Did Fallen Angels slept with the grandchildren of Adam & Eve?

originally posted by: ElGoobero

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: ElGoobero

JudeoChristianity put an end to infanticide and human sacrifice. Not many homocidal jealous mountain gods would give such instructions as 'love your neighbor', 'love your enemies' or 'as much as possible with you live at peace with your neighbor'.

They sanitized the mountain god jehovah...but he still needed a blood sacrifice, jesus...

When I get raptured

Maybe you should brush up on your biblical reading comprehension skills. Firstly, "rapture" isn't even a biblical word.

And....

Matthew 24:29-31King James Version (KJV) 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

The "rapture" is post tribulation, not prior to it.

So if you think you'll escape unscathed, maybe think again.

I'm glad I am a pantheist that believes 2000+ year old books that were written by people (who ruin everything they touch) from stories passed down, then translated, retranslated, translated again and cherry picked by kings, and retranslated again.... Aren't accurate enough, and don't hold enough weight, to have me base my entire life on it. Guess I dodged a bullet there..... Phew.

a reply to: daryllyn

NONSENSE.

Being "snatched up" is clearly in Thessalonians.

GREEK: "Harpazo" IIRC.


Sounds like your Biblical reading/research skills are the ones lacking.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: daryllyn

NONSENSE.

Being "snatched up" is clearly in Thessalonians.

GREEK: "Harpazo" IIRC.


Sounds like your Biblical reading/research skills are the ones lacking.

I was more referencing the when, not the what.

It still doesn't say that the rapture precedes the tribulation.

And the word rapture still isn't in the bible.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: daryllyn

NONSENSE.

Being "snatched up" is clearly in Thessalonians.

GREEK: "Harpazo" IIRC.


Sounds like your Biblical reading/research skills are the ones lacking.

WHY on God's green earth....do you listen to PAUL over Jesus?? He warned you of false prophets and "wolves in sheep's clothing"...He even said, "Beware the leaven of the Pharisee's", which Paul proudly boasted he was lock, stock, and barrel, of. Yet, you choose to believe Saul's words over your "Saviors". Wow.

originally posted by: daryllyn

originally posted by: ElGoobero

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: ElGoobero

JudeoChristianity put an end to infanticide and human sacrifice. Not many homocidal jealous mountain gods would give such instructions as 'love your neighbor', 'love your enemies' or 'as much as possible with you live at peace with your neighbor'.

They sanitized the mountain god jehovah...but he still needed a blood sacrifice, jesus...

When I get raptured

Maybe you should brush up on your biblical reading comprehension skills. Firstly, "rapture" isn't even a biblical word.

And....

Matthew 24:29-31King James Version (KJV) 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

The "rapture" is post tribulation, not prior to it.

So if you think you'll escape unscathed, maybe think again.

I'm glad I am a pantheist that believes 2000+ year old books that were written by people (who ruin everything they touch) from stories passed down, then translated, retranslated, translated again and cherry picked by kings, and retranslated again.... Aren't accurate enough, and don't hold enough weight, to have me base my entire life on it. Guess I dodged a bullet there..... Phew.

Right on. I think the ONLY reason I put so much weight in any of that book, was because something REALLY GOOD showed itself to me. I was drawn to only certain parts of the Bible for a very long time. Yet, when pastors would start their preaching, I'd feel guilty for second guessing them...all the dang time. It's actually comical now to me, cause I traded what I KNEW in my gut, for their BS. I traded it for indoctrination. Uhg. So glad I'm not there anymore and I feel free to think for myself.

a reply to: ElGoobero

peace, love, joy, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, hospitals, Mother Theresa, public education (Old Deluder Satan Act),untold individual acts of love. Win.

You should do some research on Mother Theresa. She wrestled with her "faith" very much. She questioned the "god" she was supposed to be serving, very much.
Oh, and "peace, love, joy" happens to all people...not just Christians. Homeless shelters and hospitals have nothing to do with Jesus. There are many who serve in those places who don't even profess Jesus...yet, they help out or want to help others.
Public education...are you freaking kidding me?? I've known some good ones and some bad ones in that whole mess. Some of the bad one's WERE Christians. Come to think of it...I've done "Christian based schools" and there were "Christians" in those places who were such judgmental jerks, I couldn't get away from them fast enough.
What? You think only Christians have the market cornered on how to love? You need to get out of your church building and out in the actual world more.

a reply to: cooperton

Here's the conundrum: Putting humans in a perfect realm, while also giving them free will. If the human chooses imperfection, then the entire perfect creation decays and cannot return to perfection until a Redeemer comes to atone for the curse (Jesus).

There is the point. THat is why Lord God had to take Man (Adam) and put him in a garden which Lord God had creaded so that he could currupt man. Lord God currupted man (Adam and Eve) by the help of a Serpent and the two trees.

Man already lived in a Perfect world (inviorment) on Earth, through Gods creation on Earth. There was no need for a garden of eden. Gods creation was already good.

To currupt man who was given dominion over all of Gods creation on earth. Lord God had to put man in a non Perfect invorment which Lord God had created himself. Lord God created the staging area to corrupt man. To lead man astray. And then he sendt them back to Earth. And on Earth Adam and Eve had children. And Lord God gave a helping hand to make Kaine sin.

originally posted by: wickd_waze
a reply to: BO XIAN

Navajo skin walkers are required to put a curse or hex to die on someone they love most. No faking. It will usually be one of their kids, sibling, parents or other close relative or friend. One of the the test usually done to be a medicine man (same power just used differently for blessings, prayers or removal of hex) is to sleep on a grave unbeknownst to them and to see if he has nightmares or not. If not he's good to go to continue their " training ".

a reply to: ancienthistorian

The implication of the story is that God or who or what ever was responsible for the creation of humanity did not want these angelic beings messing with his petri dish.

To many upgrades for his liking?

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: ElGoobero

peace, love, joy, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, hospitals, Mother Theresa, public education (Old Deluder Satan Act),untold individual acts of love. Win.

You should do some research on Mother Theresa. She wrestled with her "faith" very much. She questioned the "god" she was supposed to be serving, very much.
Oh, and "peace, love, joy" happens to all people...not just Christians. Homeless shelters and hospitals have nothing to do with Jesus. There are many who serve in those places who don't even profess Jesus...yet, they help out or want to help others.
Public education...are you freaking kidding me?? I've known some good ones and some bad ones in that whole mess. Some of the bad one's WERE Christians. Come to think of it...I've done "Christian based schools" and there were "Christians" in those places who were such judgmental jerks, I couldn't get away from them fast enough.
What? You think only Christians have the market cornered on how to love? You need to get out of your church building and out in the actual world more.

1) I'm not surprised MT wrestled with her faith. Every Christian I've known has.
2) People help others for many reasons. I'm not saying Christianity has a monopoly on compassion, but it's undoubtedly a motivator.
3) I'm sure there are some 'judgmental jerks' in some Christian schools. I've met some in public schools also. Did you research the 'Old Deluder Satan' act? There's a reason I mentioned that.
4) Like charity, people love for many different reasons. Christianity is a great motivator. I think I've spent my share of time in the 'actual world' and it makes me appreciate my faith and my brothers and sisters all that much more.

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: cooperton

"putting humans in a perfect realm"

...that sounds just like Pauline doctrine. Jesus said "the Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN you".

Yes of course its within, but when Christ Consciousness is revealed the Kingdom of Heaven will also be your surroundings:

"Don't you know that which made the inside also made the outside? Clean the Inside of the cup and the outside will become clean." Matthew 23:26

He also forgave sin BEFORE His "atoning" death....which, by the way, didn't change much after His death. We are still living in a predatory world. The "curse" as you say...is still on this planet, apparently.

Yes but he left us with an open door to paradise (Revelation 3:8). It is not until the second coming when evil will be eradicated and no longer allowed to exist.

Jesus also said there WERE righteous ones already...BEFORE His death. He even accused the Pharisee's of this...making monuments to the prophets, yet it was their father's who were the one's who killed the prophets. He said a LOT of things that suggest that the "god" the priests served (which would be Yahweh) was NOT the true God. Jesus did quote the prophets (some parts) and He did teach the law (but He pointed to the 10 commandments) and said they could all be summed up in "Love your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength...and your neighbor as yourself". He completely turned upside down, all of Yahweh's "clean and unclean", sacrifice this and sacrifice that to be accepted. Jesus, BEFORE He was ever crucified....touched those who were unclean, reached out to those who were considered "sinners", broke the Sabbath of Yahweh...basically He did everything antithesis to Yahweh's law.

You're asking good questions and I still wonder about this today. He explicitly said he came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. The Old Covenant was constantly being broken by the human participants, so it was constantly being amended with more specific laws - without the perfect atonement of Jesus', there were inevitable consequences for all the perpetrators of the Law. We must trust that God's discipline is Just - a Good Father disciplines his child. But, when I get hung up on the OT i usually take that as a cue to go focus on the New Covenant, because that is 100% applicable to our lives today and where we find Life.

It all comes down to TRUTH. Jesus had it. I think they left a WHOLE bunch of what He taught out of the Bible...sanitized, redacted it, put some stuff in there to make Him not who He really was. Still, you CAN figure it out if you have the SPIRIT of TRUTH in you. That would be the Holy Spirit...and it's feminine, not masculine.

I agree. Have you delved into the Gospel of Thomas, or any of the other scriptures found in Nag Hammadi?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ancienthistorian

The implication of the story is that God or who or what ever was responsible for the creation of humanity did not want these angelic beings messing with his petri dish.

To many upgrades for his liking?

upgrades? They were immortal until they disobeyed the command.

A father commands his child not to touch the stove. The child, curious about the glowing light emanating from the stove, touches it and burns his hand - The child ignorantly exclaims: "Ouch dad, why did you burn my hand?"

a reply to: cooperton

"upgrades? They were immortal until they disobeyed the command."

Go back and reread my post, obviously im refereeing to the angelic beings upgrading Man.

Upgrading our DNA by way of producing a Human/angelic being by breeding with our female humans which apparently produce Nephilim.

And also apparently teaching Man the process of metallurgy, astronomy, chemistry, astrology and/or what ever else they cared to enlighten us towards.

If you look at what they attempted to do the implication is that they wished us only good things, after all you dont teach you enemy the technological marvels of the universe. Which brings us to the point of the flood which seems rather malevolent to both races if you ask me, especially humanity in general.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

Go back and reread my post, obviously im refereeing to the angelic beings upgrading Man.

Upgrading our DNA by way of producing a Human/angelic being by breeding with our female humans which apparently produce Nephilim.

And also apparently teaching Man the process of metallurgy, astronomy, chemistry, astrology and/or what ever else they cared to enlighten us towards.

If you look at what they attempted to do the implication is that they wished us only good things, after all you dont teach you enemy the technological marvels of the universe. Which brings us to the point of the flood which seems rather malevolent to both races if you ask me, especially humanity in general.

en.wikipedia.org...

oops I misread your initial post. But still, who has better judgement and foreknowledge - a human thousands of years after an event, or an omniscient God? How can we critique something of which we barely know the details? Perhaps the options were either a flood with select survivors or the complete decay of humanity.

a reply to: cooperton

Look at it this way God tosses us out of paradise for stealing fruit(knowledge) and bestows mortality on Man, then he also decides to flood the planet because these alleged beings apparently attempted to give us such knowledge and immortality back.

I ask you who is the malevolent bastard in that equation?

Have to say buddy the God of the old testament seems like a control freak to me, certainly in no way synonymous with the benevolent all forgiving entity described in the new testament.

Where do you stand on predestination vs freewill? Because i cant see how we can have both.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

Look at it this way God tosses us out of paradise for stealing fruit(knowledge) and bestoes mortality on Man, then he also decides to flood the planet because these alleged beings apparently attempted to give us such knowledge and immortality back.

I ask you who is the malevolent bastard in that equation?

Have to say buddy the God of the old testament seems like a control freak to me, certainly in no way synonymous with the benevolent person described in the new testament.

What separates the Jewish belief in the Tanakh from the Christian belief is summed up nicely by Maimonides.

To paraphrase, when one comes across something that seems disturbing you should be aware that it is just a story with a deeper meaning than what is literally said and should thus search for the deeper meaning and not take it literally.

The more disturbing the detail the more profound the esoteric meaning.

To put it bluntly the Jews laugh at the Christian who takes the stories of the Tanakh at face value because it is too strenuous on the simple Christian mind to have to think about what it really means.

Christianity and critical thinking are oil and water. The Jew knows that the myths are allegory but lets the less educated Christian believe it is literal, as it is not a Christian scripture and the Christian never knew how to interpret it so just takes the literal meaning as actually historical.

I suppose that is no excuse, just because you don't know how to interpret something doesn't make it logical to take it literally.

It actually makes no sense at all to think that the evil Yahweh is a merciful God. Or actually exists. But if the stories are just allegory then a thinking mature person can get past the disturbing passages and interpret it in a meaningful way.

Christians can't do it.

a reply to: daryllyn

They really do ruin everything they touch. I mean the European Christian specifically as in Palestine before the Crusades the 3 religions were very friendly.

As soon as whitey gets involved (I'm white myself and realize this) the rule of thumb is divide and conquer, plunder and pillage and bend the world to its will no matter how much they lie, cheat and steal it is always the other guys fault.

a reply to: Muffenstuff

IMHO all organised religions, abrahamic or otherwise, are nothing more than a collection of books, written by Man with all his fears and fallibility at play.

Sure there is a modicum of information and historical account in there somewhere, but the control constructs and self serving agenda far outweigh any advantages such religions bestow on there believers.

Truth is organised religious practice has retarded our ability to think freely and for ourselves throughout recorded history. Which is self evident by the nefarious acts and genocide perpetrated in the name of God.