9/11 and the Creation of an Orwellian State of Mind Worldwide

originally posted by: Informer1958

I agree some of these scientist who disagree with the official narratives have not done a proper Peer Review Report. However the authorities who are telling the official narratives have never done a Peer Reviewed Report that can prove their science or story true. Should we not question this? If so, this opens a door to conspiracies theories on both sides that are questioning, or defending the official narratives, wouldn't you agree?

Yeap, you still don't understand peer review. Reports regarding physical evidence of a crime are peer reviewed in the scene of being published in journals? No.

Peer review would be used if a forensic scientist had a theory about a new way to process DNA that could not be tested before. As in smaller samples. Or samples that would normally be masked by chemicals. Not for using established procedure to process a crime sceen

The lost 2 trillion has been debunked over and over again. Another example of conspiracists taking things out of context to rope in the gullible for pushing a false narrative.

Look at www.metabunk.org...

a reply to: neutronflux

There were weapon of mass destruction.

From www.nytimes.com...
"In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act."

I disagree.

CIA's final Report: No WMD Found In Iraq.

WASHINGTON — In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.
“As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible.”

In 92 pages posted online Monday evening, Duelfer provides a final look at an investigation that occupied over 1,000 military and civilian translators, weapons specialists and other experts at its peak. His latest addenda conclude a roughly 1,500-page report released last fall.

www.nbcnews.com...

There is plenty more to read in the above source.

Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq: Bush’s “big lie” and the crisis of American imperialism

More than two months after the US occupation of Baghdad, and three months after the onset of the American invasion, the Bush administration has been unable to produce any evidence that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

It is increasingly obvious that the entire basis on which the White House and the American media “sold” the war was a lie.
In the months leading up to the war, Bush warned repeatedly that unless the United States invaded Iraq and “disarmed Saddam Hussein,” the Iraqi leader would supply terrorists with chemical, biological and even nuclear weapons to use against the American people. He cited this allegedly imminent threat as the reason for rejecting international law and unleashing the US war machine against a half-starved, impoverished country that has been under economic blockade for more than a decade.

That these claims have proven to be lies hardly comes as a surprise. Even before the conquest of Iraq, the US charges were widely rejected around the world.

No government in Europe or the Middle East regarded Iraq as a serious military threat. The UN weapons inspectors had been unable to locate any WMD after months of highly intrusive inspections. Tens of millions of people—the supposed targets of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction—marched in the streets of cities on every continent to denounce the US decision to launch an unprovoked war of aggression.

www.wsws.org...

This is why I disagree with you.

a reply to: Informer1958

CIA's final Report: No WMD Found In Iraq.

I thought all the alphabet agencies were supposed to tow the party line ?
So you are saying that they do tell the truth ?
I guess that means 19 hijackers flew planes into buildings and the fire brought them down.

a reply to: Informer1958

Glad you referenced articles from 2003 and 2005 and not the www.nytimes.com... article from 2014.

" From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule."

Information from a request to the government in 2013. www.nytimes.com...

Just another examples of using outdated articles from 2003 and 2005 to push a narrative out of context.

a reply to: neutronflux

Yeap, you still don't understand peer review. Reports regarding physical evidence of a crime are peer reviewed in the scene of being published in journals? No.

Perhaps you do not understand, my IQ is way above 70. Yes, I understand how Peer Review Reports work.

What physical evidence are you talking about? From my own research on 911, very little evidence was collected, and little to no investigation was done about the 911 events, My proof is the 911 Commission Report.

The fact is, when the 911 Commissionaires were investigating all the different time lines and the different events that unfolded on 911, two of the Commissionaires admitted publicly that they were stonewalled in their investigation and the other fact is one Commissionaire resigned claiming publicly that the whole 911 Commission was set up to fail from the beginning, and it was a National disgrace.

Am I correct so far?

a reply to: Informer1958

Another false narrative. Just in remains, 18,000 body parts recovered as evidence. Like to restate. It's been discussed that WTC debris was segregate and thoroughly searched for personal effects, remains, and evidence. 54,000 personal effects recovered. amhistory.si.edu...

Jet parts recovered. sites.google.com... From above "1,401 people identified include 45 of those aboard the hijacked planes - 33 from Flight 11, which struck the north tower, and 12 from Flight 175, which hit the south tower. Source". For persons ID'ed.

For you Pentagon people, personal account of witness seeing jet hit the Pentagon.
amhistory.si.edu...

a reply to: neutronflux

U.S. Intelligence Documents on Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq[

American troops secretly reported finding more than 4,990 chemical munitions, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials and to heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. OCT. 14, 2014

www.nytimes.com...

I believe you were hoping I wouldn't read your source?

Where is the documents in your source that backs up your opinion?

The document you presented in your source provides no information to the public concerning WMD am I correct?

The FOIA was denied, and is classified under Title 522 US B 6.

I looked over many of these documents and yes there are some reference to WMD being found, however the documents do not prove your claim.

Why? Because all the credibility concerning this information is not present for the public view, it is Top Secrete.

I don't think it matters what year the document was released, there is nothing for the American people to see.

Question: How does this document prove your claim that WMD was found?

Is it because it is Top Secrete?

a reply to: neutronflux

Another false narrative. Just in remains, 18,000 body parts recovered as evidence. Like to restate. It's been discussed that WTC debris was segregate and thoroughly searched for personal effects, remains, and evidence. 54,000 personal effects recovered.

amhistory.si.edu...



Again your source says nothing to back up your opinions. Perhaps you could find a better source?

Jet parts recovered. sites.google.com... From above "1,401 people identified include 45 of those aboard the hijacked planes - 33 from Flight 11, which struck the north tower, and 12 from Flight 175, which hit the south tower. Source". For persons ID'ed.

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Your source?

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a reply to: Informer1958

It's been cited to you over and over again on may different threads. Why do you act like this is the first time seeing the statistics. Get off the conspiracy sites and do some real research. Some old arguments over and over again, and you act like it's the first time everytime.

a reply to: neutronflux

For you Pentagon people, personal account of witness seeing jet hit the Pentagon.

amhistory.si.edu...

Donating to the Collection

Soon after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History began collecting objects to document and preserve the material record of this important event in American history. The immediate collecting priorities focused on the attacks, the response and rescue efforts, and the commemoration that followed.

The assembled collection may expand somewhat over time. The National Museum of American History would be pleased to consider donations of additional material. While we have been offered many objects related to the attacks and to the numerous responses from around the world, we cannot accept everything. If we do not accept an artifact, we might be able to direct the offer to another institution: we are working with a consortium of museums to document and preserve a selection of objects and responses.

amhistory.si.edu...

Because people mailed some parts of debris from the 911 attacks, how does that prove that airplane parts are from said airplanes? There was no investigation done in the alleged four plane crashes. Nothing.

F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage

Aidan Monaghan
03/18/08

Contained within a March 14, 2008 "DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR ENLARGEMENT OF TIME TO RESPOND TO AMENDED COMPLAINT" with the Nevada District U.S. Court, concerning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by Mr. Aidan Monaghan (Case #: 2:07-cv-01614-RCJ-GWF) to order the production of Federal Bureau of Investigation records concerning the 4 aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick A. Rose has indicated on behalf of the FBI, that records indicating the collection and positive identification of recovered wreckage created by these federally registered aircraft, do not exist.

Defendants motion reads in part:

"Since being served with the Summons and Amended Complaint, Federal Defendant, with assistance of its attorneys, has analyzed Plaintiff's request and conducted a search for responsive records. Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated "revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant . . . as belonging to said aircraft . . . (Amend Compl. Inj. Relief #15 at 1.)"

pilotsfor911truth.org...

a reply to: Informer1958

Whole article on WTC statistics.
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Have fun cheers

a reply to: Informer1958

If you can handle it, Google

Office Of Chief Medical Examiner
World Trade Center Operational Statistics

originally posted by: Informer1958

Because people mailed some parts of debris from the 911 attacks, how does that prove that airplane parts are from said airplanes? There was no investigation done in the alleged four plane crashes. Nothing.

Funny. Care to explain how jones got his WTC dust samples for his false peer review thermite paper never refereed by a journal editor?

Something about samples in the mail??????

a reply to: neutronflux

21 awful truths about 9/11
The details that got buried in the Twin Towers' rubble

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Interesting article, however it does not addressing any of the questions I am asking.

The fact is the article you gave as your source, is written to be very emotional and lacks any credible sources to substantiate the writer's opinions.

Another fact is this is a very bias article and only concentrates on the official narratives. No where in this article does it address 911 questions that our government refuses to answer. The important questions.

originally posted by: Informer1958

There was no investigation done in the alleged four plane crashes. Nothing.

Another false narrative. For starters, one of the most witnessed and recorded terrorists attacks. The jets were tracked the entire time by radar. DNA samples collected for passengers to verify bodies from events. Jet parts are extensively tracked in accordance of the FAA. Never seen anything that stated the wrong part serial numbers for the flights were found. FAA requirements are very strick to facilitate tracking of part failures.

originally posted by: Informer1958


Another fact is this is a very bias article and only concentrates on the official narratives. No where in this article does it address 911 questions that our government refuses to answer. The important questions.

So you say the article is not reliable. Prove it and cite sources that the statistics were false.

Hey forthelove: unfortunately, by the time I got to read your thread, you'd already been banned. I find your write up of the 9/11 events very interesting and pointing out valid and pertinent facts, for sure. However, your linking it to the "creation of an Orwellian state of mind," is somewhat lacking, imho.

You see, many of us reach a certain "waking up" point, where we think, mistakenly, I believe, that this was the moment that events turned the world into something other than what we'd all thought it was all these years. When, in fact, the more you go down the "rabbit hole," as it were, the more you realize, it's likely ALWAYS been just that way. You were just clueless to it till then. At least, this is my perspective on it, for what that's worth.

The reason that's important, is once you realize that, you begin to view all those taken for granted "facts" you always thought were real, may not really have been, once the filter you view them from has changed....your perspective on all of it changes, thereafter.....

Nice write up on salient points about 9/11, tho....
Take care.
tetra50

a reply to: neutronflux

Funny. Care to explain how jones got his WTC dust samples for his false peer review thermite paper never refereed by a journal editor?

Something about samples in the mail??????

Ouch! I didn't bring up Jones paper in this topic.

Question: How does this document prove your claim that WMD was found?

Is it because it is Top Secrete?

Funny you demand that I answer all your questions, however you refuse to answer mine, why is that?

It's been cited to you over and over again on may different threads. Why do you act like this is the first time seeing the statistics. Get off the conspiracy sites and do some real research. Some old arguments over and over again, and you act like it's the first time everytime.

That is untrue.

I am not convinced the official narratives are true, because you have failed to give me and other members credible evidence
to substantiate your opinions.

I am not interested in opinions when it come to proving the events of 911, I want hard facts with credible sources, and credible evidence.

You demonstrate your questioning and answering in dire support of the official narratives, and anything outside of that is all nonsense.

I am done for the night.