly didn't.

ETA: Honest mistake, apology accepted.

a reply to: WilsonWilson

no problem then.

I actually asked the same as I was equally baffled.

a reply to: Muffenstuff
Glad it wasn't just me, I took it as read

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
what is it that we 'don't get'

That this story appears as simply an anecdotal account of what children suffer there. If you've got the time, do us a thread on how bad it is for little boys.

should we intervene ?

Why do you bait me? Don't make me go all ATS on ya!! Hear?

a reply to: ketsuko

FYI the ages old practice of the Hindus having the parents arrange marriages has a high rate of success as most Hindus marry and stay married, happily.

Also it is not universally enforced and plenty of Hindus choose their own spouses.

I say this because you said that this practice of selling children into wedlock is common in Hinduism, or something along those lines (my ignorese is a little rusty).

I have had discussions about this with the many Hindus who work in my neighborhood as successful contributing members of society, and in contrast I say if I could be arranged to be wed to a good woman and not have a series of unsuccessful relationships I would do it in a minute.

If you love the person who cares how you met?

a reply to: gps777

Could you please point me to the source of your belief that virgins in heaven is a Zoroastrian teaching as you say? Or Djinn?

I have read most of the sacred scripture of the Parsees/Zoroastrians and have never come across this teaching once.

And by sources I mean actual Zoroastrian/Parsee sources.

Devas or devs or druj's are the evil spirits of Zoroastrianism and don't resemble the djinn as djinn are good, evil or both. Nothing in Zoroastrianism resembles them as it's a dualistic faith of good vs evil with no spirits that do both.

Yazatas are the angels of Zoroastrianism and are good. Devs are bad. No djinn equivalent exists.

And all this will always be as long as women are held in subjugation by laws designed by men and religion. And we are sacrificing our troops in that place to continue that way of life. Didn't they say "nation building".

a reply to: MOMof3
The sad fact is not only do troops die there but usually the countries are left much more hardline afterwards.

originally posted by: Muffenstuff
FYI the ages old practice of the Hindus having the parents arrange marriages has a high rate of success as most Hindus marry and stay married, happily.

Oh, for Heaven's sake, there is no evidence that arranging someone's marriage is remotely beneficial. The fact that there is a low divorce rate in Hindu families is probably down to societal and community pressures on women to conform, than the fact the a marriage based on duty and not love is better.

This is why forced marriage is illegal in the UK and that includes coercing women into "arranged" marriages.

It's all down to abuse of women's rights, whatever way you cut it.

a reply to: paraphi