Afghan father sells 6-yo daughter into marriage for a goat, bag of rice

a reply to: Snarl

I concur,

breeding girls for food and boys for martyres. Great way to get some standing in the community.

Kind regards,

Bally

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom

Some dude in the bible married someone ged 3

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Different times but I can't get my head around it.
discover-the-truth.com...

I`m calling your source bogus.

Early-teen marriage was possible in Judaism. According to the Talmud, a father is commanded not to marry his daughter to anyone until she grows up and says "I want this one".[74] A marriage that takes place without the consent of the girl is not an effective legal marriage.[75]

Despite the young threshold for marriage, a large age gap between the spouses was opposed,[76] and, in particular, marrying one's young daughter to an old man was declared as reprehensible as forcing her into prostitution.[77]

A ketannah (literally meaning "little [one]") was any girl between the age of 3 years and that of 12 years plus one day;[78] she was subject to her father's authority and he could arrange a marriage for her without her agreement.[78] However, after reaching the age of maturity, she would have to agree to the marriage to be considered as married. If the father was dead or missing, the brothers of the ketannah, collectively, had the right to arrange a marriage for her, as had her mother.[78] In these situations, a ketannah would always have the right to annul her marriage even if it was the first

en.wikipedia.org...

This is what your source is linking to and to be saying she was three. which is a complete distortion.

forty years old: For when Abraham came from Mount Moriah, he was informed that Rebecca had been born. Isaac was then thirty-seven years old, for at that time Sarah died, and from the time that Isaac was born until the “Binding” [of Isaac], when Sarah died, were thirty-seven years, for she was ninety years old when Isaac was born, and one hundred and twenty-seven when she died, as it is stated (above 23:1): “The life of Sarah was [a hundred and twenty seven years.”] This makes Isaac thirty-seven years old, and at that time, Rebecca was born. He waited for her until she would be fit for marital relations-three years-and then married her. — [From Gen. Rabbah 57:1;
www.chabad.org...=true

How could Isaac marry her at 3 years, because when Isaac was born she was already 9, he waited three years until she was fit to be married, not married a 3 year old sheez.

Abraham lived 4100 years ago and 3800 years ago and still they were decent moral people, the same cannot be said for Mohamad and his Islam from 1400 years till this day, which they still follow Mohamad as the perfect moral conduct example.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
Don't mormans in the states marry and rape children?

Yes and it is just as repulsive. But :

a) MormOns are an offshoot of christianity and most christians also find their behaviour repulsive. They also don't marry 5 year olds. There are actual laws against this and mormons who are caught, are going to jail. Rightly so.

b) Why are you mentioning mormOns at all? Are you saying because some [weird] christians are doing something [vaguely similar] means we shouldn't worry about the case in hand? Those cases in islamic cultures are far more frequent and part of the whole religion as their main man was a paedo. Unlike jesus, whose aim was to enlighten poeple and to live peacefully together. [And I'm saying that as an Atheist].

a reply to: Hecate666


From a Christian to an Athiest, well said Hecate666.


The only thing I would change in your post from my belief of course, is that Jesus was God in the flesh and came to give the only way to the Father and theway to save us, by us believing in his sacrifice for all man kind, because He loved us first.

Islam is a complete mess and perversion of the OT and New Testament with splashes of Zoroastrianism (Gins and virgins in paradise) with his own egotistical thoughts thrown in, what else would an illiterate desert dweller and camel trader believe. He couldn`t succeed peacefully, its why Mohamad said he is made victorious with terror. 1400 years of this rot.

a reply to: WilsonWilson

Bill Wyman?

a reply to: Hecate666
I'm bringing it up because there seemed to be comments on here suggesting the practice is accepted by all Muslims. It isn't.
That it only happens in backwards muslim countries, it doesn't.
And that child marriage is in all the holy books.
Never mind that Christianity is not that enlightened as it liked to marry women off to their rapists.
And wasn't Mary meant to be about 13 when God got her pregnant?

a reply to: gps777
The God in the Christian bible liked his terror too murdered loads of babies in Egypt didn't he?

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport
Think it was Jerry lee Lewis?

And people seem to be missing the point that this was stopped by the Afghan police.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Snarl
I think stories like this pass over lots of people like water on a duck's ass.

What people don't get is that this kind'a s# happens every day all over the place in the M.E. It is by no means unusual.

Which really sucks for those that live in the middle east ..... what is it that we 'don't get'...should we intervene ?

No. No culture is better or worse than another. Don't you see the inherent beauty in this? If you don't, then you just full of Western white imperialist superiority and you might just be an evil Christian, too. What's wrong with you? You should start to feel some guilt for not understanding that this is a perfectly valid lifestyle choice and no better or worse than your own choices ... and the age of consent is really low in some places ...

/moral relativist

Edit to add: I see I didn't need to pretend. The poster above me has ably taken care of the moral relativist stance all on his or her own!

I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy. Christian aren't evil but seem to do a good job of ignoring those of their own faith who like to burn witches and homosexuals.
Muslims Jews and Christians all have pretty disgusting stuff in their Holy Books.

I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy. Christian aren't evil but seem to do a good job of ignoring those of their own faith who like to burn witches and homosexuals.
Muslims Jews and Christians all have pretty disgusting stuff in their Holy Books.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy. Christian aren't evil but seem to do a good job of ignoring those of their own faith who like to burn witches and homosexuals.
Muslims Jews and Christians all have pretty disgusting stuff in their Holy Books.

No we don't. Even if we weren't inclined to remember those parts of our history. People like yourself like to bring them up as if there are still burnt stakes on every street corner.

a reply to: ketsuko
Its not history, still happening in Africa.

a reply to: WilsonWilson

So this makes what this father did in Afghanistan perfectly OK then because it still happens to others in Africa? Of course not.

Guess what? It still happens to Hindi girls too.

So, are you arguing that because this father sold his daughter to an old man for a goat, that because Christians burned people alive at the stake, which was, I believe, your original argument made to me, that this makes what this man did OK?

a reply to: ketsuko
What are you talking about? So if you point out to somebody that their own religion, Is as bad as the one they are slagging off, you are then saying the terrible stuff they do is ok?
I don't even understand the logic of your argument.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: ketsuko
What are you talking about? So if you point out to somebody that their own religion, Is as bad as the one they are slagging off, you are then saying the terrible stuff they do is ok?
I don't even understand the logic of your argument.

No, I am pointing out that you are setting up a strawman. Instead of arguing the issue of the thread - whether or not it is wrong for a father to sell his 6-year-old daughter for a goat and other sundries - you are setting up a strawman in how horrible Christianity is so that you can knock it down and make yourself feel morally superior all while avoiding the original topic.

Is child marriage acceptable?

What you find I that religious people of all faiths try to get away with all types of disgusting stuff in poor, unstable undeveloped countries with poor education. In developed nations where there is better education and freedom of information and speech people realise a lot of the stuff in the bible Koran, torah etc is just morally unacceptable.

While it is repulsive to sell your children, in Afghanistan or anywhere, this goes on in America too. Not for a bag of rice but children are sold in to pedo-slavery every day in American. You just don't hear about it.

In general I find Islam to be a great faith, the Qur'an an excellent book of faith and no better or worse than the Tanakh, New Testament or any Hindu scriptures.

Someone mentioned Zoroastrianism had influence on Islam but it had more influence on Judaism and Christianity before Islam even existed so whoever made that comment is not noticing the plank in the eyes of the Jewish and Christian faiths for the splinter in the eye of Islam.

Zoroastrianism is an awesome religion btw and SHOULD be borrowed from.

It was the culture and scientific achievements of the Arabs and Muslims that made jealous European Christianity invade Jerusalem in the first place.

I would not be surprised if it was the case (jealousy) that makes the average Christian view the Muslim as inferior and Islam as evil.

It certainly is not a case of truth, justice OR the American way.

a reply to: ketsuko
The point of the thread was not talk about if child marriage was acceptable, the story was about how the people and police worked to prevent it from happening.