Scotland the cowardly...

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Lol, sorry to the OP for going off topic but seeing ForteanOrg just made me chuckle as I remembered he said Wales wouldn't vote to leave the EU in previous threads.
Told ya so lol x

*Edit*
Correction, Fortean made out like the minor rumblings of discontent were anything worth listening to from the EU newspapers he clearly reads.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ForteanOrg

Lol, sorry to the OP for going off topic but seeing ForteanOrg just made me chuckle as I remembered he said Wales wouldn't vote to leave the EU in previous threads.
Told ya so lol x

Actually, I said that the UK would not vote to leave the EU. Even the Brits were surprised they did

I think the Brits have gotten themselves in a fine mess. The EU still has 27 members, and Scotland might well become our 28th.

So, imagine this: the UK leaves, the Scots go for independence, then join the EU and adapt to the Euro! Sure, mate, we lost.. before the Brexit: nobody on your islands used the Euro. After it: half of your island does.

Sure. We lost

a reply to: ForteanOrg

8% or so, no worries.
We'll be okay, even without your beloved Scotland.
I couldn't give a toss if they leave the UK, won't affect my life in any tangible way.

*Edit*
8% Hahahaha!

originally posted by: samerulesapply
Scotland the cowardly are at it again.

Marching through Glasgow city centre whinging about independence.

They have EU flags! How confused can people be?

Even funnier, the march was organised by an "activist group" named 'all under one banner' - the irony!

We are all under one banner, it's called a union jack - can someone please take these numpties aside and define independence for them, please?

A nation of cowards....Scotland is like the whiny little brother, any time there's a problem the bigger brother steps in and lends a hand...but when big brother isn't doing so well, Scotland wants to wave 'cheerio' and run away.

Here's what it really is...Scotland no longer needs the UK because someone, somehwere - has decided that if we leave the UK, the EU will prop us up instead when things go pete tong.

I'm ashamed of my nation, brave my arse.

A nation of cowards?

We've already voted NO in the UK referendum. You sound like that psychopathic idiot Nicola, thinking we'll get that referendum again.

You're talking about a minority. Stop painting everybody with the same brush.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ForteanOrg

8% or so, no worries.
We'll be okay, even without your beloved Scotland.
I couldn't give a toss if they leave the UK, won't affect my life in any tangible way.

*Edit*
8% Hahahaha!

If they are only 8%, why bother in the first place asking their opinon, just rule them like Westminster always did! But wait - London wants to remain too. Oh, well it, has just 14 percent of the population, guess it wouldn't bother you much if they left the Union either, ay?

Funny thing: everybody is in favour of self-determination, but only within the limits of nations. If London were a nation, they'd be in the EU. If your young were a nation, they'd be in the EU. Half of your population wants to be in the EU - and no doubt, their numbers will climb after your own government starts to foul up things and there is no EU to blame anymore. Dear man, with the same right you were pointing to that other half that wanted out, I now point to the half that wants to remain. What happened to THEIR rights?

You can't get out, actually. Too many ties, to many rich man that have connections. Too many of your population that want to remain. Probably you will end up like poor Norway: pay up, trade with us on our conditions, no rights, no influence. Hey, but they're independent - yay!

a reply to: ForteanOrg

UK wide vote, Leave was the majority, unlucky.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ForteanOrg

UK wide vote, Leave was the majority, unlucky.

Didn't you do a thread prior to the referendum about how unfair it would be on England if the UK vote was to stay because of Scottish votes?

a reply to: ScepticScot

Yep, because of all the talk of tactical voting solely to get yet another Scottish independence referendum.
And yep, I almost wish you'd voted out of the UK now, I knew at the time the nationalists would never accept the will of the people.

It's a democracy with free speech. Of course pro Independence supporters should be able to march and protest. This is exercising a democratic right, not being cowardly.

Equally, pro Remain campaigners have a right to carry on marching and protesting and the same for the far right or pro Sharia or whatever. Not being allowed to march or protest sounds an awful lot like North Korea or Nazi Germany.

a reply to: grainofsand

So you wont be bothered if say trident gets parked doon the road fae yer house ?
in the nearest naval dock?

cus let me tell ye I live in Glasgow and Faslane isnae that far away and I dont feel comfortable with that aging piece of #e sitting there just waiting to fail

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: ScepticScot

Regulations regarding fishing.

They protested recently by sailing along the Thames in favour of Brexit - bob geldof and his privileged pals showed up and literally stuch their fingers up at them

entire villages and towns in Scotland relied on the fishing industry for hundreds of years.

Apparently, if you're a Scottish patriot, that doesn't matter.

that's loyalty for you!

Fishing is in decline because of over fishing for decades. The problem wasn't over regulation it was lack of regulation until it was too late.

BS! Fish was never in decline in my area and I live in the largest white fishing port in Europe, in a quaint north east Scottish town. Call bias if you like but it's fact. What I witnessed was sheer travesty. They generalized the 'over-fishing' status internationally and it effected waters that were sustainable, including ours. We relied greatly on the income made from fishing and that albeit remains high, took a MASSIVE hit when the EU regulatory body decided to chop up dozens of brand new multi-million £ vessels to 'save fishing stocks' while AT THE SAME TIME OPEN UP OUR WATERS TO OTHER COUNTRIES WITHIN THE EU. It was barbaric and a slap in the face.

If you want to save our waters then stop dropping your garbage in the ocean as that accounts for billions of lost sea life, not fishing!

a reply to: angryhulk

You can claim bs if you want but overfishing has been a known issue in the north sea long before we joined the EU.

The idea that we could continue with industrial scale fishing, free of serious regulation, with no detrimental affect on fish stocks is wishful thinking that rates right up there with climate change denial.

a reply to: sapien82

Nope, I wouldn't give a toss if it was in Plymouth, that's not too far from me. Everyone I know in Devonport would be happy for the extra employment from support services etc.
It's been discussed by government but there is a problem with the need for the deep water port thing.
I wouldn't share your fear though, not at all.

*Edit*
Oh, and why the Scottish slang? I assume you are capable of typing in English, you know, real words.

a reply to: grainofsand

I somehow doubt the people of plymouth would be pleased at all , and I can assure you if it was moved from Scotland all hell would break loose people would lose their minds over it
can you imagine it being parked up the thames if the depth allowed it,

slang words are as real as any other word in the world , I was typing that way as I was on my phone and in a rush doing something , its quicker and easier for me to type the way I speak

a reply to: sapien82

What do you know about Plymouth?
Ever lived there? Got any mates there?
I can answer yes to both.

So yes, my anecdotal experiences tell me the folk of Devonport most definitely wouldn't be whinging like you Scots, doubt it all you like.
I hear the conversations every time the possibility is mentioned when Sturgeon is whinging on English TV.

Personally I wouldn't give a toss if they were berthed at my local marina...same as I wouldn't give a toss if Scotland left the UK.

a reply to: grainofsand



I've travelled through it , have a couple friends there , never stayed there

but despite my lack of knowledge on the inner workings of society in Plymouth I think people would rather not have a nuclear warhead in their city/town id be very impressed if you could find one person on earth who was actually happy to have it rather than not!
never mind because Plymouth cant house it as its not safe for Plymouth according to the MOD as the 166,000 people would die if there was an accident but its ok to let the 5,500 odd people near faslane die and anyone else killed by fallout in Scotland!

Oh and imagine my outrage that I don't want a nuclear warhead near my home or anywhere else in the united kingdom for that matter, who am I to complain, I mean its completely outrageous that I should even utter a word of complaint about it.

but according to you its whining that anytime someone exercises their democratic right to protest about government projects/military projects!

I'll remember your position on this matter the next time you pipe up about something you are against morally
and we shall disregard it as whinging shall we?

On a side note , nice of you to dismiss an entire nations cultural language/dialects / colloquialisms as "not real" just goes to show your real position on what you think of Scotland as a nation of its own , nothing but a joke!

Also when do you get your medal from the mayor as the voice of Plymouth ?

a reply to: sapien82

Hurry up and leave the UK then ...i'll happily ignore your part of the island...and your incessant whinging.

originally posted by: samerulesapply
Scotland the cowardly are at it again.

Marching through Glasgow city centre whinging about independence.

They have EU flags! How confused can people be?

Even funnier, the march was organised by an "activist group" named 'all under one banner' - the irony!

We are all under one banner, it's called a union jack - can someone please take these numpties aside and define independence for them, please?

A nation of cowards....Scotland is like the whiny little brother, any time there's a problem the bigger brother steps in and lends a hand...but when big brother isn't doing so well, Scotland wants to wave 'cheerio' and run away.

Here's what it really is...Scotland no longer needs the UK because someone, somehwere - has decided that if we leave the UK, the EU will prop us up instead when things go pete tong.

I'm ashamed of my nation, brave my arse.

If we leave one union then we should leave all unions.

originally posted by: awareness10
England, Scotland and Wales never really did get on too well..

What did you expect?

England never quite wanted a union. It only happened because a Scottish king took over from Elizabeth 1 and thought it would be a good idea to have a union.

The Scottish are in their full right to dissolve their union with England.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: samerulesapply
In case it wasn't so clear from the OP - I AM Scottish.

Wow ... I can't believe I have to be the one who opens your eyes.

You ... are a British Subject.

Was. You are a British Citizen now according to the British Nationality Act 1981.